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Re: Celticsblog Fantasy Roster Review
« Reply #360 on: August 13, 2008, 10:34:10 PM »

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C: Andrey Blatche
PF: Andrei Kirelenko
SF: Shawn Marion
SG: Rodney Stuckey
PG: Raymond Felton

Bench:
PG: Sebastian Telfair
SG/SF : JR Smith
PF: Charlie Villanueva
PF/C : Glen "Big Baby" Davis

I don't think my team gets enough credit for being what it is, which is Nellie ball with defense. I would fully expect this team to win 44-47 games a year and make it to, at least, the second round of the playoffs on a fairly consistent basis. Do I expect it to be a dynasty, no.

I'm realistic, as soon as I botched the first couple trades I tried to make a team that would be competitive and fun as all get out to watch.

Oh, and I got two picks left in the rounds that matter.

your team is logically flawed

Problem: Nellie ball doesn't play defense.

What happens when teams with front lines like Okafor/Kaman, or Oden/Scola come to town? They're going to run over your frontline. Thats fine as long as you don't miss, but otherwise you'd have tot hink there is a good chance you'll be out rebounded and really exposed in the paint

EDIT: There are positives to your team too. Im one of the few that thinks Raymond Felton can be a starting pg in this league. There is no question Stuckey is a year at most away from being a quality starter on most NBA teams, and Marion and AK47 are both extremely versatile. The problem as I see it though is that they've both had the most success when someone else is making the real action happen, so they can let the game come to them. I don't see a 'driver' on your team.
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Re: Celticsblog Fantasy Roster Review
« Reply #361 on: August 13, 2008, 10:38:53 PM »

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C: Andrey Blatche
PF: Andrei Kirelenko
SF: Shawn Marion
SG: Rodney Stuckey
PG: Raymond Felton

Bench:
PG: Sebastian Telfair
SG/SF : JR Smith
PF: Charlie Villanueva
PF/C : Glen "Big Baby" Davis

I don't think my team gets enough credit for being what it is, which is Nellie ball with defense. I would fully expect this team to win 44-47 games a year and make it to, at least, the second round of the playoffs on a fairly consistent basis. Do I expect it to be a dynasty, no.

I'm realistic, as soon as I botched the first couple trades I tried to make a team that would be competitive and fun as all get out to watch.

Oh, and I got two picks left in the rounds that matter.

I think you made a decent recovery after those initial trades.

I love Stuckey, but pairing him with Felton makes for a seriously undersized backcourt. Blatche will also be overmatched at the center position.

I'd switch Marion and AK47, only because Marion is less out of position at the PF spot.

It's definitely a Nellieball lineup in that you have no true center or prototypical PF (actually, everyone is small or undersized for their position), but your starting 5 doesn't shoot the 3 all that well. And I don't follow your comment about defense: outside of Kirilenko, and maybe Marion, you've got turnstiles.

In your late round picks, I'd look to pick up some muscle.
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Re: Celticsblog Fantasy Roster Review
« Reply #362 on: August 14, 2008, 12:55:15 AM »

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I think the previous posts raise valid concerns about my team, and I will respond to them later when I have a little more time. But I want to ask one question,

Rodney Stuckey is 6'5", when did that become "undersized" for a two guard?

Dwade: 6'4"
Kobe:6'6"
Ray: 6'5"
Vince: 6'6"

Re: Celticsblog Fantasy Roster Review
« Reply #363 on: August 14, 2008, 08:19:56 AM »

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Then on the bench you've got shaun livingston who by all accounts isn't even ready to go for a full practice yet, and he isn't even close.

I've been 100 percent cleared for contact, and it's a blessing for me," Livingston said. "I feel my body's probably at about 75 percent. I still need to get my strength, explosion and quickness back.

Where Are you getting your information from?  Cause trust me ive done the research and think he is gonna be a force for us at the sf position in the future as well as this year. 
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Re: Celticsblog Fantasy Roster Review
« Reply #364 on: August 14, 2008, 08:39:48 AM »

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Then on the bench you've got shaun livingston who by all accounts isn't even ready to go for a full practice yet, and he isn't even close.

