Did C's drop the ball this off-season?

[DefenseWinsChamps]

It's difficult to see the path forward with previous season's gameplans, but if Mazz is able to retool, we may be better this year.

The ball consistently stopped with Brown. The offense didn't move as smoothly. If George fits that position but keeps the ball moving and shoots a bit better, all the players may benefit with their efficiency - Pritchard, Tatum, and White especially, but the role players as well.

Plus, it seems like we are doubling down on rim runners with two of the best screeners/offensive rebounders/rim runners in the NBA. That is going to shift our offense away from what we had with Horford and Zinger in the past. Second chance points may mean higher efficiency on kickouts for our guy stoo.

Less one-on-one, more ball movement, maybe even more threes, and more shots at the rim. Although I don't think it will be the bad threes that we've come to hate (like Brown iso threes). If the ball is moving the way I think it might, it may be beautiful basketball to watch.

I'm curious what our defense looks like. I'm hoping Hugo can take a huge step forward as a defensive stopper this year. We should have real rim protectors/rebounders inside for the full 48 minutes for the first time in a while. We've also invested in guys like Walsh and RHJ, who it I think could trend into being real defensive menaces, especially next to versatile guys like Tatum, George, and White.

I think our brand of basketball shifts a bit this season, and I think they will be more enjoyable to watch. Whether they will be more effective or not in the playoffs remains to be seen, but as many have pointed out, our brand of basketball/offense had not worked with Brown for 3 of the past 4 seasons. A shift was needed. I don't think we expected that to require Brown to be in a different color jersey, but management did.

Overall, I know a lot of fans hate the moves, but I'm looking forward to watching this team more than did either of the past two off-seasons. I'm looking forward to the new play style, limited isos, more ball movement, and more development from the young guys.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

Lebron did NOT sign in Philly because of JB. He signed because of Maxey. If we kept JB, I doubt he would have signed in Boston.

He signed in Philly because of Brown and Maxey.  Shams reported that LeBron became interested after they got Brown.

I agree LeBron wouldn't have signed here, with the possible exception of us acquiring Giannis.  But, Brad made a poor trade to a division rival, which directly lead to that division rival becoming a contender.

Is Boston currently better than it was before the trade? No.  Is Boston closer to winning a title in the foreseeable future?  No.

agreed. could not have said it better.

[Goldstar88]

If Philly wins a championship this season, should Brad get a ring?

[Neurotic Guy]

Lebron did NOT sign in Philly because of JB. He signed because of Maxey. If we kept JB, I doubt he would have signed in Boston.

He signed in Philly because of Brown and Maxey.  Shams reported that LeBron became interested after they got Brown.

I agree LeBron wouldn't have signed here, with the possible exception of us acquiring Giannis.  But, Brad made a poor trade to a division rival, which directly lead to that division rival becoming a contender.

Is Boston currently better than it was before the trade? No.  Is Boston closer to winning a title in the foreseeable future?  No.

agreed. could not have said it better.

On paper, Boston may not be better than beforeu the trade, but definitely better than a year ago.  And they aren?t close to a title, though theyre closer than most teams. Brad either transforms them into a contender in the next 20 months or he takes the blame for blowing up the Jays without a good enough plan. I?m not without hope.

[slightly biased bias fan]

I do not think enough has been made of what recent moves by the front office have done.

The Celtics window as a title contender is essentially over.

Stevens has said there is no post Paul George trade coming. Other than a fringe move here and there, this is the Celtics team.

Derrick White is 32 years old and our second best player. White has maybe two years worth of elite production left in him, after which he will hit another phase of his career. None of the younger Celtics players are anywhere near ready to contribute to a contender. So the Celtics will only have Tatum as a guaranteed elite player after the next couple of seasons.

Paul Pierce was 29 when the Celtics traded for Ray Allen & Kevin Garnett, Tatum will be 29 in March next year. Pierce already had Rajon Rondo, Kendrick Perkins & Tony Allen, where is that established young star core for Tatum? Where are the pieces that Stevens could flip for multiple established stars? They only exist in theory.

