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Re: Welcome to Boston Paul George
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Teams had traded Paul George for;

SGA
Jaylen Brown
Sabonis
Oladipo
Gallinari

7 first round picks & 4 swap firsts

I was listening to a podcast. 2 guys. 1 is a PG13 defender. He made the case for why PG13 can help BOS more than they think. The other guy responds by asking - how many times have you made this case for PG13? He replies - every time he has been trade. The other guy asks - has it ever worked out?

The PG13 defender was kinda. The other guy wasn't having it. Essentially we make this case for PG13 every time he moves and never delivers. He never lives up to what is needed of him. It always ends in failure. And with PG13 getting shipped to another team down the road.

It's true. The closest he was at in his peak were those days with the Pacers where he was battling against Miami's Big 3 and then Lebron's Cavaliers. Since then, it's been a lot of projection and hope. I really thought he had a chance to make a difference with Kawhi in LAC, but it just never happened primarily due to injuries to both guys and a little bit of playoff underperforming as well.

We must not forget the Haywardesque injury in there.  He recovered way better, but never quite got back to his pre-injury peak, and obviously it has had some cascading effects.  Honestly I am impressed he is playing at the level he is a dozen years later.

I'll fully admit, I did forget about that. It definitely impacted his career, but to his credit he's still been a great player since, even if he never reached the level he was before it.

If George was still around 32-34 I'd have some more hope, but I just don't see it at 36 and also, he's been unreliable from a health/availability standpoint the last 3 seasons and 25 of the games were also from serving a suspension. Banking on him to give them 60+ games doesn't seem ideal, although it probably doesn't matter since this team isn't' contending next year anyways
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Re: Welcome to Boston Paul George
« Reply #16 on: Yesterday at 11:48:54 PM »

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Teams had traded Paul George for;

SGA
Jaylen Brown
Sabonis
Oladipo
Gallinari

7 first round picks & 4 swap firsts

I was listening to a podcast. 2 guys. 1 is a PG13 defender. He made the case for why PG13 can help BOS more than they think. The other guy responds by asking - how many times have you made this case for PG13? He replies - every time he has been trade. The other guy asks - has it ever worked out?

The PG13 defender was kinda. The other guy wasn't having it. Essentially we make this case for PG13 every time he moves and never delivers. He never lives up to what is needed of him. It always ends in failure. And with PG13 getting shipped to another team down the road.

It's true. The closest he was at in his peak were those days with the Pacers where he was battling against Miami's Big 3 and then Lebron's Cavaliers. Since then, it's been a lot of projection and hope. I really thought he had a chance to make a difference with Kawhi in LAC, but it just never happened primarily due to injuries to both guys and a little bit of playoff underperforming as well.

We must not forget the Haywardesque injury in there.  He recovered way better, but never quite got back to his pre-injury peak, and obviously it has had some cascading effects.  Honestly I am impressed he is playing at the level he is a dozen years later.

I'll fully admit, I did forget about that. It definitely impacted his career, but to his credit he's still been a great player since, even if he never reached the level he was before it.

If George was still around 32-34 I'd have some more hope, but I just don't see it at 36 and also, he's been unreliable from a health/availability standpoint the last 3 seasons and 25 of the games were also from serving a suspension. Banking on him to give them 60+ games doesn't seem ideal, although it probably doesn't matter since this team isn't' contending next year anyways

Call me a hopeless optimist but I think we?ll spend much of the year as the top seed in the East and finish first or second (IF Paul George can give us 60-ish games).

Tatum will hopefully be better than the last two months of last season.  White will hopefully play better by not being our #2 option.  PP will get more playing time.  Our center position is vastly, vastly improved. And Paul George will be the smarter basketball player than Jaylen and actually improve the team.

That?s the hope at least.

