Shams: Kawhi to Raptors

[tonydelk]

Wonder if the C's can swoop in and trade PG and picks for Kawhi if this deal falls through or the Clippers don't want to wait.  Sending PG13 back there would be pretty funny.  Won't happen but would be funny. 

[Celtics4ever]

What is the obsession with all the old guys?

[Goldstar88]

What is the obsession with all the old guys?

Last season Kawhi Averaged 28pts/6rebs/4ast/2stls and he played in 65 games. Im guessing it?s because of that.

[Phantom255x]

Someone online joked that the USA is holding Kawhi hostage and keeping him away from Canada 

[Vermont Green]

Someone online joked that the USA is holding Kawhi hostage and keeping him away from Canada 

Trump intervened and wants a kick back or some other concession before he will allow it.

[Celtics4ever]

Last season Kawhi Averaged 28pts/6rebs/4ast/2stls and he played in 65 games. Im guessing it?s because of that.

Are you aware he is under investigation.   

The Kawhi Leonard-Aspiration Scandal, for those blessed enough to have avoided hearing about it, can be oversimplified as such: investigative reporter Pablo Torre alleged last September that Leonard had been paid $28 million through a fraudulent company (Aspiration) to do nothing, a sum which eventually rose to $48 million after additional reporting. Los Angeles Clippers owner Steve Ballmer had invested $50 million in the company, which has since gone bankrupt from a much larger fraud case, with Torre saying the ?no-show? deal was a massive circumvention of the salary cap.

https://defector.com/the-kawhi-leonard-investigation-is-now-holding-up-the-kawhi-leonard-trade

https://fansided.com/nba/the-nba-is-out-of-excuses-for-how-long-the-kawhi-leonard-investigation-has-taken

He could be banned any day possibly.

 He is also 35 and no man beats father time.

[jambr380]

Wonder if the C's can swoop in and trade PG and picks for Kawhi if this deal falls through or the Clippers don't want to wait.  Sending PG13 back there would be pretty funny.  Won't happen but would be funny.

I wonder if the Celtics can trick Toronto into thinking Paul George is an adequate replacement and get the package they were sending LAC. Hey, a man can hope right? I'd even settle for just one 1st and one swap. I'm a reasonable guy 

[Vermont Green]

Kawhi actually makes about $4M less than George plus is expiring after this season.  That said, do you really want to rent Kawhi for 1 season?  I guess if you could trade for him straight up for Paul George, sure, but that will never happen.  TOR gave up:

Ingram (a decent fringe all star player)
Gradey Dick (a useful player with some upside)
2-firsts (2031, 2033)
a first round swap (2027, which might net a lottery pick)
and a couple of seconds. 

This for a player who has both physical and emotional durability issues.

What is TOR going to get out of Kawhi, one good season?  How likely is it that he can go back to back full seasons of being the man?  And even if you do get that one good season out of him, then what?  Sign him to a max deal at age 36?  Line up some "endorsement" deals?

[Vermont Green]

Wonder if the C's can swoop in and trade PG and picks for Kawhi if this deal falls through or the Clippers don't want to wait.  Sending PG13 back there would be pretty funny.  Won't happen but would be funny.

I wonder if the Celtics can trick Toronto into thinking Paul George is an adequate replacement and get the package they were sending LAC. Hey, a man can hope right? I'd even settle for just one 1st and one swap. I'm a reasonable guy 

I know this is a rhetorical comment you are making, but my question is what TOR would have offered for Jaylen Brown.  Something similar?  Did TOR get the call from Brown's people and not offer much at all?  Would you like Ingram and those 2 firsts better than George and the 2 PHI picks (I know one is technically a swap).  Brown seems to fit TOR's timeline way better.

[Roy H.]

Wonder if the C's can swoop in and trade PG and picks for Kawhi if this deal falls through or the Clippers don't want to wait.  Sending PG13 back there would be pretty funny.  Won't happen but would be funny.

I wonder if the Celtics can trick Toronto into thinking Paul George is an adequate replacement and get the package they were sending LAC. Hey, a man can hope right? I'd even settle for just one 1st and one swap. I'm a reasonable guy 

I know this is a rhetorical comment you are making, but my question is what TOR would have offered for Jaylen Brown.  Something similar?  Did TOR get the call from Brown's people and not offer much at all?  Would you like Ingram and those 2 firsts better than George and the 2 PHI picks (I know one is technically a swap).  Brown seems to fit TOR's timeline way better.

I don't think there's any actual proof that Brown quashed deals.  It's guys from the Ringer saying "they think" -- which is different than "I heard from a credible source" - that might have happened, with no evidence.

I think Toronto wanted Kawhi, and focused on him.

[Goldstar88]

Last season Kawhi Averaged 28pts/6rebs/4ast/2stls and he played in 65 games. Im guessing it?s because of that.

Are you aware he is under investigation.   

The Kawhi Leonard-Aspiration Scandal, for those blessed enough to have avoided hearing about it, can be oversimplified as such: investigative reporter Pablo Torre alleged last September that Leonard had been paid $28 million through a fraudulent company (Aspiration) to do nothing, a sum which eventually rose to $48 million after additional reporting. Los Angeles Clippers owner Steve Ballmer had invested $50 million in the company, which has since gone bankrupt from a much larger fraud case, with Torre saying the ?no-show? deal was a massive circumvention of the salary cap.

https://defector.com/the-kawhi-leonard-investigation-is-now-holding-up-the-kawhi-leonard-trade

https://fansided.com/nba/the-nba-is-out-of-excuses-for-how-long-the-kawhi-leonard-investigation-has-taken

He could be banned any day possibly.

