Time for a change?

[Phantom255x]

Heat Central: All I?ll say to you Greeny, if the Milwaukee Bucks go with the Celtics offer, Jaylen Brown will be in Milwaukee. @ShamsCharania says Jaylen Brown will be staying in MIL after a Giannis trade.

ShamsCharania I want to make this clear, whichever deal occurs, it?s going to be a one for one deal. It?s going to consist of MIL and one of these two teams. There?s no 3rd and 4th teams.

I would rather involve a 3rd team in this if it meant keeping Hugo. It seems the premise here is that it'd be just MIL-BOS, but the C's would also have to give up #27 and Hugo. Ultimately I'm fine giving up #27 and another asset like Hauser or Walsh, but not Hugo or Baylor.

[Goldstar88]

Brian Windhorst believes Jaylen Brown will be traded even if the Celtics miss on Giannis and is accepting that reality: I believe if the Bucks choose the Miami Heat offer, Jaylen Brown will get traded somewhere else. They are going to move on here. From what I understand, Jaylen Brown is accepting this and realizing it?s a chance to turn the page and may be getting his own team.

[Vermont Green]

Giannis, Portis

For

Brown, Hauser, 27, 40, 2027 1st and maybe a future swap or two, or a young player

That is my prediction.  Milwaukee can reroute Brown if they want. 

I'd then go all in and use the trade exception on a stretch center and a defensive PG.

I still don't know all of the rules of the new CBA, but are we allowed to use the full TPE if it puts us above the second apron?

No, we are capped at either the second apron or the first apron, depending when the TPE is used, I think.  (I believe using a TPE from a prior season caps you at the first apron).

The $27M TPE is from last season so using it results in a hard cap at the first apron.  That is why Hauser needs to go out if Portis comes back.

[No Nickname]

Heat Central: All I?ll say to you Greeny, if the Milwaukee Bucks go with the Celtics offer, Jaylen Brown will be in Milwaukee. @ShamsCharania says Jaylen Brown will be staying in MIL after a Giannis trade.


ShamsCharania I want to make this clear, whichever deal occurs, it?s going to be a one for one deal. It?s going to consist of MIL and one of these two teams. There?s no 3rd and 4th teams.

Sounds like the Bucks need someone to anchor their team and still attract fans. Brown wants to have this type of role IMO...

Agreed.  They have no reason to tank and try and get a better draft pick since they have so many pick swaps in the coming seasons.

So why stink and not even be able to get better through the draft.  They can put together a playoff squad with Jaylen, Hauser or Hugo, and two of the C's 1st rounders.

[Vermont Green]

Heat Central: All I?ll say to you Greeny, if the Milwaukee Bucks go with the Celtics offer, Jaylen Brown will be in Milwaukee. @ShamsCharania says Jaylen Brown will be staying in MIL after a Giannis trade.

ShamsCharania I want to make this clear, whichever deal occurs, it?s going to be a one for one deal. It?s going to consist of MIL and one of these two teams. There?s no 3rd and 4th teams.

I would rather involve a 3rd team in this if it meant keeping Hugo. It seems the premise here is that it'd be just MIL-BOS, but the C's would also have to give up #27 and Hugo. Ultimately I'm fine giving up #27 and another asset like Hauser or Walsh, but not Hugo or Baylor.

If the deal could be Brown, #27, Scheierman for Giannis (maybe with Hauser and Portis or Kuzma thrown in), I do that deal.  Sheierman is a nice player but not someone to stop you from getting Giannis.

[Phantom255x]

Heat Central: All I?ll say to you Greeny, if the Milwaukee Bucks go with the Celtics offer, Jaylen Brown will be in Milwaukee. @ShamsCharania says Jaylen Brown will be staying in MIL after a Giannis trade.

ShamsCharania I want to make this clear, whichever deal occurs, it?s going to be a one for one deal. It?s going to consist of MIL and one of these two teams. There?s no 3rd and 4th teams.

