Anyone else have a terrible feeling that Posey is going to end up in Laker Gold?

[BudweiserCeltic]

dude i understand what you mean but you also have to realize that starting next year we won't have such a high total salary and the year after it goes down even lower etc. a big part is thanks for garnett who is taking a cut

Rondo is in our mercy for another three years, we got perk locked up for a while

the nice part is that scal finally comes off the books.

For example this year we have a total of 70 million committed witout any free agent signings, next year it goes down to 62, then the year after at 44 million without ray allen committment

if we sign posey the way i proposed next year its still going to be 68 million and with no picks prob stay around there. We need to think about resigning big baby and powe but i doubt either is worth more than 1.5 million max per year

this is the year we need some manuevering though to not exceed the salary number higher and also frugally spend that mid level exception to sign some vets

Not until the 2011/2012 season will we have a chance to be under the cap, and I still doubt it that year. So don't worry too much with what is being spent and how. The only people it really affects it's the owners, not really our ability to acquire players. Each year we'll pretty much have the same amount of exceptions to acquire new people... the MLE.

It'll be a long time before this team is under the cap... so don't worry much about those things.

[BballTim]

dude i understand what you mean but you also have to realize that starting next year we won't have such a high total salary and the year after it goes down even lower etc. a big part is thanks for garnett who is taking a cut

Rondo is in our mercy for another three years, we got perk locked up for a while

the nice part is that scal finally comes off the books.

For example this year we have a total of 70 million committed witout any free agent signings, next year it goes down to 62, then the year after at 44 million without ray allen committment

if we sign posey the way i proposed next year its still going to be 68 million and with no picks prob stay around there. We need to think about resigning big baby and powe but i doubt either is worth more than 1.5 million max per year

this is the year we need some manuevering though to not exceed the salary number higher and also frugally spend that mid level exception to sign some vets

  Won't Rondo be a free agent if we keep him on the low contracts for the next 3 years? And the other thing that you have to consider is that the $62M is for only 7 players, and the $44M is for only 4 players. Give Posey $5M and we're at $67M for only 8 players.

[BudweiserCeltic]

dude i understand what you mean but you also have to realize that starting next year we won't have such a high total salary and the year after it goes down even lower etc. a big part is thanks for garnett who is taking a cut

Rondo is in our mercy for another three years, we got perk locked up for a while

the nice part is that scal finally comes off the books.

For example this year we have a total of 70 million committed witout any free agent signings, next year it goes down to 62, then the year after at 44 million without ray allen committment

if we sign posey the way i proposed next year its still going to be 68 million and with no picks prob stay around there. We need to think about resigning big baby and powe but i doubt either is worth more than 1.5 million max per year

this is the year we need some manuevering though to not exceed the salary number higher and also frugally spend that mid level exception to sign some vets

  Won't Rondo be a free agent if we keep him on the low contracts for the next 3 years? And the other thing that you have to consider is that the $62M is for only 7 players, and the $44M is for only 4 players. Give Posey $5M and we're at $67M for only 8 players.

The 44m is really for 3 players. It doesn't include Rondo.

Well, if you think a 20m contract per 4 years gets it done, we can start paying him around 4.45-4.5m this year and use the rest on FA's.

[BballTim]

dude i understand what you mean but you also have to realize that starting next year we won't have such a high total salary and the year after it goes down even lower etc. a big part is thanks for garnett who is taking a cut

Rondo is in our mercy for another three years, we got perk locked up for a while

the nice part is that scal finally comes off the books.

For example this year we have a total of 70 million committed witout any free agent signings, next year it goes down to 62, then the year after at 44 million without ray allen committment

if we sign posey the way i proposed next year its still going to be 68 million and with no picks prob stay around there. We need to think about resigning big baby and powe but i doubt either is worth more than 1.5 million max per year

this is the year we need some manuevering though to not exceed the salary number higher and also frugally spend that mid level exception to sign some vets

  Won't Rondo be a free agent if we keep him on the low contracts for the next 3 years? And the other thing that you have to consider is that the $62M is for only 7 players, and the $44M is for only 4 players. Give Posey $5M and we're at $67M for only 8 players.

The 44m is really for 3 players. It doesn't include Rondo.

  Thanks, didn't notice that.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I've made the same mistake a couple of times, that's how I know. Hoopshype doesn't factor in team options or qualifying offers, and maybe player options.

But we also need to consider that even if they don't appear there, our free-agents still count against our cap, so the number is still misleading.

[Roy Hobbs]

i don't understand how exactly the celtics can utilize this mid level exception they have. Can't say sign posey to a 20 million dollar 4 year deal and this year pay him 2.5 million and next year 5.5 million year after 6 million etc??

that means than if we had a cap of 5.8 million to work with now 3.3 million is sitll what we have open for and then we can use part of that to sign house and another free agent??

whose a contract expert here?

