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Re: No National Media Love / Experts Picking LA
« Reply #105 on: June 02, 2008, 12:52:30 AM »

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I'm not sure if anybody mentioned it earlier, but Tim Legler picked us.  That makes one out of ten "experts".



Yep, I mentioned it in the afternoon... you know it would be great if they had at least a paragraph next to the experts with their reasonings for their picks. At the moment, they're empty guesses without much thought behind them. I'm really curious about the thought process, if any, from these so called experts.

Re: No National Media Love / Experts Picking LA
« Reply #106 on: June 02, 2008, 01:22:49 AM »

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I'm not sure if anybody mentioned it earlier, but Tim Legler picked us.  That makes one out of ten "experts".



Yep, I mentioned it in the afternoon... you know it would be great if they had at least a paragraph next to the experts with their reasonings for their picks. At the moment, they're empty guesses without much thought behind them. I'm really curious about the thought process, if any, from these so called experts.

That would be good.

Is it just me or is their a lack of material coming out of ESPN on the Finals matchup? There's hardly anything there on the present C's-L's matchup.

Re: No National Media Love / Experts Picking LA
« Reply #107 on: June 02, 2008, 01:26:35 AM »

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Well, Clippers fan Bill Simmons is chatting NBA Finals noon, tomorrow. I'll be checking in.

Re: No National Media Love / Experts Picking LA
« Reply #108 on: June 02, 2008, 01:33:53 AM »

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I agree, I'd love to see what everyone thinks is so great. I'm am a die hard Laker fan, and I think the Lakers can win the series, but I am shocked that almost everyone is picking them. The Cs defense and home court seems like a big hurdle to overcome.


Re: No National Media Love / Experts Picking LA
« Reply #109 on: June 02, 2008, 02:02:10 AM »

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Is it just me or is their a lack of material coming out of ESPN on the Finals matchup? There's hardly anything there on the present C's-L's matchup.

Surely it's just because it's the weekend. They still have three-plus days to hype it. Of course the Celtics victory over the Pistons was handled with cursory detail, but when Monday rolls around we'll be back to all-Kobe, all-the-time.

Re: No National Media Love / Experts Picking LA
« Reply #110 on: June 02, 2008, 04:34:56 AM »

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The Celtics have to pickup this "Nobody can Stop Kobe!" as our rallying cry. That was the problems with the teams that lost to MJ. They knew they could not stop him so why try.  No matter how many points Kobe gets you have to try and stop them all. Like the way we stopped Lerbron or Joe Johnson in the home games. Were are all the "Great defense, beats great offense" people?  They're not chiming in on this series.  I see the Celtics as the better team. Can the better team beat the best player? That's always been the question the Great Celtic's teams answer best. YES. I don't know if any Celtics team that won a championship ever had the best player. Maybe Bird a couple of years. Maybe Russell here and there, But we've  mostly beat a team of Davids slaying the Goliaths. I think that will be the case this year. Go Celtics.


Re: No National Media Love / Experts Picking LA
« Reply #111 on: June 02, 2008, 04:44:52 AM »

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I agree, I'd love to see what everyone thinks is so great. I'm am a die hard Laker fan, and I think the Lakers can win the series, but I am shocked that almost everyone is picking them. The Cs defense and home court seems like a big hurdle to overcome.



Yes, I agree.  The ESPN predictions seem like the "Kiss of Death" to me.  As soon as I saw them, I started touching my "family jewels" - a Sicilian custom designed to ward off the "malocchio".  Why don't they just shut up if they don't know anything about just what a tough series this will be...

Re: No National Media Love / Experts Picking LA
« Reply #112 on: June 02, 2008, 04:54:54 AM »

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I'd like to see some photos of the big 12 shown at the opening of this game. This is a team from top to bottom and these Men are still coming together. The peek of the post season so far has been: Celtics coming back 10 down after bad calls and playing Celtics "will to win" ball. I think they finally know what it takes to take the championship. It hasn't been easy but what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. The Celtics are the stronger more strong willed team . Everyone on the Celtics knows that this is our one chance. LA knows there going to be back here for the next 4 or 5 years. The Lakers are where they want to be with a chance to will a few times in the next few years. For the Celtics they know that this is there shot. They have an older team, everyone gets hurt. Next years a long way off for the Celtics if it ever even comes. The Lakers know they are making a multi year run. The Celtics will play like men with a last chance. The Celtics  backs are up against the wall before any of the games even start. That's way KG could sleep for 3 nights and why PP didn't argue that bad 3 quarter call. Why Ray Allen kept shooting. Why Powe is ready to play. Why Eddie House is pumped, Why Perk played the best game of his life the other night, Why Posey took over at the end of the Game 6 Celtics Pistons game. Why PJ Brown looks young again. Why Baby has that big smile on his face. Why Scal was ready to go weather we needed him or not.

