Time for a change?

[Who]

I see talk about Milwaukee moving JB after they acquire him or do a three way. But do they WANT to get bad?

Let's face it, the draft and draft lottery are changing. It could make being bad last a much longer time with some less than great lottery luck.

And, having JB paired with Turner, Portis, Porter Jr., Rollins, Thomas, Trent and some draft picks, might be a pretty decent squad with Brown as a #1 given what Jaylen just did with the crew he had in Boston.

I am not sure the Bucks ownership group want to get irrelevantly bad for a long time and Brown would seem to be the exact type of locker room leader the Bucks new coach, Taylor Jenkins, would love to have to bring the type of team culture and togetherness he preaches.

If I was MIL, and I was trading Giannis, I would not want Brown back as the main piece.  It is a timeline thing to me.  If you can't win with Giannis and this supporting cast, you probably are not with Brown either, at least not right away.  And Brown is only a couple of years younger.  It may extend the timeline a little, but not that much.

That is why to me, it makes more sense for MIL to get young players and draft picks back for Giannis.  A classic "blow it up".  Hope you get lucky and draft the next Giannis and build around that player.  To me, Brown makes more sense for a team that has been rebuilding but needs a key piece added.  Atlanta, Portland, maybe even NOP are teams that make more sense to want to bring on Brown, and teams that might have pieces that fit with the MIL rebuild.

Milwaukee wants to keep Giannis. They don't want to rebuild. They are only willing to trade Giannis because Giannis won't sign a contract extension. If we would sign a new contract, they'd keep the team together.

So swapping out Giannis for Jaylen is a continuation of that plan to keep the group together and try to win with their guys which is their 1st choice plan.

They are not trading Giannis because the team thinks this is the end of the road for this group but because Giannis won't commit to staying with the team. They are happy to continue with this group if Giannis will commit.

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I agree with you. I'd blow it up. I'd blow it up regardless of whether Giannis wants to stay or not. I wouldn't even give him the option of staying.

Just ... that isn't what their ownership / GM are thinking.

[Vermont Green]

I see talk about Milwaukee moving JB after they acquire him or do a three way. But do they WANT to get bad?

Let's face it, the draft and draft lottery are changing. It could make being bad last a much longer time with some less than great lottery luck.

And, having JB paired with Turner, Portis, Porter Jr., Rollins, Thomas, Trent and some draft picks, might be a pretty decent squad with Brown as a #1 given what Jaylen just did with the crew he had in Boston.

I am not sure the Bucks ownership group want to get irrelevantly bad for a long time and Brown would seem to be the exact type of locker room leader the Bucks new coach, Taylor Jenkins, would love to have to bring the type of team culture and togetherness he preaches.

If I was MIL, and I was trading Giannis, I would not want Brown back as the main piece.  It is a timeline thing to me.  If you can't win with Giannis and this supporting cast, you probably are not with Brown either, at least not right away.  And Brown is only a couple of years younger.  It may extend the timeline a little, but not that much.

That is why to me, it makes more sense for MIL to get young players and draft picks back for Giannis.  A classic "blow it up".  Hope you get lucky and draft the next Giannis and build around that player.  To me, Brown makes more sense for a team that has been rebuilding but needs a key piece added.  Atlanta, Portland, maybe even NOP are teams that make more sense to want to bring on Brown, and teams that might have pieces that fit with the MIL rebuild.

Milwaukee wants to keep Giannis. They don't want to rebuild. They are only willing to trade Giannis because Giannis won't sign a contract extension. If we would sign a new contract, they'd keep the team together.

So swapping out Giannis for Jaylen is a continuation of that plan to keep the group together and try to win with their guys which is their 1st choice plan.

They are not trading Giannis because the team thinks this is the end of the road for this group but because Giannis won't commit to staying with the team. They are happy to continue with this group if Giannis will commit.

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I agree with you. I'd blow it up. I'd blow it up regardless of whether Giannis wants to stay or not. I wouldn't even give him the option of staying.

Just ... that isn't what their ownership / GM are thinking.

I don't know about that Who.  You could be right about what MIL is thinking, but the start of this post was based on reporting that MIL did not want to keep Brown and would move him to a 3rd team.  This reporting was indicating that MIL is thinking just the opposite of you are saying.  Or if they are thinking about keeping this group together but replacing Giannis with another star because he won't extend,  that star isn't Brown, based on the reporting.

I think it is pretty clear that this MIL team is at the end of their road, even with Giannis.  They botched several deals and now have a bad roster and substantial dead cap from the Lillard fiasco.  I don't think there is any player that you could put with Turner, Kuzma, and Porter that is going to make that team a winner.  And they are short on picks the next few seasons.  This team is going nowhere.  I would want out too if I was Giannis.  I don't expect the #10 in this draft to change things much for them.

