Time for a change?

[Goldstar88]

The problem with the individual player maximum is sets expectations.  Jaylen has to get a 35% max to not feel slighted. Jaylen isnt worth 35% of the cap though.  He is more a 25-30% type player.  He is overpaid for what he brings, but the system basically forces Boston to offer him 35% especially as he ages.  If Boston signs him to that extension, they will hamstring themselves, but they basically have to offer that or trade Brown.

If Brown is truly serious about wanting to stay in Boston, he should accept an extension well below the maximum. Might even offer him a no trade depending on what that extension percentage is.

He would never do this. The guy who has been telling everyone all year how much he?s sacrificed is not taking a pay cut.

[smicker16]

The problem with the individual player maximum is sets expectations.  Jaylen has to get a 35% max to not feel slighted. Jaylen isnt worth 35% of the cap though.  He is more a 25-30% type player.  He is overpaid for what he brings, but the system basically forces Boston to offer him 35% especially as he ages.  If Boston signs him to that extension, they will hamstring themselves, but they basically have to offer that or trade Brown.

If Brown is truly serious about wanting to stay in Boston, he should accept an extension well below the maximum. Might even offer him a no trade depending on what that extension percentage is.

He would never do this. The guy who has been telling everyone all year how much he?s sacrificed is not taking a pay cut.

I mean what player would do that in their prime now really? The union would hate that. It is just an unrealistic expectation and another way to call JB selfish when that is what 95% of the players would do.

[Moranis]

The problem with the individual player maximum is sets expectations.  Jaylen has to get a 35% max to not feel slighted. Jaylen isnt worth 35% of the cap though.  He is more a 25-30% type player.  He is overpaid for what he brings, but the system basically forces Boston to offer him 35% especially as he ages.  If Boston signs him to that extension, they will hamstring themselves, but they basically have to offer that or trade Brown.

If Brown is truly serious about wanting to stay in Boston, he should accept an extension well below the maximum. Might even offer him a no trade depending on what that extension percentage is.

He would never do this. The guy who has been telling everyone all year how much he?s sacrificed is not taking a pay cut.

I mean what player would do that in their prime now really? The union would hate that. It is just an unrealistic expectation and another way to call JB selfish when that is what 95% of the players would do.

that is the whole point of my post though.  The system is set up to overpay players.  Jaylen isn't a top of the cap player, but the system forces that on both the team and the player.   If there was no player cap, just a team one, Jaylen doesn't get 35%, he'd get less. 

[jambr380]

I'm not sure if it would have made a difference in his extension back in 2023, but the worst thing for us was Brown making All-NBA and forcing us into the 35% supermax. We did go on to win a Title the next year, so of course it was all worth it, but Jaylen at 30% and Tatum and 35% makes a lot more sense and it would have set the hierarchy where it should be without us having to slight Jaylen in anyway

[Goldstar88]

Giannis Antetokounmpo Next Team Odds
via DraftKings Sportsbook

Milwaukee Bucks: +125
Boston Celtics: +400
Miami Heat: +700
Golden State Warriors: +900
Cleveland Cavaliers: +1200
New York Knicks: +1400
Portland Trail Blazers: +1600
Minnesota Timberwolves: +1600
Atlanta Hawks: +2000
Toronto Raptors: +2000
Los Angeles Lakers: +2000
Los Angeles Clippers: +2000

[Who]

Nick Wright was on with Colin Cowherd. The title of their 8min video was "Nick Wright GUARANTEES Giannis Antetokounmpo Will Be a Celtic".

Colin Cowherd believes Tatum & Jaylen are closely ranked. Nick Wright disagreed. He believes Tatum is a top 10 player (consistently 6th or 7th) and that Jaylen is a top 20 player (who had a top 15 season this year).

Nick Wright believes the 76ers losing so badly to the Knicks (being trashed by NY) is going to make BOS more likely to make a move than they already were. That BOS were worse / further away than they thought if Philly are this far away from competing with NY.

In the video, Nick Wright doesn't actually guarantee Giannis to BOS like the title says but he does say he would bet on it happening. Whether it is a straight swap or maybe a 3 team deal with Jaylen headed to ATL.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyYIzJFDoCY

About 2:20 to 6min.

[celticinorlando]

I just do not see anything major happening. Fringe pieces signed the exceptions, nothing more.

Cs will be a 4ish seed and probably out in round 2.

[jambr380]

I just do not see anything major happening. Fringe pieces signed the exceptions, nothing more.

Cs will be a 4ish seed and probably out in round 2.

You watched the Brad Stevens press conference right? The unprompted one he held on his own with a scathing opening monologue. Where he discussed how the team isn't good enough and they need to increase their margin for error.

I'll be surprised if Jaylen Brown isn't traded if I'm being honest. Not saying I'm sure he will be, but it feels like we've seen the last run of this iteration of Celitcs. Brad has continued to make big moves throughout his tenure and I can't imagine him sitting on his hands when the team has greatly disappointed these last two seasons.