No.  You can't backload an MLE contract.  As Budweiser Celtic said, you can only give raises up to 8% per year.

So, in your scenario, if they paid him $2.5 million next season, the most they can pay him in year two is $2.7 million (an 8% raise), $2.9 million the year after, etc.  You can backload contracts if you're under the cap, but can't if you're relying on the MLE, LLE, or non-Bird exceptions.

[Roy Hobbs]

But we also need to consider that even if they don't appear there, our free-agents still count against our cap, so the number is still misleading.

Yep.  Unless you're going to announce a free agent's rights, they still carry a fairly heavy cap hit.

[BudweiserCeltic]

i don't understand how exactly the celtics can utilize this mid level exception they have. Can't say sign posey to a 20 million dollar 4 year deal and this year pay him 2.5 million and next year 5.5 million year after 6 million etc??

that means than if we had a cap of 5.8 million to work with now 3.3 million is sitll what we have open for and then we can use part of that to sign house and another free agent??

whose a contract expert here?

No.  You can't backload an MLE contract.  As Budweiser Celtic said, you can only give raises up to 8% per year.

So, in your scenario, if they paid him $2.5 million next season, the most they can pay him in year two is $2.7 million (an 8% raise), $2.9 million the year after, etc.  You can backload contracts if you're under the cap, but can't if you're relying on the MLE, LLE, or non-Bird exceptions.

Also, it's not a raise of 8%... it's a raise of 8% of the first year. For example, if you pay him 4.45m the first year, you can only increase the salary each year by 0.356 mill.

Also, I don't think you can backload contracts as you say... raises are limited to 10.5% of the first year of the contract. Or am I missing something?

[BballTim]

But we also need to consider that even if they don't appear there, our free-agents still count against our cap, so the number is still misleading.

Yep.  Unless you're going to announce a free agent's rights, they still carry a fairly heavy cap hit.

  (renounce)

[Roy Hobbs]

But we also need to consider that even if they don't appear there, our free-agents still count against our cap, so the number is still misleading.

Yep.  Unless you're going to announce a free agent's rights, they still carry a fairly heavy cap hit.

  (renounce)

Um...  yeah.  Don't know what I was thinking there.

For anybody who read my recent post on backloading contracts before I deleted it, disregard that, too.  Posting + preparing for mediation is not a good mix.

[Mr October]

I doubt Posey is going to the Lakers, even though he'd be a much better fit than Walton, Vlad.

I actually think the Lakers should focus on getting Ariza back in the mix. He was huge for them at the 3 before going down with an injury. He's a lot cheaper than Posey too.

And then the other reasons listed in this thread are good too. Like the fact that he has seen how disfunctional the Lakers are up close. And He knows from Shaq that Kobe is a punk.

And then on top of this, teams & the media and fans love stats. Guys like Maggette will be more attractive to them.

[Jon]

As good of a fit as Posey would be on the Lakers, Kupchak was stupid enough to think that offense could win a championship this past year.  Given his comments recently, he seems to be stupid enough to think offense will win a championship this year.

And mark my words, any improvement Bynum gives them in the middle on defense will be offset by how much he's going to screw up their spacing on offense.  Plus, if Bynum at the 5 means Odom guarding opposing 3s, their defense isn't going to get much better either. 

[Mr October]

As good of a fit as Posey would be on the Lakers, Kupchak was stupid enough to think that offense could win a championship this past year.  Given his comments recently, he seems to be stupid enough to think offense will win a championship this year.

And mark my words, any improvement Bynum gives them in the middle on defense will be offset by how much he's going to screw up their spacing on offense.  Plus, if Bynum at the 5 means Odom guarding opposing 3s, their defense isn't going to get much better either. 

Yup, I agree on the Bynum points. He is good to have for sure. But he it's not like the Lakers are suddenly going to have Wilt Chamberlain in the paint next year. The kid makes a lot of mistakes (3 steps forward, 2 back), and will need more time to grow into his skills. He isn't THE ANSWER for the Lakers next year. They really need an Odom for Artest-esque trade if they really want a serious fix.

[timepiece33]

Posey, IMO, will get the MLE from someone.  It only takes one team and I wouldn't bet against one of the Celtics primary competitors swooping in to get an improvement coupled with weakening the Celtics overall.  Posey is a hell of a player.   Ultimately, I believe the question is the number of years that someone will offer within the MLE.  Also, I also wouldn't underestimate Posey's worth over the next 2 to 3 years if we want to continue to be a championship type team.

Sure, we could probably replace him with a Ryan Gomes type ... but that is a major downgrade in my opinion.

I'd be surprised if the Celtics didn't offer Posey a 3 year MLE deal that corresponds with Pierce going off the books.

So what position do we target with the LLE?

[wdleehi]

I just want to wake up tomorrow and hear 'Posey has resigned with the Celtics'



Then let's look at what options are left to fill the rest of the roster.