The Unofficial Tony Allen Appreciation Thread

[Sweet17]

First, Tony isn't that cheap.  He's due a $2.7 million qualifying offer, which gets doubled under the luxury tax.  He's not worth that much.

As far as I know the C's haven't given him a QO yet. I think they will see if they can sign him for the vet min or just let him walk.
While it's not entirely fair to claim his cost is "doubled" by the lux tax as everyone is pushing them over... (not just TA) it will still play a consideration.

Pete

[EJPLAYA]

With the drafting of Giddens and Walker Tony must be out buying packing tape and cardboard boxes this morning.

And some Ben Gay for that sore hind end he must have having just received the tail! I think that's the last we will see TA after those moves. This is the "replace TA with similar players with upside". Great job Danny. Now just go sign Posey and House...

[micah kenneth]

Tony Allen is still a good player and could be a better player, I wouldn't be so quick as to let him go, in fact I would be inclined to resign him and keep him. He gives a great effort on defense and is a very tough cover on offense, those are the things I am looking for him in,  he drives with power and quickness and there are few players in the league that could guard him off the dribble. He's a good rebounder especially on the offensive board. Let's face it he's young and strong and I feel he's has recovered from his knee injury and gained some wisdom with it. Ray Allen has lost a step and in no way shape or form plays defense as well as T.A. Tony can play a short time as the point and he can play the 2, while Posey can play the 2 & the 3.
I say keep Tony Allen he should have a much more productive year this coming season. There's no doubt he needs to work on a consistent outside shot and his free throw shoot

[EJPLAYA]

Tony Allen is still a good player and could be a better player, I wouldn't be so quick as to let him go, in fact I would be inclined to resign him and keep him. He gives a great effort on defense and is a very tough cover on offense, those are the things I am looking for him in,  he drives with power and quickness and there are few players in the league that could guard him off the dribble. He's a good rebounder especially on the offensive board. Let's face it he's young and strong and I feel he's has recovered from his knee injury and gained some wisdom with it. Ray Allen has lost a step and in no way shape or form plays defense as well as T.A. Tony can play a short time as the point and he can play the 2, while Posey can play the 2 & the 3.
I say keep Tony Allen he should have a much more productive year this coming season. There's no doubt he needs to work on a consistent outside shot and his free throw shoot

He's a very EASY cover on defense. Step back two-three steps on him and dare him to shoot or put the ball on the floor.

I think you might be watching the wrong guy, because his free throw shooting is the ONLY thing he does pretty well consistently...

[BballTim]

First, Tony isn't that cheap.  He's due a $2.7 million qualifying offer, which gets doubled under the luxury tax.  He's not worth that much.

  This probably doesn't belong in this thread, but by the same logic if we gave the MLE to Posey he'd be getting about $12M a year. He's also not worth that much.

  If nothing else, we're in  a better bargaining position with TA.

[Roy Hobbs]

First, Tony isn't that cheap.  He's due a $2.7 million qualifying offer, which gets doubled under the luxury tax.  He's not worth that much.

  This probably doesn't belong in this thread, but by the same logic if we gave the MLE to Posey he'd be getting about $12M a year. He's also not worth that much.

  If nothing else, we're in  a better bargaining position with TA.

When you're deciding where to spend your money, and how to allocate it under the luxury tax, I'd rather spend $5.5 million (+$5.5 million in luxury tax) on Posey than I would spend half that much on Tony Allen.

James Posey was a key player on our championship team.  He's not irreplaceable, but he's important.

Tony Allen is spare baggage that is going to see his role usurped by a rookie.

[Champzilla]

Trade TA and SCAL.

[BballTim]

First, Tony isn't that cheap.  He's due a $2.7 million qualifying offer, which gets doubled under the luxury tax.  He's not worth that much.

  This probably doesn't belong in this thread, but by the same logic if we gave the MLE to Posey he'd be getting about $12M a year. He's also not worth that much.

  If nothing else, we're in  a better bargaining position with TA.

When you're deciding where to spend your money, and how to allocate it under the luxury tax, I'd rather spend $5.5 million (+$5.5 million in luxury tax) on Posey than I would spend half that much on Tony Allen.

James Posey was a key player on our championship team.  He's not irreplaceable, but he's important.

Tony Allen is spare baggage that is going to see his role usurped by a rookie.

  I lost a little of the end of my post somehow. I meant that, after the draft, our need for TA has lessened so we might be less inclined to offer him a decent deal.