I am sorry to say but that horrendous Brown trade was the end of contention for a long time. What is ever scarier is that the next TWO drafts are viewed as either weak or extremely weak. Talk about timing.

[Phantom255x]

Even after reading all the posts, theories and articles online regarding the Jaylen Brown situation and the logic behind it, I still don't get why they had to make the Jaylen Brown trade as early as they did. Even if the situation had soured, Jaylen himself never demanded a trade and they could have held on to him and hoped another team would potentially bid on him in July.

I'd also argue that by keeping Jaylen, maybe Lebron doesn't even go to Philly with George/Maxey/Embiid and he goes elsewhere like Golden State. Instead, the C's made that awful trade with Philly and basically handed them Jaylen AND Lebron.

There wasn't any sort of deadline to make a deal and as we saw, it didn't even involve any draft capital from this season. So again, even besides the actual trade itself and return, what was the rush to make that deal with Philly?

Yes, they did drop the ball on this whole saga and I'm now a bit skeptical of Brad and Chisolm. These guys will get pestered with questions and critiques from the media and fans over the next year and it's deserved, just doing that press conference a few weeks ago doesn't suddenly make the drama go away.

Even if they have a good regular season, who has any hope they'll make a run? Mind you, they literally lost to this Sixers team last year in the first round of the playoffs and that team added our 2nd best player AND Lebron.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

I do not think enough has been made of what recent moves by the front office have done.

The Celtics window as a title contender is essentially over.

Stevens has said there is no post Paul George trade coming. Other than a fringe move here and there, this is the Celtics team.

Derrick White is 32 years old and our second best player. White has maybe two years worth of elite production left in him, after which he will hit another phase of his career. None of the younger Celtics players are anywhere near ready to contribute to a contender. So the Celtics will only have Tatum as a guaranteed elite player after the next couple of seasons.

Paul Pierce was 29 when the Celtics traded for Ray Allen & Kevin Garnett, Tatum will be 29 in March next year. Pierce already had Rajon Rondo, Kendrick Perkins & Tony Allen, where is that established young star core for Tatum? Where are the pieces that Stevens could flip for multiple established stars? They only exist in theory.

I am sorry to say but that horrendous Brown trade was the end of contention for a long time. What is ever scarier is that the next TWO drafts are viewed as either weak or extremely weak. Talk about timing.

you do not get multiple chances or perfect timing to get players like greek freak. jayson tatum's contention may be over for good. no star is gonna be standing around waiting on a trade to us in 2 years. this whole thing is sickening and maddening.





 

[Goldstar88]

Even after reading all the posts, theories and articles online regarding the Jaylen Brown situation and the logic behind it, I still don't get why they had to make the Jaylen Brown trade as early as they did. Even if the situation had soured, Jaylen himself never demanded a trade and they could have held on to him and hoped another team would potentially bid on him in July.

I'd also argue that by keeping Jaylen, maybe Lebron doesn't even go to Philly with George/Maxey/Embiid and he goes elsewhere like Golden State. Instead, the C's made that awful trade with Philly and basically handed them Jaylen AND Lebron.

There wasn't any sort of deadline to make a deal and as we saw, it didn't even involve any draft capital from this season. So again, even besides the actual trade itself and return, what was the rush to make that deal with Philly?

Yes, they did drop the ball on this whole saga and I'm now a bit skeptical of Brad and Chisolm. These guys will get pestered with questions and critiques from the media and fans over the next year and it's deserved, just doing that press conference a few weeks ago doesn't suddenly make the drama go away.

Even if they have a good regular season, who has any hope they'll make a run? Mind you, they literally lost to this Sixers team last year in the first round of the playoffs and that team added our 2nd best player AND Lebron.

The only thing that makes sense is if JB was telling teams through his agent that he was not interested in going to their organization. There were several reports of this. So if that was the case, Brad had to pull the trigger and keep JB out of the loop. Based on Browns comments about things going left in terms of communication with the Celtics,  it sounds like that is what Stevens did.

[Roy H.]

Even after reading all the posts, theories and articles online regarding the Jaylen Brown situation and the logic behind it, I still don't get why they had to make the Jaylen Brown trade as early as they did. Even if the situation had soured, Jaylen himself never demanded a trade and they could have held on to him and hoped another team would potentially bid on him in July.

