Time for a change?

[Neurotic Guy]

While I am done with the JB experience, there is just no interest in him around the league. He is not valued like Brad values him and you cannot give him away.

Let's face it...we are stuck with him and he is stuck in Boston. Need to try to make this a working relationship and both sides need to realize that they are in this position for at least 2 more seasons.

Do not think there will be an extension. But it is disheartening to see Brad make a mess of this. His failure to gauge JB's real value on the open market is concerning.

They are a better team with him than just selling low. Both sides suck it up and move forward.

Focus on the needs of this team...a big and a quick guard.

So many comments that are possibly incorrect.  But I?ll agree that they are a better team with him than selling low.

[keevsnick]

If the offers aren't there for JB just bring him back and play it out. The C's will be very good next year with a full era of Tatum + whomever they get with the MLE. 

If you aren't getting premium franchise changing draft assets back then taking a step back is simply not worth it.

[Roy H.]

I am definitely in the "full value or no trade" camp. 

Worst case, we have an All-NBA level player on a three year contract.  It's up to our savant of a coach to make that work.

The worst case if we trade him for poor value?  We become a team not good enough to contend, and we've got no serious assets to use to reload. 

[Donoghus]

I am definitely in the "full value or no trade" camp. 

Worst case, we have an All-NBA level player on a three year contract.  It's up to our savant of a coach to make that work.

The worst case if we trade him for poor value?  We become a team not good enough to contend, and we've got no serious assets to use to reload.

This. I've been JKJB throughout this whole process. I just don't see a scenario here where the team is better next season without Jaylen on this team.   Outside Giannis (which I was against anyways), the stuff that has been floated out there the past few weeks has been horrible in terms of return.   The eagerness of some people on here to move him is pretty ridiculous too.

[Phantom255x]

Timelord back to Portland

So is the plan for our front court basically just to run it back?? Come on Brad

[Neurotic Guy]

Timelord back to Portland

So is the plan for our front court basically just to run it back?? Come on Brad

Could Brad actually have prevented this? I wouldn?t want Rob anyway.

[jpotter33]

I am definitely in the "full value or no trade" camp. 

Worst case, we have an All-NBA level player on a three year contract.  It's up to our savant of a coach to make that work.

The worst case if we trade him for poor value?  We become a team not good enough to contend, and we've got no serious assets to use to reload.

What is ?full value? though? Value is relative to what someone will pay for him, and obviously our assessment of his value is not consistent with the market value. Given his contract, questionable advance stats, and his off court stuff - let alone what?s actually available right now - I think some Celtics fans overvalue JB and what he?s actually worth on the market.

[Celtics2021]

Timelord back to Portland

So is the plan for our front court basically just to run it back?? Come on Brad

Could Brad actually have prevented this? I wouldn?t want Rob anyway.

No, he could not have prevented this short of not trading Rob to Portland 3 years ago.  Portland and Rob came to an agreement during their exclusive negotiating window.

[Celtics2021]

I am definitely in the "full value or no trade" camp. 

Worst case, we have an All-NBA level player on a three year contract.  It's up to our savant of a coach to make that work.

The worst case if we trade him for poor value?  We become a team not good enough to contend, and we've got no serious assets to use to reload.

What is ?full value? though? Value is relative to what someone will pay for him, and obviously our assessment of his value is not consistent with the market value. Given his contract, questionable advance stats, and his off court stuff - let alone what?s actually available right now - I think some Celtics fans overvalue JB and what he?s actually worth on the market.

There is market value, and there is team value.  If what you receive on the market is less than the value he provides to the team, you do not make a trade.  If it is equal, it is a push.  And if it is more, then you make the trade.  Right now presumably the Celtics are only receiving offers that are less than what they value him at, so hence no deal.  If it remains that way, it just means he is more valuable to the Celtics.

[SparzWizard]

I am definitely in the "full value or no trade" camp. 

Worst case, we have an All-NBA level player on a three year contract.  It's up to our savant of a coach to make that work.

The worst case if we trade him for poor value?  We become a team not good enough to contend, and we've got no serious assets to use to reload.