Re: No National Media Love / Experts Picking LA
« Reply #113 on: June 02, 2008, 05:55:01 AM »

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I agree, I'd love to see what everyone thinks is so great. I'm am a die hard Laker fan, and I think the Lakers can win the series, but I am shocked that almost everyone is picking them. The Cs defense and home court seems like a big hurdle to overcome.



Yes, I agree.  The ESPN predictions seem like the "Kiss of Death" to me.  As soon as I saw them, I started touching my "family jewels" - a Sicilian custom designed to ward off the "malocchio".  Why don't they just shut up if they don't know anything about just what a tough series this will be...


And I will throw my 2-cents into this as well... Agree with both Laker fans above. It is absolutely INSANE to consider Lakers the hands-down favorite. I understand that the Celtics played poorly against the Hawks and had a tough time against the Cavs, but they handled Detroit pretty easily (won two in Detroit) and have all the confidence back.

The Lakers were the favored team in 2000 and then almost stumbled against a young Sacramento team and then were pushed to the infamous game 7 against the Blazers. That didn't stop them from destroying the Pacers in the Finals. Similarly, I think all the adversity in the first two rounds helps the Celtics in the Finals.


Re: No National Media Love / Experts Picking LA
« Reply #114 on: June 02, 2008, 08:06:44 AM »

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LA hasn't played a swarming and physical defence like the Celtics yet in the playoffs.  We know what they looked like in the regular season against us, this will be even worse.
The Celtics will impose their physicality against them and the Lakers won't know how to react. Next thing you know, we will have won the series!
The Celtics have really gelled in the playoffs contrary to what the so called "experts" are saying...by the way, these ESPN "experts" have usually make the wrong predictions over the years in any sport.  These "experts" are no more than "mouthpieces"! Now if they were mathematicians or scientists we could give some weight to what they are saying.
Can these "experts" explain who will guard KG?  How about Pierce? If you're thinking Kobe, "forget about it"!  Kobe has never been able to match up with Paul as Paul is too big and physical for him and Paul always drives to the basket against him. Kobe will end up in foul trouble.  Paul does average 26 pts for a career against the Lakers for a reason.
Finally, the Lakers are a weak rebounding team, that should pretty much assure them of their demise against our Celtics.  Watch for Rondo to have a big rebounding series as for Perkins too.
By the end of the series, the Celtics' offense will look better and be more fluid than the Lakers and all these so called "Mouthpieces", I mean "experts" will give the Celtics some credit, but still not their due.
Forget the experts, you Celticbloggers know so much more than them!
GO CELTICS GO          BEAT LA

Re: No National Media Love / Experts Picking LA
« Reply #115 on: June 02, 2008, 08:51:59 AM »

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you're completely correct in saying that Kobe would have trouble against Pierce... which is why he probably won't guard him.

Also one more thing... you mention "scientists and mathematicians"... Are you referring to the great John Hollinger? AHAHAHHAH...  ;D


Re: No National Media Love / Experts Picking LA
« Reply #116 on: June 02, 2008, 11:06:37 AM »

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I don't know if this has been mentioned, but one difference I see between these two teams is a sense of urgency. From rookies to vets, the Celtics really seem to appreciate the urgency of winning now while they have the chance. I don't get that sense from the Lakers at all - they seem to be smiling and laughing and enjoying themselves as if they don't appreciate how lucky they are to be in the Finals. Even Kobe seems to be acting like LA has a guaranteed 5 year run starting - no real sense of urgency.

The Lakers have kind of coasted through the playoffs so far. Part of that is because they've just been that good. But it will be real interesting to see how they handle adversity because they ain't seen nothing like the Celtics. My hunch is that the Lakers will crumble under the pressure once they get behind in the series.