[Goldstar88]

I see talk about Milwaukee moving JB after they acquire him or do a three way. But do they WANT to get bad?

Let's face it, the draft and draft lottery are changing. It could make being bad last a much longer time with some less than great lottery luck.

And, having JB paired with Turner, Portis, Porter Jr., Rollins, Thomas, Trent and some draft picks, might be a pretty decent squad with Brown as a #1 given what Jaylen just did with the crew he had in Boston.

I am not sure the Bucks ownership group want to get irrelevantly bad for a long time and Brown would seem to be the exact type of locker room leader the Bucks new coach, Taylor Jenkins, would love to have to bring the type of team culture and togetherness he preaches.

If I was MIL, and I was trading Giannis, I would not want Brown back as the main piece.  It is a timeline thing to me.  If you can't win with Giannis and this supporting cast, you probably are not with Brown either, at least not right away.  And Brown is only a couple of years younger.  It may extend the timeline a little, but not that much.

That is why to me, it makes more sense for MIL to get young players and draft picks back for Giannis.  A classic "blow it up".  Hope you get lucky and draft the next Giannis and build around that player.  To me, Brown makes more sense for a team that has been rebuilding but needs a key piece added.  Atlanta, Portland, maybe even NOP are teams that make more sense to want to bring on Brown, and teams that might have pieces that fit with the MIL rebuild.

Milwaukee wants to keep Giannis. They don't want to rebuild. They are only willing to trade Giannis because Giannis won't sign a contract extension. If we would sign a new contract, they'd keep the team together.

So swapping out Giannis for Jaylen is a continuation of that plan to keep the group together and try to win with their guys which is their 1st choice plan.

They are not trading Giannis because the team thinks this is the end of the road for this group but because Giannis won't commit to staying with the team. They are happy to continue with this group if Giannis will commit.

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I agree with you. I'd blow it up. I'd blow it up regardless of whether Giannis wants to stay or not. I wouldn't even give him the option of staying.

Just ... that isn't what their ownership / GM are thinking.

A Milwaukee Bucks insider said on the Radio recently that if the Bucks trade Giannis they would want a young star player to build around and a boat load of picks. If a trade was made for Brown they believe he would be moved to a 3rd team for said young star such as a Jalen Johnson or Paolo Banchero. They are  not interested in keeping Brown and view Giannis as significantly better considering he is a two time MVP, 10x All-star, and 7x All-NBA first team. Giannis is also not much older than JB is.

[Goldstar88]

Giannis Antetokounmpo's Next Team per Kalshi:

Miami:45%
Boston:35%

[slightly biased bias fan]

For me a Giannis trade that makes sense would be:

Celtics

Incoming: Giannis

Outgoing: Brown, Hauser


Bucks

Incoming: Henderson, Grant, Camara, 2028-30 Bucks 1 round picks returned

Outgoing: Giannis


Trail Blazers

Incoming: Brown, Hauser

Outgoing: Henderson, Grant, Camara, 2028-30 Bucks 1 round picks returned

[Goldstar88]

For me a Giannis trade that makes sense would be:

Celtics

Incoming: Giannis

Outgoing: Brown, Hauser


Bucks

Incoming: Henderson, Grant, Camara, 2028-30 Bucks 1 round picks returned

Outgoing: Giannis


Trail Blazers

Incoming: Brown, Hauser

Outgoing: Henderson, Grant, Camara, 2028-30 Bucks 1 round picks returned

Seems as though the likely landing spots for JB are Portland, Houston, and Atlanta. If I?m the Bucks I?d probably try to pry away Sengun and either Thompson or Jabari Smith Jr from the Rockets. Also feel like a package centered around Jalen Johnson would be better than anything Portland has to offer not named Deni Avdija .

I?d also like for the Celtics to get Portis from Milwaukee.

[keevsnick]

So I have some doubts about the viability of the Blazers as the 3rd team in a Brown/Giannis trade.

Mostly: If 90% of the package the Bucks are getting for Giannis come from Portland, then why wouldn't Portland just trade for Giannis directly? If you're giving up most of the value why take the lesser player in Brown? The easiest answer is Giannis has one year on his deal, Brown has three. But to counter that: Brown and Avdija aren't a good enough 1-2 to win the title in the West, Giannis and Avdija might be. If your goal is winning a title, a gamble on Giannis is probably a better bet. Plus, we've already seen reporting that Portland might be willing to trade for Giannis even without his commitment.

The single best asset the Bucks could back for Giannis is their own picks in 28-30, it doesn't really make a ton of sense to me to involve yourself in a trade where you give up the best assets but don't get back the best player.

[Goldstar88]

Alright, Brad. Time to pull the trigger on the Giannis trade.

[SparzWizard]

Alright, Brad. Time to pull the trigger on the Giannis trade.

