Time for a change?

[Roy H.]

Brown was the best player on a 56 win team.  Johnson on a 46 win team.  If the objective is to win a title in the next 2-3 season, I will take Brown.

that would be the wrong decision, which is why Atlanta would never make that trade.  Johnson would give Boston a much better shot at winning a title.  He would be perfect next to Tatum.

Why do you think Jalen Johnson is a better fit for Tatum?

Tatum has taken on that point-forward role himself. Tatum defends and rebounds the PF position at a well above average to high level. I don't see that Tatum needs the skill-set JJ provides.

That's my question, too.  What makes Brown a bad fit, but Johnson "perfect".

[Who]

Brown was the best player on a 56 win team.  Johnson on a 46 win team.  If the objective is to win a title in the next 2-3 season, I will take Brown.

that would be the wrong decision, which is why Atlanta would never make that trade.  Johnson would give Boston a much better shot at winning a title.  He would be perfect next to Tatum.

I have mixed feelings on Johnson (and a guy like Giddey). When I look at his stats, they are impressive. When I watch him play, I'm not impressed. He drifts through games often and doesn't leave an impact.

He reminds me a lot of Lamar Odom or Jeff Green or Tobias Harris. You always feel like he could be better, but he never quite reaches the level you think he's capable of.

I have a similar feeling with Jalen Johnson ... but I would also say that he has raised his levels each year for the past 3 seasons and pushed the bar higher for what can be expected of him night to night.

I feel the main reason for this is JJ is does not have a consistent go-to scoring repertoire yet. He is reliant on dribble drives and finishing at the basket. If you can reduce that / limit that, his scoring impact is muted. And while he is a good defender, he is not a great defender.

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I like the Josh Giddey comparison. Similar players in that they are both mainly connectivity players. Guys who enable others with their ball-handling, passing and possession creation (rebounding). Unlike Giddey, JJ can defend his position. Unlike Giddey, JJ has above average athleticism for beating his man one-on-one and shows more long term creation potential. But there are a lot of similarities there.

I can see some of Lamar Odom there as well. Particularly the Miami-era Lamar Odom when he was the main man and averaging 17-20ppg and 4-6apg. Never had the complete mindset as a scorer / go-to-guy though. Similar as JJ today. Then Odom struggled to maintain his scoring volume when he took over a #2 role next to Kobe (prior to Pau Gasol) because Odom couldn't hit jump-shots frequently enough. JJ's jump-shot shows more potential. Not just potential but more current ability. He could transition to a #2 and still put up big numbers unlike Odom.

[Who]

Jalen Johnson showed his limitations as scorer in the playoffs for Atlanta. He got 19.5ppg but it was on 43.5% FG 29% 3PT 55.1% TS. He couldn't reliably generate offense for himself.

And with JJ unable to do that, ATL had no go-to player. No player to base their offensive sets around. No player to stem the bleeding when things were going badly. CJ McCollum ended up being their go-to player in the series as a result.

[Goldstar88]

Giannis is 31.  Sure, he has some miles on him and there is some durability risk, but he put up 28 / 10 / 5 last season on a struggling team where he was supposedly hampered by injury.  He is also 6'-11" and would address the team biggest weakness.

Loosing Brown would mean giving up some wing scoring and wing defense.  Brown is a top player in the game but I view Giannis as better and better at a position that adds more overall value.

Not if he?s hurt he doesn?t. Mark it now. He will tear his Achilles next year where ever he is. All those miles and a calf injury? Hard pass

No doubt we?ll be crossing our fingers for as long as he?s here but I also can?t see another way to compete with the Western Conference champs over the next few years.  It?s an extreme risk reward situation. If the bottom line is #19 my guess is it doesn?t play out well, but again, what gives them a better chance?

I don?t know what does. Make a proposal. I don?t know what else is on the table. But i dont like this idea at all. I?m not doing it.

Giannis gives the Celtics the best chance to win. Thinking that they shouldn?t make a move because a player had a calf strain is silly. Hell, JB had a calf strain and Achilles tendentious towards the end of the season. You aren?t getting Jokic, Wemby, SGA, Doncic. Those are the guys that are on Giannis level. There is no better option.

[Moranis]

Brown was the best player on a 56 win team.  Johnson on a 46 win team.  If the objective is to win a title in the next 2-3 season, I will take Brown.

that would be the wrong decision, which is why Atlanta would never make that trade.  Johnson would give Boston a much better shot at winning a title.  He would be perfect next to Tatum.

Why do you think Jalen Johnson is a better fit for Tatum?

Tatum has taken on that point-forward role himself. Tatum defends and rebounds the PF position at a well above average to high level. I don't see that Tatum needs the skill-set JJ provides.

Johnson is not a lead scorer and doesn't play like one.  He plays well off the ball (we saw that with Young).  I think he is a much better secondary option and is a much more willing passer.  Brown has a lot of black hole type tendencies.  He is more efficient shooting than many of those type players, but Brown's poor passing, dribbling, and decision making aren't great as a secondary player.  I also think Johnson's size makes him a better fit.  The Celtics have more positional options and can hunt matchups a bit better with the bigger player. Johnson also doesn't take up of the dame space on the floor as Tatum.  Too many times Brown and Tatum play the your turn my turn type offense because they have the same skill set. Johnson does not.  There is a reason both Tatum and Brown play better when the other one isn't on the floor. They are too similar