I'd also argue that by keeping Jaylen, maybe Lebron doesn't even go to Philly with George/Maxey/Embiid and he goes elsewhere like Golden State. Instead, the C's made that awful trade with Philly and basically handed them Jaylen AND Lebron.

There wasn't any sort of deadline to make a deal and as we saw, it didn't even involve any draft capital from this season. So again, even besides the actual trade itself and return, what was the rush to make that deal with Philly?

Yes, they did drop the ball on this whole saga and I'm now a bit skeptical of Brad and Chisolm. These guys will get pestered with questions and critiques from the media and fans over the next year and it's deserved, just doing that press conference a few weeks ago doesn't suddenly make the drama go away.

Even if they have a good regular season, who has any hope they'll make a run? Mind you, they literally lost to this Sixers team last year in the first round of the playoffs and that team added our 2nd best player AND Lebron.

The only thing that makes sense is if JB was basically telling teams through his agent that he was not interested in going to their organization. There were several reports of this. So if that was the case, Brad had to pull the trigger and keep JB out of the loop. Based on Browns comments it sounds like that is what Stevens did.

I don't think there's any *sourced* reports, just vague speculation.  The sourced reports say that 1) JB didn't ask for a trade at any point, but 2) was okay with going to Milwaukee, and 3) Brad's asking price scared off multiple teams which pivoted to other deals.

Brad simply failed as a negotiator, and when their was only one suitor left, he took a bad deal instead of no deal.

[radiohead]

Even after reading all the posts, theories and articles online regarding the Jaylen Brown situation and the logic behind it, I still don't get why they had to make the Jaylen Brown trade as early as they did. Even if the situation had soured, Jaylen himself never demanded a trade and they could have held on to him and hoped another team would potentially bid on him in July.

I'd also argue that by keeping Jaylen, maybe Lebron doesn't even go to Philly with George/Maxey/Embiid and he goes elsewhere like Golden State. Instead, the C's made that awful trade with Philly and basically handed them Jaylen AND Lebron.

There wasn't any sort of deadline to make a deal and as we saw, it didn't even involve any draft capital from this season. So again, even besides the actual trade itself and return, what was the rush to make that deal with Philly?

Yes, they did drop the ball on this whole saga and I'm now a bit skeptical of Brad and Chisolm. These guys will get pestered with questions and critiques from the media and fans over the next year and it's deserved, just doing that press conference a few weeks ago doesn't suddenly make the drama go away.

Even if they have a good regular season, who has any hope they'll make a run? Mind you, they literally lost to this Sixers team last year in the first round of the playoffs and that team added our 2nd best player AND Lebron.

I think Brad just did not like to have the JB extension problem and decided to make it another team?s problem. That was his ?deadline?. If he waited til July he either gives JB the extension or not. With no extension, there was the possibility of JB saying he was disrespected, etc. A disgruntled JB would have signaled to other teams that Boston would be desperate to get rid of him, and thus probably getting lowball offers? I?m not a fan of what we got for JB but I think this was Brad?s thinking. It?s just sad that we got only 1 championship during the Jays era because it was inevitable that we would have to break this tandem up sooner rather than later.

[Goldstar88]

Even after reading all the posts, theories and articles online regarding the Jaylen Brown situation and the logic behind it, I still don't get why they had to make the Jaylen Brown trade as early as they did. Even if the situation had soured, Jaylen himself never demanded a trade and they could have held on to him and hoped another team would potentially bid on him in July.

I'd also argue that by keeping Jaylen, maybe Lebron doesn't even go to Philly with George/Maxey/Embiid and he goes elsewhere like Golden State. Instead, the C's made that awful trade with Philly and basically handed them Jaylen AND Lebron.

There wasn't any sort of deadline to make a deal and as we saw, it didn't even involve any draft capital from this season. So again, even besides the actual trade itself and return, what was the rush to make that deal with Philly?

