Maggette says he could be willing to take pay cut to come to Boston

[Evantime34]

My opinion is that we will wait for Mag to decide what he wants to do, then if he didn't sign with us give Posey the full. The only problem is that if Maggette doesn't sign with us Posey might be gone by that time.

I think Posey could be replaced by a guy like Matt Barnes. Posey is good but his value has been overblown due to his cult status in Boston. It's not like he's the only guy in the league who can defend and hit 3's.

Posey's defense was very good throughout the season but it was enhanced by the scheme and defense of his teammates. Who's to say that a good vet with a strong desire to win can't improve his defense the way PP and Allen  did.

[earl]

Fitting into the system or not (defensively and offensively) is 100% mental IMO. As long as Maggette is willing to accept a role and put team first, there would be no problem.

He brings different things than Posey, but I have to agree with Roy, for the same money I can't see how he's not an overall upgrade:

- C's play team defense. If Maggette is smart and puts enough effort in, he can be effective and even above average (consider Ray Allen this year, never known as even a solid defender). I have no doubt he has the capability to be just as effective as Posey in this regard, but of course I concede it is still a question of whether he would.
- Rebounding.
- Slashing. This is huge. The C's are primarily a jump shooting team. There have been games throughout the season that have been _maddening_ simply because we'd fall in love with the 3 point shot. Even our big ticket is mainly an 18ft shooter. Maggette could bring a relentless attack the basket mentality that could make this team of shooters very hard to beat.

I guess you do have to consider injuries, but it is probably less of an issue as a role player vs. a starter.

[timepiece33]

Maggette wouldn't be as effective a defender as Posey, but who cares .... he brings more offensively and should atleast fit within the team scheme. 

The question is what is the likelihood he is going to sign here for a discount to be a backup for the next two years?

Some act as if it is 75 to 80% or even 50-50.   I just don't see it as nearly that high.

[Evantime34]

Fitting into the system or not (defensively and offensively) is 100% mental IMO. As long as Maggette is willing to accept a role and put team first, there would be no problem.

I agree with pretty much everything you said except what I quoted right here. Fitting into a system is not 100% mental. A slow lumbering center doesn't fit into Golden States system. Just like a slight fast center doesn't fit into Utah's system. A slasher doesn't really fit into Jim O'brien's system he wants three point shooters.

Other than that small point what you said was completely correct and I could not agree more.

[Evantime34]

Maggette wouldn't be as effective a defender as Posey, but who cares .... he brings more offensively and should atleast fit within the team scheme. 

The question is what is the likelihood he is going to sign here for a discount to be a backup for the next two years?

Some act as if it is 75 to 80% or even 50-50.   I just don't see it as nearly that high.

You could look at it as signing here to play backup or as signing here to win a championship

[timepiece33]

Maggette wouldn't be as effective a defender as Posey, but who cares .... he brings more offensively and should atleast fit within the team scheme. 

The question is what is the likelihood he is going to sign here for a discount to be a backup for the next two years?

Some act as if it is 75 to 80% or even 50-50.   I just don't see it as nearly that high.

You could look at it as signing here to play backup or as signing here to win a championship

I could objectively compare us to San Antonio and wonder why he would consider any place other than that for the MLE.

1. He'd be a starter
2. Lower cost of living and better tax structure
3. They've won more championships lately
4. He'd be going against competition he is already familiar with

If it becomes about money, Golden State seems viable.

[libermaniac]

I think the only scenario in which I see Maggette choosing the Celtics is if he just wants a Posey-like deal from last year, e.g. 1 year deal with player options for 1 or 2 more years just for security. 

With that one year deal, he being hoping:

a) The Celtics win another title, or go very deep in the playoffs (which is more likely in Boston than SA due to competition in conference, and the fact that the Celtics are better)
b) he gets a better payday next year. 

Frankly, if I were Maggette, I wouldn't be happy the a 4-5 year deal at the MLE.  I'd want a richer payday next year.

[JBcat]

I'd love to be a fly in the wall among the Celtics brass to hear the internal debate as there are so many variables to consider.  Is Maggette's 3 point shooting last year which was good (38.4% Posey was at 38%) a fluke or will he resort back to being a bad 3 point shooter?  We all saw how when Posey and House were on hitting the 3 how it really spread the floor for our second unit.  On the other hand we really had only 3 guys that were consistently attacking the basket.  Paul of course, Tony Allen but because of his other deficiances and not total confidence in his knee never got consistent minutes, and Rondo.   It would be nice to have another player like that who will do that consistently.   Corey shot an average of 9.7 foul shots a game.   Getting other teams best players in foul trouble is such a big key as they start to play a little more tentative.   It wasn't just Atlanta last year where we had problems with teams with very athletics wings.   We had the same issues with Charlotte, Philly, and Washington last year as well.   We could tell that was a priority with Ainge in the draft trying to find athletic wings.   As much as I love Posey and setting aside any emotional attachment Corey brings much more athleticism and is about 3 years younger.   I don't know about his defense but I have to imagine it will improve with shorter minutes, less of a dependancy to be the first or 2nd option on offense, and just being around guys like KG.  If Corey is willing to come here for the fill MLE we have to take it and wish Posey the best of luck.  There is also a chance that we end up with neither one of them.  Posey could bolt for a team like Houston willing to give him a 4 or 5 year.  Forget San Antonio Golden State and Philly could come out of left field and offer much more than the MLE for Corey.   As much  as he wants to win that could be too much to pass up in your prime as it's not an absolute guarantee for him he will get big contract from us or anyone else say 3 years from now when he is in his early 30s.  If he does the full MLE route my guess it will be like Posey's contract this past year where you have an option for the second year and can hit the free agent market again as soon as possible.  

