Posey will opt out, House wants to return

[Who]

I like Tony Allen and believe he brings a useful skill set to the team. Mainly his ability to get to the rim. His defense is solid, sometimes very good. Dependant on his contract (don't want a long deal or a rich deal until he establishes himself more) I'd love for him come back.

As for Posey I would not pay him a 5 year contract. I'd consider a 4 year contract although he'd likely be limited that fourth year, the contributions from the first three would be enough to make that worthwhile. A 3 year deal is excellent. A two year deal is ideal. I agree that we'll likely have to pay him the MLE, Posey wouldn't be opting out if his agent didn't believe he could land his client a big raise.

I'd like to keep Eddie House too. He's an important piece to the team.

[Redz]

I like Tony Allen and believe he brings a useful skill set to the team. Mainly his ability to get to the rim. His defense is solid, sometimes very good. Dependant on his contract (don't want a long deal or a rich deal until he establishes himself more) I'd love for him come back.

It's his ability to land that is troublesome

Tony's worth bringing back if the price is right, but I wouldn't put him high on the priority list.

[P2]

It's simple: If Posey eats up the MLE, Tony will be re-signed at a bargain deal, because we won't have money for other good players.

[Evantime34]

I might be in the Minority but I don't think we should give Posey the full MLE. With the run the Celtics are making good players will want to sign with us under their market value (but not quite for veteran minimum), we could get several players that would help us instead of just signing Posey, and replacing, PJ, E-House and TA with veteran min guys. I think we could end up signing Diop, Duhon and Barnes all for the money we would give Posey.

[Barnabas]

I might be in the Minority but I don't think we should give Posey the full MLE. With the run the Celtics are making good players will want to sign with us under their market value (but not quite for veteran minimum), we could get several players that would help us instead of just signing Posey, and replacing, PJ, E-House and TA with veteran min guys. I think we could end up signing Diop, Duhon and Barnes all for the money we would give Posey.

I agree with you.  If someone wants to give Posey 5Mill per year, then I say go ahead and let him go.  If we win this championship, there will be many veteran role players who would be knocking on our doors.  I think a lot of us are guilty of over-valuing our role players because they've been helpful to us.  But really, that's what you should expect, no less.  We don't want to use the full MLE on Posey.  The most that I would give him is his current yearly salary, extended by two years. 

We really need to find a way to dump Scalabrine's salary.  He makes almost as much as Bruce Bowen, for heaven's sake! 

Ideally, we need to look for one player who can be the backup PG, SG, and SF.  Someone who can hit the three-pointer to compensate for where Rondo is lacking.  Also, someone with enough height to play SF and take Posey's place. 

That's why I think Danny should trade our first round pick.  We are a veteran team and we really do not need any more projects on our bench.  We've already got Rondo, Powe, Big Baby, and Pruitt.  What we need are veterans who can make an impact now.

[mustang]

I agree with Who, we should bring Posey back but limit the number of yrs to 3 or 4.

I can just already picture next year's playoffs, losing in the conference finals or something, and Van Gundy crowing that the Celtics didn't realize in the offseason how much they were going to miss James Posey come playoff time....or, even worse, he signs with an Eastern Conference team like the Pistons or Cavs and does to us what Kurt Thomas did to the Suns last month.

I'd give him the MLE and then jack up prices in the luxury boxes to deal w/the luxury tax, but it ain't my money...

[crownsy]

I might be in the Minority but I don't think we should give Posey the full MLE. With the run the Celtics are making good players will want to sign with us under their market value (but not quite for veteran minimum), we could get several players that would help us instead of just signing Posey, and replacing, PJ, E-House and TA with veteran min guys. I think we could end up signing Diop, Duhon and Barnes all for the money we would give Posey.

I agree with you.  If someone wants to give Posey 5Mill per year, then I say go ahead and let him go.  If we win this championship, there will be many veteran role players who would be knocking on our doors.  I think a lot of us are guilty of over-valuing our role players because they've been helpful to us.  But really, that's what you should expect, no less.  We don't want to use the full MLE on Posey.  The most that I would give him is his current yearly salary, extended by two years. 

We really need to find a way to dump Scalabrine's salary.  He makes almost as much as Bruce Bowen, for heaven's sake! 

Ideally, we need to look for one player who can be the backup PG, SG, and SF.  Someone who can hit the three-pointer to compensate for where Rondo is lacking.  Also, someone with enough height to play SF and take Posey's place. 

That's why I think Danny should trade our first round pick.  We are a veteran team and we really do not need any more projects on our bench.  We've already got Rondo, Powe, Big Baby, and Pruitt.  What we need are veterans who can make an impact now.

the problem is, name me one other elite defender who knocks down threes and can defend four postions, but is fine coming off the bench instead of starting.

i can think of one other guy, and the spurs seem pretty attached to him.