Yes, they did drop the ball on this whole saga and I'm now a bit skeptical of Brad and Chisolm. These guys will get pestered with questions and critiques from the media and fans over the next year and it's deserved, just doing that press conference a few weeks ago doesn't suddenly make the drama go away.

Even if they have a good regular season, who has any hope they'll make a run? Mind you, they literally lost to this Sixers team last year in the first round of the playoffs and that team added our 2nd best player AND Lebron.

The only thing that makes sense is if JB was basically telling teams through his agent that he was not interested in going to their organization. There were several reports of this. So if that was the case, Brad had to pull the trigger and keep JB out of the loop. Based on Browns comments it sounds like that is what Stevens did.

I don't think there's any *sourced* reports, just vague speculation.  The sourced reports say that 1) JB didn't ask for a trade at any point, but 2) was okay with going to Milwaukee, and 3) Brad's asking price scared off multiple teams which pivoted to other deals.

Brad simply failed as a negotiator, and when their was only one suitor left, he took a bad deal instead of no deal.

I believe Lowe. I think Brad tried to do right by JB by keeping him informed and it backfired. I don?t think Jaylen wanted to leave Boston.

According to reports from NBA insiders like Zach Lowe and ClutchPoints, Jaylen Brown's camp gave intel to multiple teams that he was not interested in joining them, effectively steering potential suitors away from the bidding

[Roy H.]

Even after reading all the posts, theories and articles online regarding the Jaylen Brown situation and the logic behind it, I still don't get why they had to make the Jaylen Brown trade as early as they did. Even if the situation had soured, Jaylen himself never demanded a trade and they could have held on to him and hoped another team would potentially bid on him in July.

I'd also argue that by keeping Jaylen, maybe Lebron doesn't even go to Philly with George/Maxey/Embiid and he goes elsewhere like Golden State. Instead, the C's made that awful trade with Philly and basically handed them Jaylen AND Lebron.

There wasn't any sort of deadline to make a deal and as we saw, it didn't even involve any draft capital from this season. So again, even besides the actual trade itself and return, what was the rush to make that deal with Philly?

Yes, they did drop the ball on this whole saga and I'm now a bit skeptical of Brad and Chisolm. These guys will get pestered with questions and critiques from the media and fans over the next year and it's deserved, just doing that press conference a few weeks ago doesn't suddenly make the drama go away.

Even if they have a good regular season, who has any hope they'll make a run? Mind you, they literally lost to this Sixers team last year in the first round of the playoffs and that team added our 2nd best player AND Lebron.

The only thing that makes sense is if JB was basically telling teams through his agent that he was not interested in going to their organization. There were several reports of this. So if that was the case, Brad had to pull the trigger and keep JB out of the loop. Based on Browns comments it sounds like that is what Stevens did.

I don't think there's any *sourced* reports, just vague speculation.  The sourced reports say that 1) JB didn't ask for a trade at any point, but 2) was okay with going to Milwaukee, and 3) Brad's asking price scared off multiple teams which pivoted to other deals.

Brad simply failed as a negotiator, and when their was only one suitor left, he took a bad deal instead of no deal.

I believe Lowe. I think Brad tried to do right by JB by keeping him informed and it backfired. I don?t think Jaylen wanted to leave Boston.

According to reports from NBA insiders like Zach Lowe and ClutchPoints, Jaylen Brown's camp gave intel to multiple teams that he was not interested in joining them, effectively steering potential suitors away from the bidding

First, Zach Lowe has never had many sources at all. But second, did you read his report? It wasn't sourced..

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"I think there were at least one or two other teams who might have been interested in Jaylen Brown and who got intel that Jaylen Brown wasn't interested in them and to maybe stay out of the bidding. I think Boston felt the circle closing," Lowe said.

That's an opinion / guess, not a report.

[tenn_smoothie]

This is so depressing. Added to the roster problems is the issue of our incompetent head coach.

Will we ever know the truth about the meager return we got for Jaylen Brown ?

[Goldstar88]

Even after reading all the posts, theories and articles online regarding the Jaylen Brown situation and the logic behind it, I still don't get why they had to make the Jaylen Brown trade as early as they did. Even if the situation had soured, Jaylen himself never demanded a trade and they could have held on to him and hoped another team would potentially bid on him in July.