Re: Welcome to Boston Paul George
« Reply #17 on: Today at 03:37:43 AM »

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Teams had traded Paul George for;

SGA
Jaylen Brown
Sabonis
Oladipo
Gallinari

7 first round picks & 4 swap firsts

I was listening to a podcast. 2 guys. 1 is a PG13 defender. He made the case for why PG13 can help BOS more than they think. The other guy responds by asking - how many times have you made this case for PG13? He replies - every time he has been trade. The other guy asks - has it ever worked out?

The PG13 defender was kinda. The other guy wasn't having it. Essentially we make this case for PG13 every time he moves and never delivers. He never lives up to what is needed of him. It always ends in failure. And with PG13 getting shipped to another team down the road.

It's true. The closest he was at in his peak were those days with the Pacers where he was battling against Miami's Big 3 and then Lebron's Cavaliers. Since then, it's been a lot of projection and hope. I really thought he had a chance to make a difference with Kawhi in LAC, but it just never happened primarily due to injuries to both guys and a little bit of playoff underperforming as well.

We must not forget the Haywardesque injury in there.  He recovered way better, but never quite got back to his pre-injury peak, and obviously it has had some cascading effects.  Honestly I am impressed he is playing at the level he is a dozen years later.

I'll fully admit, I did forget about that. It definitely impacted his career, but to his credit he's still been a great player since, even if he never reached the level he was before it.

If George was still around 32-34 I'd have some more hope, but I just don't see it at 36 and also, he's been unreliable from a health/availability standpoint the last 3 seasons and 25 of the games were also from serving a suspension. Banking on him to give them 60+ games doesn't seem ideal, although it probably doesn't matter since this team isn't' contending next year anyways

Call me a hopeless optimist but I think we?ll spend much of the year as the top seed in the East and finish first or second (IF Paul George can give us 60-ish games).

Tatum will hopefully be better than the last two months of last season.  White will hopefully play better by not being our #2 option.  PP will get more playing time.  Our center position is vastly, vastly improved. And Paul George will be the smarter basketball player than Jaylen and actually improve the team.

That?s the hope at least.

Giving the C's too much credit being a top seed in the East.

Indiana will be healthy so they'll be a top 2 team in the East. Knicks are the defending champs and are right back in it. 76ers just vastly improved with their new addition so they're likely a 3 seed.

Detroit will make some improvements so they'll be back in the mix. Miami got their new duo in Giannis/Bam. Toronto got somewhat better with Kawhi.

That leaves the Celtics with the 7 or 8 seed with this roster currently as constructed.


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Re: Welcome to Boston Paul George
« Reply #18 on: Today at 04:35:23 AM »

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Teams had traded Paul George for;

SGA
Jaylen Brown
Sabonis
Oladipo
Gallinari

7 first round picks & 4 swap firsts

I was listening to a podcast. 2 guys. 1 is a PG13 defender. He made the case for why PG13 can help BOS more than they think. The other guy responds by asking - how many times have you made this case for PG13? He replies - every time he has been trade. The other guy asks - has it ever worked out?

The PG13 defender was kinda. The other guy wasn't having it. Essentially we make this case for PG13 every time he moves and never delivers. He never lives up to what is needed of him. It always ends in failure. And with PG13 getting shipped to another team down the road.

It's true. The closest he was at in his peak were those days with the Pacers where he was battling against Miami's Big 3 and then Lebron's Cavaliers. Since then, it's been a lot of projection and hope. I really thought he had a chance to make a difference with Kawhi in LAC, but it just never happened primarily due to injuries to both guys and a little bit of playoff underperforming as well.

We must not forget the Haywardesque injury in there.  He recovered way better, but never quite got back to his pre-injury peak, and obviously it has had some cascading effects.  Honestly I am impressed he is playing at the level he is a dozen years later.

I'll fully admit, I did forget about that. It definitely impacted his career, but to his credit he's still been a great player since, even if he never reached the level he was before it.

