don't resign manny thread

[furball]

There's gotta be something going on with Manny.  Some problem with hios family or something.  While manny's always been a nut job, he's never really been mean or agressive physically (that I remember at least).  First he blew up on Youk (maybe something needed to be said to Youk but it's odd for Manny to go that far) and now this.  I think eventually something else is going to come out.  Or maybe he's just roid raging.  You never know nowadays.    

He told Youk 'It's time to act like you've been in the majors awhile' or something along those lines...That's all on Youk for acting like a nutjob everytime he doesn't get on base. His reaction gets real old real fast.

I disagree with this. I don't understand what the problem is.  Maybe if I was in the dugout it would bother me but as a fan (or spectator I should say seeing I am a Yankees fan) I don't understand.  Paul O'Neil was one of my favorite players of all time.  One of the reason for that was his fire.  He used to fling his helmit down all the time on the way back to the dugout after getting throw out at first.  His gatorade bashing tantrums were the thing of legend. 

Now, as far as manny and Youk go.  As I said, maybe something needed to be said to Youk (reports are the whole team hates his actions) but going at him durring a game is a bit much. I'm a Manny fan and always defended him but Like I said, he's normally not violent, just out there.  which is why I think there is something more to it.  And hey, if the Sox are looking to deal, we'll give you Melky straight up. 

[Nerf MVP]

Assuming for a moment the Kobe parallel to be fair, look at how L.A handled  their situation.

They didn't make any hasty moves, took care of their problems in house, and made the finals. Trading Kobe to Mars or Pluto maybe would have "taught him a lesson", but there's more to life than putting people in their place. Things like a +.900 OPS.

That being said, this isn't the happy go lucky Manny persona he's been trying to put forth the last few years, and makes me wonder if he's been pulling stunts like this the entire time.

[Vermont Green]

If this story can be taken at face value, that Manny pushed the travelling secretary to the floor, then Manny should be suspended.  How much different is this than the incident in Houston?  I suspect (hope) that the story is not as simple as it seems so far.  Manny did apologize but come on.  If I pushed someone here at my job and they fell to the floor, I would probably get fired (even though I am the head of a division).  I think we are cutting him too much slack here because he is an athlete (assuming the story is the whole story).

Discussing trading Manny is moot because there would be no trade value.  Do you remember a few years back they put him on waivers and no one took him?

[crownsy]

There's gotta be something going on with Manny.  Some problem with hios family or something.  While manny's always been a nut job, he's never really been mean or agressive physically (that I remember at least).  First he blew up on Youk (maybe something needed to be said to Youk but it's odd for Manny to go that far) and now this.  I think eventually something else is going to come out.  Or maybe he's just roid raging.  You never know nowadays.    

He told Youk 'It's time to act like you've been in the majors awhile' or something along those lines...That's all on Youk for acting like a nutjob everytime he doesn't get on base. His reaction gets real old real fast.

I disagree with this. I don't understand what the problem is.  Maybe if I was in the dugout it would bother me but as a fan (or spectator I should say seeing I am a Yankees fan) I don't understand.  Paul O'Neil was one of my favorite players of all time.  One of the reason for that was his fire.  He used to fling his helmit down all the time on the way back to the dugout after getting throw out at first.  His gatorade bashing tantrums were the thing of legend. 

Now, as far as manny and Youk go.  As I said, maybe something needed to be said to Youk (reports are the whole team hates his actions) but going at him durring a game is a bit much. I'm a Manny fan and always defended him but Like I said, he's normally not violent, just out there.  which is why I think there is something more to it.  And hey, if the Sox are looking to deal, we'll give you Melky straight up. 

fire is one thing, acting like a four year old after any called third strike or pop out is another. can you imagine if pierce went stomping away swearing at everyone and everything and yelling at his shooting coach for 10 minutes after every missed shot?

thats not "competitive fire" thats a temper tantrum. I don't liek it when my 11 year old brother does it, and it's no more endearing from a athlete.

[nickagneta]

First off if the nameof the thread should probably be named "don't renew Manny thread". The Sox own two one year $20 million per year options on Manny. There's no resigning going on. If we want him he's ours by simply picking up the option.

Which they probably will because Manny, like ARod, are the only two $20 million per year players that have earned every penny of their contracts and who's return on the money has been worth it. Also, until the Sox have found another power bat to replace Manny, Manny is here to stay.

Also, I think because Manny is a 10/5 guy Manny can muck up any trade by simply saying that he will not agree to any trade unless the last two years of his option are picked up. Good luck trading $30 million in contract and trying to get anything even resembling fair trade value in return.

The Sox are handling this in the smartest fashion possible. After 8 years they are experts at handling Manny messes. This will all blow over and Manny will go on one of his 10 HRs in 3 weeks streaks and all will be forgotten. And we'll have Manny be Manny for 2 1/2 more years.

[Redz]

How can there even be an argument about the pros of Manny not outweighing the cons at this point?  Yes, his goofy, non-hustling, brainfarts etc...can be puzzling but he's been instrumental in bringing 2 World Series to Boston.  If you want to see the real value of Manny, look at the month JD Drew has had since moving into the 3rd slot with Big Papi out.

[Nerf MVP]

The Sox are handling this in the smartest fashion possible. After 8 years they are experts at handling Manny messes. This will all blow over and Manny will go on one of his 10 HRs in 3 weeks streaks and all will be forgotten. And we'll have Manny be Manny for 2 1/2 more years.

