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Validation Requires Repeat
« on: August 06, 2008, 12:28:05 PM »

Offline reardenmetal

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  The Celtics Must Repeat. As odd as it sounds, for the winner of the NBA 2008 crown to be considered true champions, they must validate this years win with a repeat in '09, minimum. As unfair as it may seem, this compilation of great players, given all they have achieved, won't be remembered as a great team historically (not by NBA standards at least), unless they follow up their fine accomplishment with the minimum of at least one repeat. To achieve the now common benchmark status of dynasty, and to avoid the designation of the '71 Bucks, the '75 Warriors,and the '78 Bullets, this squad will need to get the attention of history a second time.
   Unlike the modern-day NFL, with its strict salary cap and broad parity, championship teams are not expected to maintain year-to-year dominance, and the few that have been able to are truely elite squads (Go Pats!). Conversely, the NBA is not a league condusive to broad parity, which explains the ability of stronger organizations to regularly maintain a long-term championship structure and continue a title run for a number of years, i.e the Spurs, Bulls, and Lakers. For the last quarter century (that's 25 years for you Laker Fans), only two squads has failed (at least to this point) to follow-up their championship year with a validation title within four seasons of winning said title--the 2006 Miami Heat and the 2004 Detroit Pistons, and they at least were able to return to the championship the following year, only to lose to the returning champions from '03, the San Antonio Spurs.
   This squad as compiled has an excellent opportunity to be one of the historical elite teams, a squad that could truely stand shoulder-to-shoulder with the Boston Celtics of the seventies and eighties. But they must strike while the iron is hot. Our veteran core is older, and the heft of their respective contracts do not lend to the idea that the Big 3 will remain as such past 2010. The rest of the league reacted to Celts '08 dominance by making significant upgrades to their own rosters, and that is to be expected. And while there is something to be said for not messing with a good thing, or winning with the horse you road in on, or one of the many colloquial sayings that justify not making any drastic changes, to which I generally agree, also I know I'm not the only one that's a little perplexed with the direction of the off-season, at least up to this point. This team won,yes, but the post season revealed some significant vulnerabilities that our opponents next year will be better prepared to exploit. And with the loses of Posey and PJ Brown, it would be difficult to argue that this year's team as it stands today is better that the team that captured the crown. In order to stand as champions again, it's vital that we make the needed adjustments now, or the great '08 will end up just a blip on the NBA's dynasty radar.
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Re: Validation Requires Repeat
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2008, 12:29:46 PM »

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The title the Celtics won is the title. 


They do not need to validate anything.  There were the best team that year. 



Re: Validation Requires Repeat
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2008, 12:29:57 PM »

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they can't pull a miami heat, thats for sure. championship one year, first round exit the second, 2nd overall pick the 3rd.

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Re: Validation Requires Repeat
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2008, 12:33:04 PM »

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they can't pull a miami heat, thats for sure. championship one year, first round exit the second, 2nd overall pick the 3rd.

This is just the point I'm attempting to make

Re: Validation Requires Repeat
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2008, 12:34:30 PM »

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they can't pull a miami heat, thats for sure. championship one year, first round exit the second, 2nd overall pick the 3rd.


You do not want that to happen.


But that doesn't tarnish the title Miami won. 

Re: Validation Requires Repeat
« Reply #5 on: August 06, 2008, 12:37:19 PM »

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they can't pull a miami heat, thats for sure. championship one year, first round exit the second, 2nd overall pick the 3rd.


You do not want that to happen.


But that doesn't tarnish the title Miami won. 

But when you put it into context of what the typical NBA champion normally accomplishes, it does

Re: Validation Requires Repeat
« Reply #6 on: August 06, 2008, 12:38:23 PM »

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I guess ownership should postpone raising the 2008 banner until after next season, because apparently if they don't win it in 2009, 2008 never happened.   ::)

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« Reply #7 on: August 06, 2008, 12:39:48 PM »

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The title the Celtics won is the title. 