Agreed 100%. We really need him after witnessing the Knicks taking over the East and becoming world champs. A bruiser and a man who can get foul calls simply by breathing on him. These are the type of guys we need

[celticinorlando]

I know one thing....the Celtics as currently constructed would not beat the knicks in a series.

Keep Brown, your roster still has to be upgraded in several spots to try to keep pace with them.

I do not see a starting center on this team. I also do not see a starter to go with Brown, Tatum and White. Hauser is not the answer there.

The Celtics need a really good on ball defender at guard to play with white, Tatum and JB. It is obvious they want PP off the bench.

IF they keep what they have and just add to it...they have to get guys that are impact players. Your bench needs to be PP, Hauser, Queta, Hugo, Baylor and the first round pick. Garza as your third big. Walsh and Williams can kick rocks.

[Goldstar88]

I know one thing....the Celtics as currently constructed would not beat the knicks in a series.

Keep Brown, your roster still has to be upgraded in several spots to try to keep pace with them.

I do not see a starting center on this team. I also do not see a starter to go with Brown, Tatum and White. Hauser is not the answer there.

The Celtics need a really good on ball defender at guard to play with white, Tatum and JB. It is obvious they want PP off the bench.

IF they keep what they have and just add to it...they have to get guys that are impact players. Your bench needs to be PP, Hauser, Queta, Hugo, Baylor and the first round pick. Garza as your third big. Walsh and Williams can kick rocks.

Tatum and Brown worked as a duo when you had Jrue and Horford leading the team. They also had KP. Those guys are gone now. JB is a 2nd tier star. Giannis and Tatum are tier 1. If you can get a top 5 player in Giannis, you do it. Period. Celtics need an elite big man or they aren?t contending in the East. Forget about beating NY, Celtics could not even get past Philly this season. Adding a few complimentary pieces is not enough.

[celticinorlando]

I know one thing....the Celtics as currently constructed would not beat the knicks in a series.

Keep Brown, your roster still has to be upgraded in several spots to try to keep pace with them.

I do not see a starting center on this team. I also do not see a starter to go with Brown, Tatum and White. Hauser is not the answer there.

The Celtics need a really good on ball defender at guard to play with white, Tatum and JB. It is obvious they want PP off the bench.

IF they keep what they have and just add to it...they have to get guys that are impact players. Your bench needs to be PP, Hauser, Queta, Hugo, Baylor and the first round pick. Garza as your third big. Walsh and Williams can kick rocks.

Tatum and Brown worked as a duo when you had Jrue and Horford leading the team. They also had KP. Those guys are gone now. JB is a 2nd tier star. Giannis and Tatum are tier 1. If you can get a top 5 player in Giannis, you do it. Period. Celtics need an elite big man or they aren?t contending in the East. Forget about beating NY, Celtics could not even get past Philly this season. Adding a few complimentary pieces is not enough.

Agree 100 percent with you on this.

[Goldstar88]

The Ringer: From what I heard, they made an offer in the past week. @BillSimmons and @ZachLowe_NBA discuss the latest on the potential of Boston making a move for Giannis Antetokounmpo. Bill Simmons: I think they dove in. From what I heard, they made an offer in the past week, a couple of days before I mentioned it on Thursday. I don?t know what the offer was, and I don?t know who?s in it. But they are in, the hat was in the ring, which I was really surprised by, as I said on Thursday, because I thought they were sitting it out. And I don?t know, Do you think something changed. Do you think they looked at this from every angle, or that they realized oh, that?s it from the Miami offer? We can beat that. Like what would have changed their mindset? Because I do not think they were in on Giannis at the beginning of the offseason.

[celticinorlando]

I still feel like the Bucks want as many picks out of this as possible. They aren't impressed with the Heat and their offer or they would have pulled the trigger long ago.

I think the biggest thing is Milwaukee trying to flip Brown to Atlanta, Portland or NO. I would love for Boston to somehow get Giannis and Portis out of this deal.

Then use your exceptions to fill out your roster

[Phantom255x]

The Ringer: From what I heard, they made an offer in the past week. @BillSimmons and @ZachLowe_NBA discuss the latest on the potential of Boston making a move for Giannis Antetokounmpo. Bill Simmons: I think they dove in. From what I heard, they made an offer in the past week, a couple of days before I mentioned it on Thursday. I don?t know what the offer was, and I don?t know who?s in it. But they are in, the hat was in the ring, which I was really surprised by, as I said on Thursday, because I thought they were sitting it out. And I don?t know, Do you think something changed. Do you think they looked at this from every angle, or that they realized oh, that?s it from the Miami offer? We can beat that. Like what would have changed their mindset? Because I do not think they were in on Giannis at the beginning of the offseason.

Bill Simmons really just makes a platform out of saying a bunch of nothing and "I don't knows". Wild

I'd be more interested if Lowe added any input or what he heard but it sounds like he didn't really say anything of substance either implying he's not really sure or hasn't heard any significant developments.