I'd also argue that by keeping Jaylen, maybe Lebron doesn't even go to Philly with George/Maxey/Embiid and he goes elsewhere like Golden State. Instead, the C's made that awful trade with Philly and basically handed them Jaylen AND Lebron.

There wasn't any sort of deadline to make a deal and as we saw, it didn't even involve any draft capital from this season. So again, even besides the actual trade itself and return, what was the rush to make that deal with Philly?

Yes, they did drop the ball on this whole saga and I'm now a bit skeptical of Brad and Chisolm. These guys will get pestered with questions and critiques from the media and fans over the next year and it's deserved, just doing that press conference a few weeks ago doesn't suddenly make the drama go away.

Even if they have a good regular season, who has any hope they'll make a run? Mind you, they literally lost to this Sixers team last year in the first round of the playoffs and that team added our 2nd best player AND Lebron.

The only thing that makes sense is if JB was basically telling teams through his agent that he was not interested in going to their organization. There were several reports of this. So if that was the case, Brad had to pull the trigger and keep JB out of the loop. Based on Browns comments it sounds like that is what Stevens did.

I don't think there's any *sourced* reports, just vague speculation.  The sourced reports say that 1) JB didn't ask for a trade at any point, but 2) was okay with going to Milwaukee, and 3) Brad's asking price scared off multiple teams which pivoted to other deals.

Brad simply failed as a negotiator, and when their was only one suitor left, he took a bad deal instead of no deal.

I believe Lowe. I think Brad tried to do right by JB by keeping him informed and it backfired. I don?t think Jaylen wanted to leave Boston.

According to reports from NBA insiders like Zach Lowe and ClutchPoints, Jaylen Brown's camp gave intel to multiple teams that he was not interested in joining them, effectively steering potential suitors away from the bidding

First, Zach Lowe has never had many sources at all. But second, did you read his report? It wasn't sourced..

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"I think there were at least one or two other teams who might have been interested in Jaylen Brown and who got intel that Jaylen Brown wasn't interested in them and to maybe stay out of the bidding. I think Boston felt the circle closing," Lowe said.

That's an opinion / guess, not a report.

Brett Siegel, the NBA insider with ClutchPoints, also confirmed that the Trail Blazers were one of the teams that Brown refused to join.

Throughout this process, Brown was being informed by the Celtics which teams had interest in him. At the same time, Brown made it clear whether or not he held interest in playing for certain teams. In talks with the Hornets, among other teams like New Orleans and Brooklyn, Brown made it clear he did not want to be traded there, which added another layer of confusion for the Celtics to all of these trade talks.

[Neurotic Guy]

I do not think enough has been made of what recent moves by the front office have done.

The Celtics window as a title contender is essentially over.

Stevens has said there is no post Paul George trade coming. Other than a fringe move here and there, this is the Celtics team.

Derrick White is 32 years old and our second best player. White has maybe two years worth of elite production left in him, after which he will hit another phase of his career. None of the younger Celtics players are anywhere near ready to contribute to a contender. So the Celtics will only have Tatum as a guaranteed elite player after the next couple of seasons.

Paul Pierce was 29 when the Celtics traded for Ray Allen & Kevin Garnett, Tatum will be 29 in March next year. Pierce already had Rajon Rondo, Kendrick Perkins & Tony Allen, where is that established young star core for Tatum? Where are the pieces that Stevens could flip for multiple established stars? They only exist in theory.

I am sorry to say but that horrendous Brown trade was the end of contention for a long time. What is ever scarier is that the next TWO drafts are viewed as either weak or extremely weak. Talk about timing.

I?d count them out this year but it remains to be seen what happens with PGs contract. And if 2028 becomes a top pick even weak drafts (and it?s too early to tell anyway) usually have some top 5 value.  And I may have misunderstood but I think you referred to Rondo, Perk, and TA as a star core (sorry if I got that wrong)? If I got that right, sorry but that bar can be reached this year.  I?ll take Q or Robinson over Perk; PP and Rondo are a wash; and Celtics TA is hovering not too far from a handful of our young wings.