They do not need to validate anything.  There were the best team that year. 




  We didn't just win the title, we had one of the best seasons in the history of the league. The heat certainly can't make that claim.

Re: Validation Requires Repeat
« Reply #8 on: August 06, 2008, 12:41:53 PM »

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I guess ownership should postpone raising the 2008 banner until after next season, because apparently if they don't win it in 2009, 2008 never happened.   ::)

I'm right there with ya, CW35.  Not buying this one.  This accomplished everything imaginable this season.  The 2008 Boston Celtics are and always will be champions.

I hope they win in 2009 because as a fan of the team, it's nice to see the Celts do well.  But nothing they do this season will affect '08 in my book.

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« Reply #9 on: August 06, 2008, 12:43:52 PM »

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Even the Houston Rockets were able to repeat

Re: Validation Requires Repeat
« Reply #10 on: August 06, 2008, 12:45:43 PM »

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They don't need to repeat this year.
Are you saying that if they lose in the Conference finals, and then win in 2010 that this Celtic team will not be legit?

Look at what the Red Sox did from 2004-2008? There's no semblance of a salary cap in baseball and there's no way you count them as "invalid"

Now to be historically elite, they can't be one and done. But that does not invalidate banner 17 and the fact that in the 2007-2008 season, we were better than every other team in the NBA (especially the Kobe Bryant (led?) Lakers.

I'm sick of the "it took them 7 games to beat the Cavs/Hawks so they weren't that good" threads. In six games (three road, three home), the Pistons only won two against the Celts. In six games (three road, three home), the Lakers only won two against the Celts.

The Celtics were the best team in basketball last year and they are the team to beat in 2008-2009

Personally, I'm not worried, some teams might have a tendency to "lie on their laurels." That's one of the reasons it's difficult to repeat in a lot of sports. But I don't see a Kevin Garnett team doing that. I actually see the "We've been here before and won" syndrome coming into effect. Game 6 in Detroit was when the Celts discovered they could overcome the 5 against 8 road playoff NBA rules and now they know what they have to do.  The monkey is off their back. I smell dynasty.
 

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« Reply #11 on: August 06, 2008, 12:49:26 PM »

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I'm not saying they didn't win the title, what I'm saying in order to avoid the designation of the '71 Bucks, the '75 Warriors, , the '78 Bullets, this squad will need to get the attention of history a second time.

Re: Validation Requires Repeat
« Reply #12 on: August 06, 2008, 12:52:40 PM »

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They don't need to repeat this year.
Are you saying that if they lose in the Conference finals, and then win in 2010 that this Celtic team will not be legit?



No, they don't have to repeat in the strict since of the word. But they due have to win in within a very small window of opportunity.

Re: Validation Requires Repeat
« Reply #13 on: August 06, 2008, 12:55:00 PM »

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I'm not saying they didn't win the title, what I'm saying in order to avoid the designation of the '71 Bucks, the '75 Warriors, , the '78 Bullets, this squad will need to get the attention of history a second time.

I think setting a league record by having a 42-win turn around in one season and winning the title cemented their place in history quite nicely.

Re: Validation Requires Repeat
« Reply #14 on: August 06, 2008, 12:58:05 PM »

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If the 2009 Celtics end up being a disappointment, that will say something about the 2009 Celtics, not the 2008 Celtics.  2008 is over, nothing can add to or subtract from what that team did.  The 2007 Miami heat were a big disappointment, but that doesn't detract from their 2006 title.

I think the point of this thread is that in order for a team to be considered a dynasty, they have to win a few championships within a few years of each other.  No doubt, that's a truism, and we all hope this group ends up as a dynasty.  If they don't, it still doesn't take away from the 2008 team, which was one of the great teams in the history of the league.  The 1967 Sixers were one of the all time great teams, but can't be called a dynasty.
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