Tony Allen & Eddie House= play them!!!

[crownsy]

Getting sold on Sam is wrong, he had a few very bad fouls, reaching in and sort of being a hacker. He does not pass, he looks for his shots, he really isn't a point guard, a point guard is the set up man, who can score if no one is moving in his offense. He is playing like a shooting guard. The rotation i am talking about is Ray Allen vs Eddie House, if one isn't working, put in the other, as for Posey, good on D, yes, offense, hardly. Not much shot, never a layup or dunk........i like his grit, but we need points to. Eddie, for a points blast, that is all. It will also fire up Ray. No, you don't sit these guysw. And who said Tony Allen is a turn over machine, well the celts had 23 last night without him. It is matchups, different looks, different attacks, and fresh hungry players who are ready to do more!!!

what does their turnover stat last night have to do with tony allen avergaing a hellacious number of TO's and bad decisions all season? They don't realate to each other. including dumb fouls in the playoffs (joe smith shootign a three, off the ball foul on joe smith to send him to the line so far in limited time.) and his turnover problems, some of which come when he loses the dribble for no appernt reason, his minutes need to shorten up. And, he did play 5 minutes last night.


Tony's a good kid, but you can't play all 12 guys come playoff time. the starters minutes go up, and someones go down. The guy who turns the ball over faster than ive seen a SG ever do is a good choice to see reduced minutes.

Eddie on the other hand, doc should be finding 2-3 minutes a night for, somehow. Ray is currently the only starter averaging 42+ in the playoffs, i'd have no problem with running eddie out there for 3-4 minutes and get ray some rest, but apparently doc has decided against that.

[Redz]

I heard a guy on a talk show after the game last night asking the host if he could think of another guard in the NBA, besides Tony Allen, whose biggest weakness is dribbling.  He couldn't.  I can't. Can anyone?

[crownsy]

I heard a guy on a talk show after the game last night asking the host if he could think of another guard in the NBA, besides Tony Allen, whose biggest weakness is dribbling.  He couldn't.  I can't. Can anyone?

****, no i can't and a TP for making me chuckle 

[Oldschoolkid]

Edit - not acceptable.  Do not call out other posters.  Do not talk down to other posters.  wdleehi

[soap07]

edit - Removed previous post. wdleehi

Your condescension not withstanding, yes, TA can get to the hoop. Unfortunately, he gets to the hoop and then turns the ball over. What's the help in that?

[Oldschoolkid]

Well as of yesterday's post it seems Tom Ryan of the Boston globe sports feels the same way I do about it, in today's paper. He also points out a few more things Sam could do to help us out here! Passing = assists=point guards job! With Ray so cold Tony & Eddie can do at least as much. I might be wrong, but I just want our team to play their best!

[wdleehi]

For the team to play it's best, Ray Allen needs to be on the floor, and he needs good shots.



House and Tony are specialists now.  All minutes at the 2 and 3 should go to Pierce, Ray and Posey.  With the exception of foul trouble, injury, or less then 24 seconds in the quarter, House and Tony shouldn't be on the floor. 

[crownsy]

exactly Wdl, this isn't youth basketball, you play your best guys as much as possable. that means more minutes for posey at the 2 and 3(bye bye tony's and eddie's minutes) in the playoffs you have 240 minutes to allocate. in the regular season, you try to put only 30-34 on your starters. come playoff time, those minutes should increse.

its simple math with starters going closer to 40, minutes shrink, davis, eddie, and espcaelly tony are the logical choices to not get those minutes they got when starters and posey were playing less.

Eddie has a case to play a bit more, for sure. tony's play all season didn't warrent playoff minutes. you cannot play in meangiful games averaging a 5-1 TO/A ratio. Its nothing against tony, but he should be used as he is, as a defenisve speclist who getss 4-5 minutes a game max.

[KJ33]

For the team to play it's best, Ray Allen needs to be on the floor, and he needs good shots.



House and Tony are specialists now.  All minutes at the 2 and 3 should go to Pierce, Ray and Posey.  With the exception of foul trouble, injury, or less then 24 seconds in the quarter, House and Tony shouldn't be on the floor. 

Agreed.  No less an expert than Doug Collins, who is by far my favorite NBA analyst, continuously debunks what most people think about the bench's importance in the playoffs.  The way he sees it, the real value in having a deep bench, is to get through the grind of the regular season, keeping your starters fresh for the playoffs and from being overused in the regular season.  He is of the opinion that teams don't really need more than 7, 8 tops in the playoff rotation.  For the C's right now, that is Posey, Powe and Cassell.  I know many wish House would get Sam's minutes, but there is not room for both. Cassell is not playing any more than 15 minutes a game, and I think we as fans have to trust that Doc knows best what is right for his team, despite how passionate we are as fans and think even without inside access we know best who should play and who shouldn't.  I concur that House and Allen are specialists, along with BBD and PJ, only used for certain situations or matchups.

I always find it interesting, both at the beginning of the season and now, that many fans wish this one or that one would play more, but never consider how many total player minutes are actually available to be distributed.  The goal is not to have 10 guys each play 20 something minutes, especially in the playoffs.  The 5 starters are going to log the majority of the time, with 2-3 guys, tops, in the regular rotation.  This does not just go for the Celtics, but all the teams in the playoffs, including those who have been to the Finals in recent years.