I would rather involve a 3rd team in this if it meant keeping Hugo. It seems the premise here is that it'd be just MIL-BOS, but the C's would also have to give up #27 and Hugo. Ultimately I'm fine giving up #27 and another asset like Hauser or Walsh, but not Hugo or Baylor.

If the deal could be Brown, #27, Scheierman for Giannis (maybe with Hauser and Portis or Kuzma thrown in), I do that deal.  Sheierman is a nice player but not someone to stop you from getting Giannis.

Depends what other moves are made. I do like the idea of adding Portis in the deal if possible, maybe Jaylen, Hauser + picks for Giannis and Portis. I just really don't want to give up Hugo or Baylor. But in that scenario, I might be okay with Baylor. Not Hugo. Although I don't even want to trade for Giannis but it seems we're getting there, there is a ton of smoke at this point

[celticinorlando]

I think Kuzma comes back to Boston. Can the Cs make him a productive bench piece? He is on an expiring so he might have some value there.

My guess?

Brown
Hugo
#27 pick
Future first round pick or picks

Boston gets Giannis and Kuzma or Portis

[Phantom255x]

You can probably get Kuzma or Portis in the deal if you add Hauser, which I'm fine with.

A cap expert can explain what we'd have left in terms of the TPE or MLE to use afterwards?

[celticinorlando]

Sure sounds like Brown wants to be out of Boston...which I think was his whole plan when he started with the comments. I do no think this is all Brad and poor Jaylen. It seems to be mutual.

I think the new draft lottery rules also play a part in this. Brown at least gives the Bucks a star they can build around and have.

[angryguy77]

You can probably get Kuzma or Portis in the deal if you add Hauser, which I'm fine with.

A cap expert can explain what we'd have left in terms of the TPE or MLE to use afterwards?

Getting portis would be preferable. Dude is the exact "hustle" guy that would give this team the shot it needs when playing down to opponents.

[Celtics2021]

You can probably get Kuzma or Portis in the deal if you add Hauser, which I'm fine with.

A cap expert can explain what we'd have left in terms of the TPE or MLE to use afterwards?

Getting portis would be preferable. Dude is the exact "hustle" guy that would give this team the shot it needs when playing down to opponents.

If a Hauser-Portis swap were included, and otherwise the deal is Giannis for JB and draft assets, the Celtics would still have their full Simons TPE of $27.6 million and would be about $9 million under the tax.  They would also still have the MLE.  (So more capacity in exceptions than budgetary space).  Kuzma would eat into most of the TPE and leave the Celtics about $3 million shy of the tax.  Portis preferential for both fit and roster building.

[keevsnick]

So a couple thoughts on the proposed deal:

1) I don't buy at all that the Bucks would be looking to keep Jaylen. I get they don't have their picks moving forward, but they were below .500 last year even when Giannis actually played. They aren't going to magically be better subbing in a worse player in the Giannis minutes, and without their picks they have no real way of improving. Meanwhile Jaylen's trade value will never be higher than it is right now coming off a healthy all-NBA season. They have to trade him.

2) If I was the Bucks I'd be trying to move Turner into the C's TPE. Giannis/Brown is almost even moneywise straight up, but the C's are one of the few teams in the league with an exception big enough to just TAKE Turner without sending back money. Turner still has 3/84 left on his deal and while he's a good player that's clearly an overpay. Meanwhile Kuzma is a flat expiring so I'm not really sure why it's so important to off load him. Maybe the Bucks think they can move Turner for value elsewhere, but can they do that without taking back bad money?

3) What else is in the deal? It looks like it's not going to be Giannis/Brown straight up, Celtics will send other stuff. But what? Hugo is an obvious candidate, as is the #27 pick. The Celtics could do any combo of those two plus 27', 31', 33' 1st rounder (as long as they wait until after the draft to make it official). They could also take back Turner/Portis/Kuzma as mentioned. Or include other young guys. A lot of ways to add value. Personally, I'd draw the line at Jaylen/Hugo/#27, especially if we have to take back Kuzma. Save our future firsts to fill out roster holes.