Re: No National Media Love / Experts Picking LA
« Reply #117 on: June 02, 2008, 11:17:13 AM »

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You might be right.  They could crumble under the pressure.  However, neither team has quite seen another team during these playoffs like they are about to see.  It is a double-edged sword.  Both teams have strengths and weaknesses as I see it.  Certainly not the usual Laker homer myself, I have this series as a toss-up with perhaps the home-court advantage tipping it finally to Boston, but anything can happen in a long series.  I would not be surprised if either team comes out victorious - the future is obscure and this is the end game of a tough chess match.  One reason that I think that perhaps your certainty of sure psychological collapse by the Lakers may be premature, has been their ability to overcome large deficits against very good defensive teams and win games. 

Re: No National Media Love / Experts Picking LA
« Reply #118 on: June 02, 2008, 11:27:05 AM »

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You might be right.  They could crumble under the pressure.  However, neither team has quite seen another team during these playoffs like they are about to see.  It is a double-edged sword.  Both teams have strengths and weaknesses as I see it.  Certainly not the usual Laker homer myself, I have this series as a toss-up with perhaps the home-court advantage tipping it finally to Boston, but anything can happen in a long series.  I would not be surprised if either team comes out victorious - the future is obscure and this is the end game of a tough chess match.  One reason that I think that perhaps your certainty of sure psychological collapse by the Lakers may be premature, has been their ability to overcome large deficits against very good defensive teams and win games. 
Good points. I've mentioned this in another thread, but I believe this series will be decided in games 1 and 2. In the SA/LA series, SA had a great chance to put LA in its collective heels early in the series. Had they succeeded, I think LA would have ultimately collapsed. But to the Lakers credit, they found a way to win and stay in the driver's seat early in the series, which gave them the confidence to cruise the rest of the way to victory.

In this series, LA has to start on the road. If Boston holds serve and wins the first 2 at home, I think it will be nearly impossible for LA to win the next 3. And if LA heads back to Boston with anything less than a 3-2 series lead, Boston will most definitely put them out of their misery. BUT, if LA steals one of the first 2 in Boston, LA could ride another wave of confidence to a series victory. However, in that situation, Boston won't rollover the way SA and Utah did.

Re: No National Media Love / Experts Picking LA
« Reply #119 on: June 03, 2008, 03:13:33 AM »

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Wow jbhdva, that was quite a novel for your first post.  How long did you work on that?  Good stuff though.

Well, I worked on it a lot. Sunday evening was tough for me as a ESPN watcher. I need to let off of it though. My friend, a die hard Laker fan, texted me to let me know that all of the experts were picking the Lakers and two in 5 games. I thought he was joking, but he wasn't joking. It was true. Across the country, it's the consenus throughout. Kobe-Gasol-Odom and Fisher and the Euro 3 pointer threats will tear the Celtics up.  I've heard everything. They're inconsistent. They can't win on the road. LeBron took them to a second 7th Game. Detroit beat them at home and proved they can lose at home. Detroit in six. Hell, even Cavs in six or seven when LeBron drops 40.

It's just something I don't understand, then again I do understand. First off, the Lakers pretty much cut throught the postseason what looked like with ease, the Celtics battled much harder and showed their weaknesses, and the way it looks, the Celtics have more weaknesses than the Lakers. I bought that until game six in Detroit. I have to say it surprised me, shocked me and thrilled me. My mind told me and kinda still tells me that the Celtics will fall to the West champs if they make it past Detroit. But my heart said "Wake up. They have prevailed every series. Yes they lost 7 on the road and only won two. Well the total of wins were 12 and that's what matters.

Just now, I saw SportsCenter and they were talking about how the Celtics guarded the LeBron and the Cavs. The analyst said that the Lakers provided a different animal for the Boston Celtics. They talked about all the scorers and shooters. As I recall, after the Atlanta series and Joe Johnson, analysts said the Celtics have to control a much better LeBron James and I'm not sure they can do that. Well, look whose here now. We heard about Chauency Billups and Rip Hamilton and the deep bench of the Pistons. It was almost like they wanted the Celtics to fail after they struggled against the Hawks. They disappointed and they are choking. Well, they did fail in some games, but they won series after series.

They have been given no credit and all of the sports shows are featuring unstoppable Kobe, triangle offense, and Pau Gasol. They didn't play them in the regular season and the regular season doesn't matter. I guarantee you if the Celtics lost both regular season games to the Lakers and we made a big trade like Gasol. Analysts would say, "yeah but the Lakers did beat them in the regular season, the Lakers still no the majority of this team."