[KJ33]

Getting sold on Sam is wrong, he had a few very bad fouls, reaching in and sort of being a hacker. He does not pass, he looks for his shots, he really isn't a point guard, a point guard is the set up man, who can score if no one is moving in his offense. He is playing like a shooting guard. The rotation i am talking about is Ray Allen vs Eddie House, if one isn't working, put in the other, as for Posey, good on D, yes, offense, hardly. Not much shot, never a layup or dunk........i like his grit, but we need points to. Eddie, for a points blast, that is all. It will also fire up Ray. No, you don't sit these guysw. And who said Tony Allen is a turn over machine, well the celts had 23 last night without him. It is matchups, different looks, different attacks, and fresh hungry players who are ready to do more!!!

what does their turnover stat last night have to do with tony allen avergaing a hellacious number of TO's and bad decisions all season? They don't realate to each other. including dumb fouls in the playoffs (joe smith shootign a three, off the ball foul on joe smith to send him to the line so far in limited time.) and his turnover problems, some of which come when he loses the dribble for no appernt reason, his minutes need to shorten up. And, he did play 5 minutes last night.


Tony's a good kid, but you can't play all 12 guys come playoff time. the starters minutes go up, and someones go down. The guy who turns the ball over faster than ive seen a SG ever do is a good choice to see reduced minutes.

Eddie on the other hand, doc should be finding 2-3 minutes a night for, somehow. Ray is currently the only starter averaging 42+ in the playoffs, i'd have no problem with running eddie out there for 3-4 minutes and get ray some rest, but apparently doc has decided against that.

Because House can't cover 2's, plain and simple.  This is the best defensive team in the league, yet so many never think of this aspect when they want House to sub for Allen.  Eddie has never been able to, and still cannot cover 2's in the NBA, so his only option to play is as a "shooting" 1.  Doc has apparently decided that Sam is a better 10-15 minute backup right now for Rondo at the 1, for better or worse, but Eddie is not all of the sudden going to start playing at the 2 because he can shoot, defense is what wins in the playoffs, and it is not as if Sam has no outside game at all, so him playing the backup at 1, in very limited minutes, doesn't take away much if anything of what House was providing. 

[crownsy]

i agree about doc thinking sam's the man at point, but to base it on defense is laughable. Sam can't cover his chair on the bench right now, he awful at keeping gaurds in front of him.

Eddie might not be the best defender around, but he doesn't get blown by on a regular basis like sam does.

[BudweiserCeltic]

i agree about doc thinking sam's the man at point, but to base it on defense is laughable. Sam can't cover his chair on the bench right now, he awful at keeping gaurds in front of him.

Eddie might not be the best defender around, but he doesn't get blown by on a regular basis like sam does.

Sam has been quite good defensively in the last couple of games, this is a tired argument based on reputation rather on performance.  And Eddie not being able to defend has nothing to do with Sam, since the response was towards Eddie playing the as a SG.

[AmericanFear]

i agree about doc thinking sam's the man at point, but to base it on defense is laughable. Sam can't cover his chair on the bench right now, he awful at keeping gaurds in front of him.

Eddie might not be the best defender around, but he doesn't get blown by on a regular basis like sam does.

Sam has been quite good defensively in the last couple of games, this is a tired argument based on reputation rather on performance.  And Eddie not being able to defend has nothing to do with Sam, since the response was towards Eddie playing the as a SG.

I hate to revive old topics but i was thinking about this and just had to respond.
Eddie House went to Arizona State where he currently holds the record for career field goals, points, and yes, steals. And in 1999 he was averaging 23 points a game! House also set a single-game Arizona State record with 61-points.

Now, i realize hes not in college anymore and is 30 years old so his game has gone down about but you cannot deny that he is a great bench player and he deserves more minutes than he is getting.

oh yeah: House also set a record with 18 made free throws in 19 attempts. And he is one of only three players to average in double figures in four consecutive seasons at Arizona State since it joined the Pac-10

As a guy who grew up in boston, and now goes to Arizona State, i am a huge eddie house fan and i would love to see him out on the court more often. (not that it matters since im not so confident his contract is gonna get renewed)

[Bahku]

To re-phrase this thread, I say please, don't play Tony, but DO play Eddie and Leon ... they've shown that they can produce in the playoffs, and not playing them makes no sense whatsoever.

Also, the argument that Sam kills the offense is absolutely true, and that's why so many of us here keep saying it. Do you honestly think we're all that wrong about it? Many of those who are now echoing this sentiment, were major Cassell supporters when he came, so I don't think it's all just some kind of conspiracy or agenda. This team needs to run, and Sam can't do that ... period.

[thedawg]

I find it highly unrespectful to treat Tony Allen and Eddie House as Doc has done so far.  When Sam Cassell and PJ Brown came to Boston, I never realised that PJ Brown would be contributing more than Cassell, in fact Cassell isn´t producing anything at all, only keeping Eddie House away from the team. 
Against Lakers, we are definitely going to have guys giving Bryant a tough time (which seems impossible!) and I somehow have the feeling that Tony Allen and Eddie House will be used against Lakers.  If we are not going to see them play against Lakers then I´d definitely understand if they would want a trade during the summer no matter if they win a ring or not.  You just can´t treat players like this after they have helped the team get to the playoffs with the best record, you just can´t omit them from the team like this.  Let´s hope Doc Rivers will show up as Mr. Hyde in the Finals series and leaves Dr. Jekyll at home because we really need good coaching decisions.  His role with the team this year was to get to the Finals which he has done.  Now it´s time to finish it off or face the sack.