I have mixed feelings about this trade. Jaylen is my favorite current Celtic so it would be hard to see him go, but Giannis is probably my favorite non-Celtic. I do worry a lot about his calf problems for a 6'11 guy entering his age 32 season. I guess this is a trade you have to do, but i don't think its the slam dunk obvious choice some are making it out to be. There are ways it could backfire big time. 

[Goldstar88]

Heat Central: All I?ll say to you Greeny, if the Milwaukee Bucks go with the Celtics offer, Jaylen Brown will be in Milwaukee. @ShamsCharania says Jaylen Brown will be staying in MIL after a Giannis trade.

ShamsCharania I want to make this clear, whichever deal occurs, it?s going to be a one for one deal. It?s going to consist of MIL and one of these two teams. There?s no 3rd and 4th teams.

I would rather involve a 3rd team in this if it meant keeping Hugo. It seems the premise here is that it'd be just MIL-BOS, but the C's would also have to give up #27 and Hugo. Ultimately I'm fine giving up #27 and another asset like Hauser or Walsh, but not Hugo or Baylor.

If the deal could be Brown, #27, Scheierman for Giannis (maybe with Hauser and Portis or Kuzma thrown in), I do that deal.  Sheierman is a nice player but not someone to stop you from getting Giannis.

Depends what other moves are made. I do like the idea of adding Portis in the deal if possible, maybe Jaylen, Hauser + picks for Giannis and Portis. I just really don't want to give up Hugo or Baylor. But in that scenario, I might be okay with Baylor. Not Hugo. Although I don't even want to trade for Giannis but it seems we're getting there, there is a ton of smoke at this point

If the Celtics need to give up both Hugo and Baylor in a package to get Giannis you make the trade. The guy is a top 5 player in the NBA. What are we talking about lol

[Who]

So a couple thoughts on the proposed deal:

1) I don't buy at all that the Bucks would be looking to keep Jaylen. I get they don't have their picks moving forward, but they were below .500 last year even when Giannis actually played. They aren't going to magically be better subbing in a worse player in the Giannis minutes, and without their picks they have no real way of improving. Meanwhile Jaylen's trade value will never be higher than it is right now coming off a healthy all-NBA season. They have to trade him.

I do think MIL will be better next year with Jaylen than they were last year with Giannis. That MIL team underachieved last year even when Giannis was fit and available. They should have been a 45 win team.

MIL will also get extra contributions from Bobby Portis who will see extra minutes with Giannis gone. He is their 3rd/4th best player. Kuzma will also play better with Jaylen than he did with Giannis because Giannis' inability to shoot jump-shots over-exposed Kuzma's mediocre jumper. He will be less exposed with Jaylen. So their forward rotation will be more effective with the lesser player Jaylen.

[Who]

2) If I was the Bucks I'd be trying to move Turner into the C's TPE. Giannis/Brown is almost even moneywise straight up, but the C's are one of the few teams in the league with an exception big enough to just TAKE Turner without sending back money. Turner still has 3/84 left on his deal and while he's a good player that's clearly an overpay. Meanwhile Kuzma is a flat expiring so I'm not really sure why it's so important to off load him. Maybe the Bucks think they can move Turner for value elsewhere, but can they do that without taking back bad money?

Agreed. M Turner is the guy to move. Not Kuz (expiring) or Portis (positive trade value). M Turner has dodgy trade value. He might be a negative asset or he might be a neutral asset but he almost definitely is not a positive asset. Plus he is the one with long term money tied up. Move him and create cap flexability to re-enter FA sooner.

Plus, I would welcome M Turner here in BOS. I want to have a stretch 5 next to Giannis. M Turner is one of the best there is at that. Win-win.