  But I also wonder if the fact that we brought in 2 wings means that they're considering whether they want to spend that (double the MLE) on Posey.

[NJCeltsFan]

I'm glad the thread was started.  I've always wanted to see Tony succeed and think he has a lot of talent.  He was also someone that you knew really cared about the game, enjoyed being on the team and wanted to do well. He does drive you crazy at times but also shows flashes that made you think he could carry a team for a while.  He'll never get a shot here so I hope he gets a chance on another team. 

Tony, if you don't come back...best of luck.

[Triboy16]

I don't think he will be back now i'am more farmiliar with his situation

The celtics sort of can't lower their 2.7 qualifying offer. And for a guy for his age , his experience and capabilities he earns at least that imo.(look at what scal makes!)

Tony allen will be a nice pickup for any team needing some more athletism and defense. I think teams like the raptors, spurs even the hated lakers could all use tony

if he gets just a low 2.7 million but for 2 years  by any other team he won't give up the chance to sign, i just don't see celts paying more than 2.7 million for 1 year for now

Jr giddens pickup makes alot of sense now

[BudweiserCeltic]

I hope that at the least we can get a sign and trade with Tony Allen. I'd be disapointed if we let him go for nothing.  Signing Tony Allen in theory should help move Scal's contract in some sort of package.  Looking at our current roster, we might be better served trying to package Tony, Scal, and Baby in a move that hopefully brings us some sort of Center (assuming we go full MLE on Posey). Baby is a free-agent next season, same as Powe... and I think that the team will be forced to keep one or the other, so moving him should be done together with Scal if the opportunity comes along.

I'd be interested in seeing how the PG situation unfolds and what PGs show interest in joining the Celtics for the vet. min. or around that. I don't think it's a foregone conclusion that we'll be able to keep House. And believe it or not, we might be better off keeping Tony Allen as our back-up PG for the time being, even though I'd hate to see him in that role again.

But, I could imagine a PG-SG combination of Giddens and Tony causing some real damage off the bench. I think they could be a handful playing together. Offensively with penetration and hopefully racking up fouls, with Powe in there for good measure and then Posey as a kickout option. I know it won't look pretty, but it might just be effective with high energy play.  Then we go to the defensive side of it. Tony could cause problems to smaller guards, Giddens and his long arms could be quite effective, then we have Posey... I would love to see how a defensive unit with those 3 guys would look.

I also think that keeping Tony could be key in having a really effective small line up when needed. Because then you can bring Rondo, and have Tony and Giddens running down the floor looking for easy buckets, move Posey to the 4, and have Garnett at the 5, and we know he runs the floor well. That could be a highly energetic unit.

Again, I'd love to know more on how Pruitt's development is going and on how comfortable the team is with him. Because if he's not up to the task, then surely we need a good back-up PG. But if he is up to the task, keeping Tony might be our best option just for the match-up problems we could cause and his value in being capable of playing various positions.

[Evantime34]

I'm kind of wary of giving up TA, If he signs somewhere else I have visions of him doing what he did for that week he played out of his mind for the entire year. If we give up a guy who can play like that consistently when healthy I'll be very disappointed.

[BudweiserCeltic]

I'm kind of wary of giving up TA, If he signs somewhere else I have visions of him doing what he did for that week he played out of his mind for the entire year. If we give up a guy who can play like that consistently when healthy I'll be very disappointed.

I'm with you to a degree... I certainly don't think he'll be as consistant or as great. But I see him being useful and/or good in a consistent basis.

I think he's more valuable to the organization than people are giving him credit for, and I hate the way some posters here are making him out to be complete garbage. It's just wrong.

[hispheekness]

i think tony would be a matchup problem for us if he were to come back to town as either the focal point or second option of another team's offense. tony is a 2 guard - there was no reason for us to try and make him a 1. i remember when knicks tried to start spreewell and houston as a 1 and 2 - it sounded good cause spree could penetrate and score and was big. it didnt work out but spree was still the best player on that knicks team. so tony haters, pls tell me that more than half of the nba 2 guards can effectively handle the 1? If all tony was asked to do was defend and penetrate when he had the ball in his attack area, I think he would have been more impressive. moreover, his ability to distribute when he is in the lane is massively underrated.

[BudweiserCeltic]

So, until when do the Celtics have to make a qualifying offer? Till 11:59pm tonight? Sooner?