I've been 100 percent cleared for contact, and it's a blessing for me," Livingston said. "I feel my body's probably at about 75 percent. I still need to get my strength, explosion and quickness back.

Where Are you getting your information from?  Cause trust me ive done the research and think he is gonna be a force for us at the sf position in the future as well as this year. 

at the what position?

Re: Celticsblog Fantasy Roster Review
« Reply #365 on: August 14, 2008, 08:45:11 AM »

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SF son.  Hes 6-7 and we got augustin.  We are converting him to the sf.  I think with his quickness and size he will be able to be successful.  Also, I expect his ball handling skills and court awareness to take some of the pressure off a rookie point guard off the bench. 

"The Globe mentions the possibility of eventually converting Shaun to the small forward position, as he has the (vertical) size to at least survive, if his leg comes back most of the way. The biggest thing holding Livingston back when he could play, and likely to hold him back in the future, is his lack of jumper. Luckily, that's a learnable skill, and Livingston becoming the NBA's Rick Ankiel isn't out of the question."
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Re: Celticsblog Fantasy Roster Review
« Reply #366 on: August 14, 2008, 08:47:42 AM »

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SF son.  Hes 6-7 and we got augustin.  We are converting him to the sf.  I think with his quickness and size he will be able to be successful.  Also, I expect his ball handling skills and court awareness to take some of the pressure off a rookie point guard off the bench. 

"The Globe mentions the possibility of eventually converting Shaun to the small forward position, as he has the (vertical) size to at least survive, if his leg comes back most of the way. The biggest thing holding Livingston back when he could play, and likely to hold him back in the future, is his lack of jumper. Luckily, that's a learnable skill, and Livingston becoming the NBA's Rick Ankiel isn't out of the question."

you're going to play a point guard who just had a near career-ending injury at the small forward position?

the globe may say that, but i don't see anyone taking that risk in the future. not a team, not livingstone.

Re: Celticsblog Fantasy Roster Review
« Reply #367 on: August 14, 2008, 08:49:28 AM »

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He is 6'7.  and an excellent defender.

And 100% cleared for contact.  He may not play at the SF but the point is that he can guard them and play on the floor with augustin who is only 5'11 and not sacrifice too much
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Re: Celticsblog Fantasy Roster Review
« Reply #368 on: August 14, 2008, 08:55:17 AM »

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I think the previous posts raise valid concerns about my team, and I will respond to them later when I have a little more time. But I want to ask one question,

Rodney Stuckey is 6'5", when did that become "undersized" for a two guard?

Dwade: 6'4"
Kobe:6'6"
Ray: 6'5"
Vince: 6'6"

I stand corrected. I could have sworn he was closer to 6'2".
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Re: Celticsblog Fantasy Roster Review
« Reply #369 on: August 14, 2008, 08:57:40 AM »

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I think the previous posts raise valid concerns about my team, and I will respond to them later when I have a little more time. But I want to ask one question,

Rodney Stuckey is 6'5", when did that become "undersized" for a two guard?

Dwade: 6'4"
Kobe:6'6"
Ray: 6'5"
Vince: 6'6"

I stand corrected. I could have sworn he was closer to 6'2".

At the draft measurements he was 6'2 almost 6'3 bare foot..6'4 and a half in shoes. 

Re: Celticsblog Fantasy Roster Review
« Reply #370 on: August 14, 2008, 09:02:23 AM »

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I think the previous posts raise valid concerns about my team, and I will respond to them later when I have a little more time. But I want to ask one question,

Rodney Stuckey is 6'5", when did that become "undersized" for a two guard?

Dwade: 6'4"
Kobe:6'6"
Ray: 6'5"
Vince: 6'6"

I stand corrected. I could have sworn he was closer to 6'2".

At the draft measurements he was 6'2 almost 6'3 bare foot..6'4 and a half in shoes. 

I like Stuckey but I'm not as high on him as people on these boards tend to be. I'm not sure he's a starter in this league yet, He shot 40% from the field and 19% from 3-point line last season.