[BballTim]

Maggette wouldn't be as effective a defender as Posey, but who cares .... he brings more offensively and should atleast fit within the team scheme. 

The question is what is the likelihood he is going to sign here for a discount to be a backup for the next two years?

Some act as if it is 75 to 80% or even 50-50.   I just don't see it as nearly that high.

You could look at it as signing here to play backup or as signing here to win a championship

I could objectively compare us to San Antonio and wonder why he would consider any place other than that for the MLE.

1. He'd be a starter
2. Lower cost of living and better tax structure
3. They've won more championships lately
4. He'd be going against competition he is already familiar with

If it becomes about money, Golden State seems viable.

  I don't think that cost of living and tax structure is that big of a deal. The tax difference is the difference between a 3 year $20M deal and a 3 year $19M deal. And the difference in cost of living is significant if you make $60k, not $6M. They don't even feel it.

  I'm not saying that Corey doesn't care about $1M, but I don't see it as being the determining factor when he chooses a team.

[earl]

Fitting into the system or not (defensively and offensively) is 100% mental IMO. As long as Maggette is willing to accept a role and put team first, there would be no problem.

I agree with pretty much everything you said except what I quoted right here. Fitting into a system is not 100% mental. A slow lumbering center doesn't fit into Golden States system. Just like a slight fast center doesn't fit into Utah's system. A slasher doesn't really fit into Jim O'brien's system he wants three point shooters.

Other than that small point what you said was completely correct and I could not agree more.

That's true, but not exactly what I meant. I agree that in general any player fitting into _any_ system is not always 100% mental, but I do believe that Maggette fitting into the C's system is 100% mental. He has the tools to do so.

If he can be coached by Tommy Thib. (is he coming back or what??), learns when/how to funnel guys into help, learns when to show or commit help himself, and in general commits to D, there's no reason this team D can't continue to run as the well oiled machine it was last year with Posey out and Maggette in, IMHO.

[timepiece33]

I don't think that cost of living and tax structure is that big of a deal. The tax difference is the difference between a 3 year $20M deal and a 3 year $19M deal. And the difference in cost of living is significant if you make $60k, not $6M. They don't even feel it.

With regards to state income, property taxes, short term capital gains considerations, and available tax subsidies as well as housing costs, I believe you are underestimating the overall cost differences.  Another consideration is he's given away nearly $2MM away already. It's additive.

It is probably not the biggest component. Maggette's minutes as a starter in a conference that he is used to would probably be bigger. 

[Cman]

Fitting into the system or not (defensively and offensively) is 100% mental IMO. As long as Maggette is willing to accept a role and put team first, there would be no problem.

He brings different things than Posey, but I have to agree with Roy, for the same money I can't see how he's not an overall upgrade:

- C's play team defense. If Maggette is smart and puts enough effort in, he can be effective and even above average (consider Ray Allen this year, never known as even a solid defender). I have no doubt he has the capability to be just as effective as Posey in this regard, but of course I concede it is still a question of whether he would.
- Rebounding.
- Slashing. This is huge. The C's are primarily a jump shooting team. There have been games throughout the season that have been _maddening_ simply because we'd fall in love with the 3 point shot. Even our big ticket is mainly an 18ft shooter. Maggette could bring a relentless attack the basket mentality that could make this team of shooters very hard to beat.

I guess you do have to consider injuries, but it is probably less of an issue as a role player vs. a starter.

... and he is a bit younger.

I wouldn't say CM is an "overall upgrade".  He brings different skills to the table, more overall athleticism and more upside.  He has never been asked to be a defensive stopper, but there is no reason that in the right system (ie: Boston's team defense system) that he can't bring good D.  I would love for the Cs to sign Maggette.

[BballTim]

I don't think that cost of living and tax structure is that big of a deal. The tax difference is the difference between a 3 year $20M deal and a 3 year $19M deal. And the difference in cost of living is significant if you make $60k, not $6M. They don't even feel it.

With regards to state income, property taxes, short term capital gains considerations, and available tax subsidies as well as housing costs, I believe you are underestimating the overall cost differences.  Another consideration is he's given away nearly $2MM away already. It's additive.

  Property taxes for San Antonio are a lot higher than they are in Boston. I can't imagine that he's that concerned about housing prices. It's not like he can't afford a house. And housing prices make up a large percentage of the cost of living. I don't think the price of groceries or electricity or car insurance are going to scare him away either. The amount of money between Boston and San Antonio is much less than what he lost by opting out, and it's far less than what he's giving up to sign for the MLE anyways.

[timepiece33]

Property taxes for San Antonio are a lot higher than they are in Boston. I can't imagine that he's that concerned about housing prices. It's not like he can't afford a house. And housing prices make up a large percentage of the cost of living. I don't think the price of groceries or electricity or car insurance are going to scare him away either. The amount of money between Boston and San Antonio is much less than what he lost by opting out, and it's far less than what he's giving up to sign for the MLE anyways.

Not according to tax foundation research.  Plus, you aren't even contemplating average home values in comparable areas.   

Of course, that assumes he will actually purchase a home in this environment considering he lives in Chicago.   He might not.

The argument isn't that he can afford it.  Of course, he can afford it. So what.

The question is when comparing two winning situations, what is the comparative advantage that Boston has over San Antonio?

1. He'll get more minutes in San Antonio
2. He'll be viewed as one of the stars of that team as opposed to a guy off the bench
3. His money goes further in San Antonio
4. He won't be changing conferences

Are there any relative advantages to going to Boston vs. San Antonio?  Please provide some rather than saying he can afford it.

[wdleehi]

Where does he get more exposure?  The outside endorsement possibilities could be the deciding factor.