I don't know, maybe I'm venting, but I'm still saying that I'm making a case for them. This is our beloved Celtics and they have the best defense in the league. The major argument is this: This Celtics team has yet to play THIS Lakers team. But there's also this argument: This Lakers team has yet to prove if they can dominate THIS Celtics team. All of a sudden, a Gasol trade later, their Supermen! After two Game 7s we're tired, weary and faced a weaker Eastern Conference. Like I said in my original post, offensive teams dominated the West and defense dominated the East. Looking back to the regular season (you have to consider it sometimes), the Celtics lost 10 times to East teams including two to Cleveland (who changed during the late season as well). To the West 6: Three in a row when we got a Rusty Garnett back from injury.

Also, sports shows always favor the top offensive teams. Always. Always. Always. That's what makes the highlights. They ain't going to show too much of a star missing a shot because of a good defensive strategy. That is just the way it goes. Top defensive teams are never favored. Ever. Ever. In today's media, just forget it. But that doesn't seem to shake the Celtics up that much or the Celtics themselves for that matter. They seem to like it. The Lakers seem to like being the favorites. I wouldn't want to be the favorite, too much pressure to perform to expectation. I would want to be the prove everyone wrong guy.

Also, I heard SportsCenter saying that Kobe's ability to break down defenses has been undeniable. Yes, but you have to be specific about what kind of defensses has been thrown at him. The Nuggets, kinda there, but basically tried to play the score more. The Jazz-rebounding and just running around from what I saw (most of those games were really close though), and the Spurs close lanes the best they can and Tim Duncan gives Gasol a rough time and yes, Gasol had trouble with the Spurs. Bruce Bowen defended Kobe really well. However, at the second half games, the Spurs took too many threes and they knew they were not hot, stopped driving to the basket and Manu was hurt, tired and inconsistent. Oh yeah, at the end, they began running around like the Jazz did.
My conclusion, the defense wasn't the best efforts and allowed too many weaknesses and was inconsistent on defense and couldn't hit a shot after shooting 50 threes making about 7 or 9. Useless threes, you have the lead, tighter defense and drive to the hoop. Kobe is able to break down medicore and somewhat successful defense. Also, most of these defenses tried to use one or two aspects and run with it. Guard Kobe and keep good eyes on him/rebounding and offensive rebounding/or just hoping he misses shots (Nuggets).

Now he and the Lakers will be facing the Celtics defense, which is in my view and The Sports Reporters of ESPN (who favor the Celtics), is much tougher to breakdown. The Celtics pretty much do about everything. They rebound on both sides (Thanks Perk, KG, Posey, and Rondo), they clog the lanes, they can run with point guards (Rondo and House) they can trap, they can steal, they guard the three point line, they put hands in your face, they put bodies on you making it hard to run side by side, they block or come close to blocking, and more importantly, they suffocate you and beat the hell out of you! I think that's why their record against the West was better than in the East! I think our defense is like a really thick concrete wall. You can hit with with hammers, put some stakes through it and even take chunks out of with with a sledgehammer, but in the end, it's not coming down. You might be able to climb it and get over it a few times, but armed guards will be up on top later to shoot anyone who tries it again.

Yes, in Game 6 in Detroit we only scored 89, but against a team whose defensive strategies are identical to us, but we had more offensive weapons in the end. We're pretty good too. Ray Allen is back, yes he was non existent, but he has shown up in Detroit after a slump. KG will dominate, Paul Pierce loves playing against the Lakers and in LA (its his hometown), Perkins is getting better and better, Rondo is not a scorer, but contributes in everything else (assists, rebounds, steals and defense). There's also been talk about Lakers/Celtics depth and the Lakers depth outweighs Celtics bench, they're young and can run and score. Well, with the exception of P.J. and Sam, our bench is young too, they can score some, but they play great defense themselves. Posey, P.J. (rebounding), House (hustle and steals) Tony Allen (will be missed) defensive player all around and Big Baby Davis who gave Tim Duncan a hard time and could give Gasol a similar hard time. 

There's only one matchup I worry about and that's Sam Cassell and everyone else. However, I don't think Sam will play too much, and Doc has learned his lesson I think. We need to see more House. We love you Eddie. Actually I partly blame him for the Atlanta series going longer than it should have, not stopping Bibby when he should have.

Anyway, I still like our chances. I don't think they should change a thing how they play defense. They're fine. The plays are simple and should be simple, the execution is the xfactor. More on this another day. It's late and I want to go to bed. I'll be back.