What is ?full value? though? Value is relative to what someone will pay for him, and obviously our assessment of his value is not consistent with the market value. Given his contract, questionable advance stats, and his off court stuff - let alone what?s actually available right now - I think some Celtics fans overvalue JB and what he?s actually worth on the market.

There is market value, and there is team value.  If what you receive on the market is less than the value he provides to the team, you do not make a trade.  If it is equal, it is a push.  And if it is more, then you make the trade.  Right now presumably the Celtics are only receiving offers that are less than what they value him at, so hence no deal.  If it remains that way, it just means he is more valuable to the Celtics.

But does Jaylen Brown reciprocate and value the Celtics now is the tricky question.

Based on his social media "liking" certain comments and his tirade on Twitch, it seems unlikely he wants to return to Boston

[Roy H.]

I am definitely in the "full value or no trade" camp. 

Worst case, we have an All-NBA level player on a three year contract.  It's up to our savant of a coach to make that work.

The worst case if we trade him for poor value?  We become a team not good enough to contend, and we've got no serious assets to use to reload.

What is ?full value? though? Value is relative to what someone will pay for him, and obviously our assessment of his value is not consistent with the market value. Given his contract, questionable advance stats, and his off court stuff - let alone what?s actually available right now - I think some Celtics fans overvalue JB and what he?s actually worth on the market.

There is market value, and there is team value.  If what you receive on the market is less than the value he provides to the team, you do not make a trade.  If it is equal, it is a push.  And if it is more, then you make the trade.  Right now presumably the Celtics are only receiving offers that are less than what they value him at, so hence no deal.  If it remains that way, it just means he is more valuable to the Celtics.

But does Jaylen Brown reciprocate and value the Celtics now is the tricky question.

Based on his social media "liking" certain comments and his tirade on Twitch, it seems unlikely he wants to return to Boston

What is JB's alternative? 

[jambr380]

Timelord back to Portland

So is the plan for our front court basically just to run it back?? Come on Brad

Could Brad actually have prevented this? I wouldn?t want Rob anyway.

No, but we have watched Stewart and Claxton get moved for cap space basically. Having one of those two would greatly change our Center rotation. Nobody else available (for free) is anything other than a backup. Like, Vucevic might be the best FA center right now. Garza might be top 5 if he was available

[jpotter33]

I am definitely in the "full value or no trade" camp. 

Worst case, we have an All-NBA level player on a three year contract.  It's up to our savant of a coach to make that work.

The worst case if we trade him for poor value?  We become a team not good enough to contend, and we've got no serious assets to use to reload.

What is ?full value? though? Value is relative to what someone will pay for him, and obviously our assessment of his value is not consistent with the market value. Given his contract, questionable advance stats, and his off court stuff - let alone what?s actually available right now - I think some Celtics fans overvalue JB and what he?s actually worth on the market.

There is market value, and there is team value.  If what you receive on the market is less than the value he provides to the team, you do not make a trade.  If it is equal, it is a push.  And if it is more, then you make the trade.  Right now presumably the Celtics are only receiving offers that are less than what they value him at, so hence no deal.  If it remains that way, it just means he is more valuable to the Celtics.

Sure, but in addition to some fans I also think our own internal assessment of his value may be inflated, and maybe (hopefully?) we reassess after this reality check this summer, as the problem isn?t going to go away and only become more pressing the closer the extension/contract talks come. And we saw this year just how far away this team truly still is, with no foreseeable KP/Jrue moves on the horizon like we had in 2023.

I do think it ultimately comes down to Tatum. He?s been everything you want in a superstar throughout all the controversy with the Jays through the years, but at some point I think even he breaks and has enough of the constant controversy with his pairing with JB (that is also exacerbated by some of JB?s actions and statements). If he?s fine with JB coming back and making another go of it, then sure run it back and see if we can upgrade the margins while also rehabbing JB?s value (as much as we can). But I think we do ultimately have to consider that we may already be at that treadmill point - not good enough to truly compete as is but JB not having enough value on his own to change that course without further significant moves.