Re: Celticsblog Fantasy Roster Review
« Reply #371 on: August 14, 2008, 09:05:10 AM »

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I think the previous posts raise valid concerns about my team, and I will respond to them later when I have a little more time. But I want to ask one question,

Rodney Stuckey is 6'5", when did that become "undersized" for a two guard?

Dwade: 6'4"
Kobe:6'6"
Ray: 6'5"
Vince: 6'6"

I stand corrected. I could have sworn he was closer to 6'2".

At the draft measurements he was 6'2 almost 6'3 bare foot..6'4 and a half in shoes. 

I like Stuckey but I'm not as high on him as people on these boards tend to be. I'm not sure he's a starter in this league yet, He shot 40% from the field and 19% from 3-point line last season.


Thats funny because the way you make your team sound.  Every player would be a starter on every team in the NBA.  Your bench would probably have won in space jam. 
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Re: Celticsblog Fantasy Roster Review
« Reply #372 on: August 14, 2008, 09:15:23 AM »

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SF son.  Hes 6-7 and we got augustin.  We are converting him to the sf.  I think with his quickness and size he will be able to be successful.  Also, I expect his ball handling skills and court awareness to take some of the pressure off a rookie point guard off the bench. 

"The Globe mentions the possibility of eventually converting Shaun to the small forward position, as he has the (vertical) size to at least survive, if his leg comes back most of the way. The biggest thing holding Livingston back when he could play, and likely to hold him back in the future, is his lack of jumper. Luckily, that's a learnable skill, and Livingston becoming the NBA's Rick Ankiel isn't out of the question."
A big part of Livingstons value is that he is a large point gaurd. He would get killed at the sf position, he is about as skinny if not skinnier than Tayshaun Prince except Tayshaun is wiry strong, Livingston not so much.
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Re: Celticsblog Fantasy Roster Review
« Reply #373 on: August 14, 2008, 09:24:25 AM »

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Yea, Livingston at SF would get dominated.  He is not built to play SF, plus that position is much tougher on the body than PG, if he's at SF I'd expect another injury.

Re: Celticsblog Fantasy Roster Review
« Reply #374 on: August 14, 2008, 09:30:13 AM »

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C: Andrey Blatche
PF: Andrei Kirelenko
SF: Shawn Marion
SG: Rodney Stuckey
PG: Raymond Felton

Bench:
PG: Sebastian Telfair
SG/SF : JR Smith
PF: Charlie Villanueva
PF/C : Glen "Big Baby" Davis

I don't think my team gets enough credit for being what it is, which is Nellie ball with defense. I would fully expect this team to win 44-47 games a year and make it to, at least, the second round of the playoffs on a fairly consistent basis. Do I expect it to be a dynasty, no.

I'm realistic, as soon as I botched the first couple trades I tried to make a team that would be competitive and fun as all get out to watch.

Oh, and I got two picks left in the rounds that matter.

your team is logically flawed

Problem: Nellie ball doesn't play defense.

What happens when teams with front lines like Okafor/Kaman, or Oden/Scola come to town? They're going to run over your frontline. Thats fine as long as you don't miss, but otherwise you'd have tot hink there is a good chance you'll be out rebounded and really exposed in the paint

EDIT: There are positives to your team too. Im one of the few that thinks Raymond Felton can be a starting pg in this league. There is no question Stuckey is a year at most away from being a quality starter on most NBA teams, and Marion and AK47 are both extremely versatile. The problem as I see it though is that they've both had the most success when someone else is making the real action happen, so they can let the game come to them. I don't see a 'driver' on your team.
To answer your question about what happens when they play teams with front lines of Okafor/Kaman? (I'm not that scared of Oden/Scola) He is going to attempt to turn the game into a track meet. You think Kaman and Okafor can keep up with Marion/AK47/Blatche on the break? not a chance. You pressure the ball on defense and make it hard for them to get the ball inside to the bigs. He has no one to handle Dwight Howard but then again, who does?
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