If George was still around 32-34 I'd have some more hope, but I just don't see it at 36 and also, he's been unreliable from a health/availability standpoint the last 3 seasons and 25 of the games were also from serving a suspension. Banking on him to give them 60+ games doesn't seem ideal, although it probably doesn't matter since this team isn't' contending next year anyways

Call me a hopeless optimist but I think we?ll spend much of the year as the top seed in the East and finish first or second (IF Paul George can give us 60-ish games).

Tatum will hopefully be better than the last two months of last season.  White will hopefully play better by not being our #2 option.  PP will get more playing time.  Our center position is vastly, vastly improved. And Paul George will be the smarter basketball player than Jaylen and actually improve the team.

That?s the hope at least.

Giving the C's too much credit being a top seed in the East.

Indiana will be healthy so they'll be a top 2 team in the East. Knicks are the defending champs and are right back in it. 76ers just vastly improved with their new addition so they're likely a 3 seed.

Detroit will make some improvements so they'll be back in the mix. Miami got their new duo in Giannis/Bam. Toronto got somewhat better with Kawhi.

That leaves the Celtics with the 7 or 8 seed with this roster currently as constructed.

I am expecting BOS and DET to tussle for the #1 seed. Although in both cases I think their teams are built for regular season success and playoff failure. Much like last year.

Indiana look the best chance of breaking into that DET / BOS fight. They had something like 55 wins when they made the Finals. They also have some bedding in issues with Zubac.

Philly I don't expect to have a strong regular season record because Embiid will likely miss half the season as he has done for the last 2 years.

Cleveland I don't expect to be a strong regular season team either. I did not like what I saw from them in the playoffs. They looked old and slow and bad defensively. They have lost Dean Wade. I am expecting they will have periods during the regular season where they drop more games than expected due to an underperforming defense & struggles with team morale / motivation.

New York and Toronto are maybes. Toronto had 46 wins last year. Maybe 56 wins type of ball park next year? New York had 53 and 51 wins the last two seasons. Underachieving both years. Maybe they break that streak and play well enough to win a top 2 seed but more likely they underachieve again given that is what they have done in the last 2 years.

Re: Welcome to Boston Paul George
« Reply #19 on: Today at 05:04:19 AM »

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I think the truth is there is a lot of uncertainty about how things will shake out in the East.

I also think it is wise to throw a lot of the results from last year?s regular season out the window. There were so many teams who started tanking very early into the season. The Celtics capitalized off of that and, to their credit, did not suffer any downswings.

This year a lot for teams will actually be competing on a nightly basis. Even if this team ultimately is better on paper than the one last year, that is in no way a guarantee they will finish with just as good a record or in the same position standings wise.

I am envisioning a 5 or 6 seed at this point. I will be very happy if Tatum elevates his game, and carries the team to something better than that. But I am of the mind that Tatum is going to start picking his spots a lot more because the explosiveness post achilles will never be the same.

Re: Welcome to Boston Paul George
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Welcome, Paul, we are a good city for guys named Paul.

Re: Welcome to Boston Paul George
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Of course I will change my prediction if LeBron comes to Cleveland or Miami (I seriously doubt he?d come to Philly).

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If the team stays healthy,  a lineup of

White
Hugo
George
Tatum
Robinson

Will be one of the best in the league at defense.
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Big difference between the tone in terms of predictions between this year and last. A lot of posters were very down on the Cs roster a year ago, some predicting win totals in the 30?s.  This year there doesn?t seem to be much downplaying of the roster but predictions are of a stronger conference and therefore a lower seed. With the unlikely miracle of good health, I think this team should be top 3 or 4 in the East.  50 wins.  Entertainment will increase if the young?s continue to develop.

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A lot of gloom and doom on this thread. After the trade, Vegas still had as 4th in terms of winning a championship ? 2nd among teams in the east, ahead of a team like Philly.