 He is also 35 and no man beats father time.

I?m aware as I?m sure the Raptors organization is as well. It will get swept. He is still a star player in the league.

[No Nickname]

I think the best punishment for the Clippers should be winning the lottery in 2028.... 

I'm surprised this post didn't result in any discussion.  This new lottery rule for the 2nd round is interesting.

It's not a true snake draft like in fantasy football, as the team with the #1 pick in the first round won't have the 60th pick overall for their 2nd round (instead it'll be #46).

But it will really mess around with a lot of existing "best of" deals regarding 2nd rounders that were negotiated under the previous lottery rules.




And forfeiting their 2027 picks... and their ability to sign free agents.   

Have to admit that the 2028 pick has some legs.  A miserable year from the Clips or the Sixers and we get a great pick.  I've been dreading the '28 pick swap with SA and will hate to see them get a good pick from us, but this new scenario softens that blow - maybe a lot.

Best case scenario both the Clips and Sixers finish from 4th worst to 10th worst and we have six ping pong balls bouncing around.

One new change in the rules that I just saw regarding second round picks that will add a wrinkle:

"The first 16 picks of the second round will be inverse of the lottery order."

So while we will still get the "best of" from multiple teams' picks for those second round picks from the Jaylen Brown trade, which include Milwaukee and Phoenix, just because they may have bad seasons it won't mean that their second round picks will be good (ex. 31 - 36).

So when we're watching the draft lottery, we'll want one of these teams in 2028 and 2030 to get the 16th pick in the 1st round.

If they do, they'll get the 1st pick in the second round which will convey to the Celtics.  The worst pick in the 1st round the better for us!

2028: the C's get the best of the second-round picks between the Golden State Warriors, Milwaukee Bucks, and Oklahoma City Thunder.

2030: the C's get the most favorable pick between the Phoenix Suns, Portland Trail Blazers, and Washington Wizards.

[No Nickname]

Have to admit that the 2028 pick has some legs.  A miserable year from the Clips or the Sixers and we get a great pick.  I've been dreading the '28 pick swap with SA and will hate to see them get a good pick from us, but this new scenario softens that blow - maybe a lot.

Best case scenario both the Clips and Sixers finish from 4th worst to 10th worst and we have six ping pong balls bouncing around.

One new change in the rules that I just saw regarding second round picks that will add a wrinkle:

"The first 16 picks of the second round will be inverse of the lottery order."

So while we will still get the "best of" from multiple teams' picks for those second round picks from the Jaylen Brown trade, which include Milwaukee and Phoenix, just because they may have bad seasons it won't mean that their second round picks will be good (ex. 31 - 36).

So when we're watching the draft lottery, we'll want one of these teams in 2028 and 2030 to get the 16th pick in the 1st round.

If they do, they'll get the 1st pick in the second round which will convey to the Celtics.  The worst pick in the 1st round the better for us!

2028: the C's get the best of the second-round picks between the Golden State Warriors, Milwaukee Bucks, and Oklahoma City Thunder.

2030: the C's get the most favorable pick between the Phoenix Suns, Portland Trail Blazers, and Washington Wizards.

I'm surprised this post didn't result in any discussion.  This new lottery rule for the 2nd round is interesting.

It's not a true snake draft like in fantasy football, as the team with the #1 pick in the first round won't have the 60th pick overall for their 2nd round (instead it'll be #46).

But it will really mess around with a lot of existing "best of" deals regarding 2nd rounders that were negotiated under the previous lottery rules.

[Celtics2021]

Have to admit that the 2028 pick has some legs.  A miserable year from the Clips or the Sixers and we get a great pick.  I've been dreading the '28 pick swap with SA and will hate to see them get a good pick from us, but this new scenario softens that blow - maybe a lot.

Best case scenario both the Clips and Sixers finish from 4th worst to 10th worst and we have six ping pong balls bouncing around.

One new change in the rules that I just saw regarding second round picks that will add a wrinkle:

"The first 16 picks of the second round will be inverse of the lottery order."

So while we will still get the "best of" from multiple teams' picks for those second round picks from the Jaylen Brown trade, which include Milwaukee and Phoenix, just because they may have bad seasons it won't mean that their second round picks will be good (ex. 31 - 36).

So when we're watching the draft lottery, we'll want one of these teams in 2028 and 2030 to get the 16th pick in the 1st round.

If they do, they'll get the 1st pick in the second round which will convey to the Celtics.  The worst pick in the 1st round the better for us!

2028: the C's get the best of the second-round picks between the Golden State Warriors, Milwaukee Bucks, and Oklahoma City Thunder.

2030: the C's get the most favorable pick between the Phoenix Suns, Portland Trail Blazers, and Washington Wizards.

I'm surprised this post didn't result in any discussion.  This new lottery rule for the 2nd round is interesting.

It's not a true snake draft like in fantasy football, as the team with the #1 pick in the first round won't have the 60th pick overall for their 2nd round (instead it'll be #46).

But it will really mess around with a lot of existing "best of" deals regarding 2nd rounders that were negotiated under the previous lottery rules.

It is interesting, but at the same time I am not sure how much impact it will have on the Celtics picks.  Maybe instead of the Bucks picking near the top it will be the Warriors. Because of the teams and the number of options, it seems pretty likely the Celtics will get a pick in the 31-37 range each of those two years.

[Celtics4ever]

I?m aware as I?m sure the Raptors organization is as well. It will get swept. He is still a star player in the league.

I hope it does not get swept away,   but you may be right how is not wrapped up in 11 months of investigation.  But both he and the team ought to be punished.