[CelticKings]

i agree that we need to get rid of scals contract, considering he hasn't had an impact on the team at all.

whats the deal with pollard is he back next year? and if we have him then do we need PJ? if we win tonight would PJ retire?

[cordobes]

I like Tony Allen and believe he brings a useful skill set to the team. Mainly his ability to get to the rim. His defense is solid, sometimes very good. Dependant on his contract (don't want a long deal or a rich deal until he establishes himself more) I'd love for him come back.

As for Posey I would not pay him a 5 year contract. I'd consider a 4 year contract although he'd likely be limited that fourth year, the contributions from the first three would be enough to make that worthwhile. A 3 year deal is excellent. A two year deal is ideal. I agree that we'll likely have to pay him the MLE, Posey wouldn't be opting out if his agent didn't believe he could land his client a big raise.

I'd like to keep Eddie House too. He's an important piece to the team.

What's the point of giving Posey the full MLE for 2 or 3 years instead of signing him for 4 or 5 with the non-Bird exception?

A 5 years contract with the non-Bird exception with a player option in the 4th and a team option in the 5th would be excellent (but probably not enough to keep him). Even a plain 5 years contract would be better than a 3 year full-MLE one. It's rather improbable that we're winning the O'Brien in 2012. Plus, we'll have very valuable expirings to trade by that time and the luxury tax won't be a problem anymore. On the other hand, paying him the full-MLE doesn't allow us to sign anymore players, unless using the min salary. If we sign him with the non-Bird exception, we can dump Tony and stash the draft picks to get some luxury tax relieve and still retain some salary flexibility just in case.

[cordobes]

We really need to find a way to dump Scalabrine's salary.  He makes almost as much as Bruce Bowen, for heaven's sake! 

Ideally, we need to look for one player who can be the backup PG, SG, and SF.  Someone who can hit the three-pointer to compensate for where Rondo is lacking.  Also, someone with enough height to play SF and take Posey's place. 

Who's that player? And how can we sign such a player with the MLE?

We won't be able to dump Scal's salary till his last year.

[Bahku]

Posey and House are priorities, and I hope James will value this team a bit beyond his salary, (though that's hard to imagine these days). I'd laso like to see him be happy with plus twenty, but that also seems unlikey. I think we should do pretty much whatever it takes to keep him, within reason, and Eddie as a second priority. I don't see PJ as having anywhere near the same worth, and I feel he's expendable, along with TA, Pollard, Sammy, and Scal. I'd like to see us hang on to Posey, House, BBD, Powe, and Pruitt, (along with the starting five, obviously) ... I love that as a core ten unit.

[Last Train]

Not an expert on these types of things, but is it possible to arrange a deal with Posey where he picks up the option to stay at the lesser rate and we then extend him beyond that one year, giving him a nice raise in the extension to make up for the '08-'09 salary?

[cordobes]

Not an expert on these types of things, but is it possible to arrange a deal with Posey where he picks up the option to stay at the lesser rate and we then extend him beyond that one year, giving him a nice raise in the extension to make up for the '08-'09 salary?

McHale did that with Joe Smith a couple of years ago. Unfortunately, it's illegal.

[Last Train]

Yeah, thats what I thought. Although, isn't this a little different because Posey is currently under contract and that option year has already been worked out? I just didn't know what the letter of the law was.

[Who]

I like Tony Allen and believe he brings a useful skill set to the team. Mainly his ability to get to the rim. His defense is solid, sometimes very good. Dependant on his contract (don't want a long deal or a rich deal until he establishes himself more) I'd love for him come back.

As for Posey I would not pay him a 5 year contract. I'd consider a 4 year contract although he'd likely be limited that fourth year, the contributions from the first three would be enough to make that worthwhile. A 3 year deal is excellent. A two year deal is ideal. I agree that we'll likely have to pay him the MLE, Posey wouldn't be opting out if his agent didn't believe he could land his client a big raise.

I'd like to keep Eddie House too. He's an important piece to the team.

What's the point of giving Posey the full MLE for 2 or 3 years instead of signing him for 4 or 5 with the non-Bird exception?

A 5 years contract with the non-Bird exception with a player option in the 4th and a team option in the 5th would be excellent (but probably not enough to keep him). Even a plain 5 years contract would be better than a 3 year full-MLE one. It's rather improbable that we're winning the O'Brien in 2012. Plus, we'll have very valuable expirings to trade by that time and the luxury tax won't be a problem anymore. On the other hand, paying him the full-MLE doesn't allow us to sign anymore players, unless using the min salary. If we sign him with the non-Bird exception, we can dump Tony and stash the draft picks to get some luxury tax relieve and still retain some salary flexibility just in case.

For the Celtics it's a lot better if he signs a 4 or 5 year contract with the non-bird exception

For James Posey it's a lot better to sign a 2-3 year deal at the MLE because he'll have an opportunity to sign another contract after that and make more money. So he likely would prefer that.

I expect Posey will look for a four year deal anyway.