Remember, we upgraded our forward slot from Jaylen Brown to Jayson Tatum. We upgraded our center position from just Queta to Robinson + Queta. We got some extra help in Paul George.

I think next year is going to be a good year for the Celtics. I can see the 2 seed being a reality.
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Of course I will change my prediction if LeBron comes to Cleveland or Miami (I seriously doubt he?d come to Philly).

He will go where ever the best stacked team is, I think.  Which is sad.

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« Reply #26 on: Today at 11:41:53 AM »

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Why Paul George has been a major question on these boards.  While we do not know the other offers the Celtics received, and who the other salaries included were, obviously they existed.  With draft picks that are underwhelming (although I would argue we are misevaluating the 2028 pick, and may start a separate thread on that), why would the Celtics have picked Paul George from all the other overpaid players they were certainly offered?

Firstly, he fits the Celtics well.  He plays the same position as JB.  He is a better 3-point shooter, which, like it or not, is clearly something the team values.  He is an active defender on the wing.  His 4.1 deflections per game last season was 8th in the NBA.  This was something Joe talked about wanting to get more of last season, and while they did, their increase from 14.1 to 15.2 deflections per game only brought them from 29th to 25th in the league.  JB only averaged 1.8 deflections per game.  This is not to say PG13 is better than JB, but in some of the aspects that are stressed in the Celtics game plan, George is better than JB, and it is very possible that he was also superior to other players the Celtics might have been offered (assuming similar draft compensation).

And then there are the on/off analytics.  Much has been written about them, but they deserve renewed emphasis here.  Jaylen Brown has a negative career on/off rating.  The Celtics, over his 10 years, have been 1.3 points per 100 possessions worse when he plays compared to when he does not.  Over the last four seasons, it has been even worse, at negative 4.2.  He has finished in negative territory in 7 of 10 seasons.

Paul George, meanwhile, has never once had a season in the red.  16 years, his team has always been better when he played (except one year with a 0 on/off).  That has been true across four teams, 7 head coaches, years where he missed time due to injury, years he was healthy and playing every game, his rookie year off the bench, you name it.  16 seasons, and not once has he finished below 0, while JB has done it 7 times.  PG13 has a career average of +7.4, something JB has exceeded only once in a season.  George had a +4.4 on/off last year, and + 4.2 the year before, which would both be top-3 seasons for Jaylen.  Even in his advanced age and diminished capacity, he has continued to have a positive impact on his teams. 

It is very possible the Celtics came to the conclusion that Paul George would help them about as much as Jaylen Brown next year.  Yes, George makes too much money for what he offers, but so did JB.  But if the dollars are going to be the same this year and next year, and the on court impact the same, then the draft compensation looks good.

That does not mean the Celtics are not looking to move George.  If they can find someone with a similar on-court impact for a smaller amount of money, then they will likely head that direction.    But as it stands, the Celtics may view PG13 as something of a lateral on-court move, and so at shorter money and more draft assets, it was the move to make.

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« Reply #27 on: Today at 01:59:18 PM »

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If the team stays healthy,  a lineup of

White
Hugo
George
Tatum
Robinson

Will be one of the best in the league at defense.

I'd love that starting lineup. (or with Queta starting).    One question, can Hugo start as a third big wing, or do they need to start someone else at SG?   I'd like it if they could start Hugo.  If someone wants to start ahead of him, let them play as hard as he does.

welcome to Boston Paul!   

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Bobby Marks: Paul George waived his $3.9M trade bonus, sources tell ESPN. His cap hit in Boston remains at $54.1M and $56.6M (P)
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Re: Welcome to Boston Paul George
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Bobby Marks: Paul George waived his $3.9M trade bonus, sources tell ESPN. His cap hit in Boston remains at $54.1M and $56.6M (P)
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Whoa, that was nice of you Paul George!  The Celtics are out of the tax.  Or, more accurately, will be once they waive Dalano Banton and his non-guaranteed salary.  They are otherwise about $300k over.