Amen. The bottom line is the production as always. That epitomizes Boston fans as I see it.

Keithe Foulke makes a seemingly innocuous comment while referring to a blue collar job, people respond " What a jerk, run him out of town!!". Manny assaults a teammate " It's the other guys fault!".

My advice to Manny to smooth things over PR wise. "Just do your job."

[KG5]

There's gotta be something going on with Manny.  Some problem with hios family or something.  While manny's always been a nut job, he's never really been mean or agressive physically (that I remember at least).  First he blew up on Youk (maybe something needed to be said to Youk but it's odd for Manny to go that far) and now this.  I think eventually something else is going to come out.  Or maybe he's just roid raging.  You never know nowadays.    

He told Youk 'It's time to act like you've been in the majors awhile' or something along those lines...That's all on Youk for acting like a nutjob everytime he doesn't get on base. His reaction gets real old real fast.

I disagree with this. I don't understand what the problem is.  Maybe if I was in the dugout it would bother me but as a fan (or spectator I should say seeing I am a Yankees fan) I don't understand.  Paul O'Neil was one of my favorite players of all time.  One of the reason for that was his fire.  He used to fling his helmit down all the time on the way back to the dugout after getting throw out at first.  His gatorade bashing tantrums were the thing of legend. 

Now, as far as manny and Youk go.  As I said, maybe something needed to be said to Youk (reports are the whole team hates his actions) but going at him durring a game is a bit much. I'm a Manny fan and always defended him but Like I said, he's normally not violent, just out there.  which is why I think there is something more to it.  And hey, if the Sox are looking to deal, we'll give you Melky straight up. 

my favorite player is bernie kosar

[crownsy]

The Sox are handling this in the smartest fashion possible. After 8 years they are experts at handling Manny messes. This will all blow over and Manny will go on one of his 10 HRs in 3 weeks streaks and all will be forgotten. And we'll have Manny be Manny for 2 1/2 more years.

Amen. The bottom line is the production as always. That epitomizes Boston fans as I see it.

Keithe Foulke makes a seemingly innocuous comment while referring to a blue collar job, people respond " What a jerk, run him out of town!!". Manny assaults a teammate " It's the other guys fault!".

My advice to Manny to smooth things over PR wise. "Just do your job."

kieth foulke being let go had nothing to do with that comment. it ahd everythign to do with bone on bone issues in his knees and that whole papelbon kid looking pretty good the year before when he got tossed into the closer role.

i liked keith, but he's never been the same since that knee injury.

[Rondo2287]

You gotta be crazy.....This is a guy who is probably the best right handed hitter of our generation and you wanna let him go?  This is a guy who since joining with David Ortiz has been the driving force of one of the best offenses in baseball over the last 4-5 years.  He has played a more than servicable outfield leading the league in outfield assists on more than one occasion, and has for the most part been a good citizen and teamate. He has screwed up a couple of times this year, but has apologized.  Im not saying what he did was right or excusable, but this team is not the same without him. 

Also lets consider its not like he has had any problems with the law, like bretty myers beating his wife a couple of years ago.  Steroid issues, or any other run ins. 

[Steve Weinman]

We're talking about the best leftfield cutoff man in the majors here.  Given the number of comparable players I can think of in the league along those lines (zero), how could it even be remotely possible to get anything near equal value for him?

And then there's this bit about his hitting that a couple of people have brought up here...

I'm no Sawx fan, but label me baffled by the "dump him" theorizing.

-sw

[jchamorro]

Dude should have come up with more than 16 tickets bottom line

[Roy Hobbs]

If this story can be taken at face value, that Manny pushed the travelling secretary to the floor, then Manny should be suspended.  How much different is this than the incident in Houston?  I suspect (hope) that the story is not as simple as it seems so far.  Manny did apologize but come on.  If I pushed someone here at my job and they fell to the floor, I would probably get fired (even though I am the head of a division).  I think we are cutting him too much slack here because he is an athlete (assuming the story is the whole story).

It's a little different because the traveling secretary isn't signing his pay checks.  I basically agree, though, that it's just way over the top behavior, and assuming this is as bad as it sounds, I definitely agree with a suspension.  An apology isn't enough, as much as I like Manny and want him on the field.  There should be no tolerance for these things.

Discussing trading Manny is moot because there would be no trade value.  Do you remember a few years back they put him on waivers and no one took him?

The market has changed a lot since then.  A few years ago, Manny's $20 million contract was an albatross.  Now, salaries have crept back up to near that level.  I guarantee you that if Manny was placed on the block, he'd bring a decent return.  It wouldn't be a bonanza, but the Sox would walk away with probably two nice prospects and a young major leaguer.

[nickagneta]

Dude should have come up with more than 16 tickets bottom line

TP4U

I don't know why but that struck me as being really very funny.

[nickagneta]

I guarantee you that if Manny was placed on the block, he'd bring a decent return.  It wouldn't be a bonanza, but the Sox would walk away with probably two nice prospects and a young major leaguer.

I don't know Roy. Let's not forget he is a 10/5 guy and can dictate where and how he goes. If Manny is being traded, be assured that the trading team is picking up the two, one year options on his contract or no deal. If the perception is the Red Sox have to get rid of him, I'd be surprised just how much they could get. My guess is good pitching prospects would be completely out of the equation if the other team is sucking up $50 million in salary.