[celticinorlando]

I just do not see anything major happening. Fringe pieces signed the exceptions, nothing more.

Cs will be a 4ish seed and probably out in round 2.

You watched the Brad Stevens press conference right? The unprompted one he held on his own with a scathing opening monologue. Where he discussed how the team isn't good enough and they need to increase their margin for error.

I'll honestly be surprised if Jaylen Brown isn't traded if I'm being honest. Not saying I'm sure he will be, but it feels like we've seen the last run of this iteration of Celitcs. Brad has continued to make big moves throughout his tenure and I can't imagine him sitting on his hands when the team has greatly disappointed these last two seasons.

I watched it. It sounded good but I just think with time removing them from the season, things will change some and they stay the course. Maybe in 2027 they go big.

I don't think JB gets traded. I think they should look to move him but in the end he stays. I wish he would stay off twitch and worry more about his performance in the playoffs than crying about SAS constantly.

[Who]

I just do not see anything major happening. Fringe pieces signed the exceptions, nothing more.

Cs will be a 4ish seed and probably out in round 2.

You watched the Brad Stevens press conference right? The unprompted one he held on his own with a scathing opening monologue. Where he discussed how the team isn't good enough and they need to increase their margin for error.

I'll honestly be surprised if Jaylen Brown isn't traded if I'm being honest. Not saying I'm sure he will be, but it feels like we've seen the last run of this iteration of Celitcs. Brad has continued to make big moves throughout his tenure and I can't imagine him sitting on his hands when the team has greatly disappointed these last two seasons.

I watched it. It sounded good but I just think with time removing them from the season, things will change some and they stay the course. Maybe in 2027 they go big.

I don't think JB gets traded. I think they should look to move him but in the end he stays. I wish he would stay off twitch and worry more about his performance in the playoffs than crying about SAS constantly.

I don't see Jaylen getting traded either. I don't like the look of the trade market for him. Outside of the Giannis deal, almost all the proposed Jaylen trades would make BOS worse. And the Giannis one is complicated because of Giannis' injury issues and he is a few years older. Lotta risk. Jaylen & Tatum are more of a sure thing.

I am expecting a mid-sized trade. Something like when we acquired Derrick White where Stevens gives up some draft capital / youth in order to acquire another starter caliber player. Give the team a 5th reliable player after Tatum, Jaylen, D White, Pritchard. Hopefully Queta being the 6th reliable player. Make the team 6 deep in quality players and then finish out the roster with young / bench pieces.

[Moranis]

Suns could be an interesting trade partner

Green, Allen, Maluach for Brown

Or

Booker, Brooks for Brown, White

[Who]

Suns could be an interesting trade partner

Green, Allen, Maluach for Brown

Or

Booker, Brooks for Brown, White

The first one is a rebuilding trade. Giving up on contending for a while. No blue chip prospect back in return for Jaylen either.

The second one is a fine trade. It seems more like a sideways move rather than improvement or downgrade. Different rather than better.

G: Pritchard, (FA)
G: D Booker, Baylor
F: D Brooks, J Walsh
F: Tatum, Hugo
C: Queta, (FA)

Strong team.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Suns could be an interesting trade partner

Green, Allen, Maluach for Brown

Or

Booker, Brooks for Brown, White

I could see why the Suns would do the first one, but why would they do the second one?

I can't see why the Celtics would do either.

[Donoghus]

Suns could be an interesting trade partner

Green, Allen, Maluach for Brown

Or

Booker, Brooks for Brown, White

I could see why the Suns would do the first one, but why would they do the second one?

I can't see why the Celtics would do either.

Don't worry. They won't.

[Moranis]

Suns could be an interesting trade partner

Green, Allen, Maluach for Brown

Or

Booker, Brooks for Brown, White

The first one is a rebuilding trade. Giving up on contending for a while. No blue chip prospect back in return for Jaylen either.

The second one is a fine trade. It seems more like a sideways move rather than improvement or downgrade. Different rather than better.

G: Pritchard, (FA)
G: D Booker, Baylor
F: D Brooks, J Walsh
F: Tatum, Hugo
C: Queta, (FA)

Strong team.

Obviously Jalen Green isn't as good as Brown, but he isnt exactly a scrub either. He was hurt a fair amount this year, but had a nice post season more in line statistically with his time in Houston where he was a 21, 4.5, 3.5 player.  Solid 2nd scorer skill set.  Allen would add some nice shooting. Malachite was the 10th pick in the draft ladt summer.  Disappointing season,  but he is very raw.  I like the long term potential of him.  I think the trade would open up the team  a bit more and I do think a White/Green backcourt with both PP and Allen off the bench would open the offense some.  Need to get a PF on free agency, but I don't see that team rebuilding.  The salary slots also make it easier to do a 2nd trade if one develops. 

Ad for the 2nd trade, I think the team would be better with Booker. I think he is a much better fit with Tatum than Brown is.  Booker's passing and teammate shot creation far exceeds what Brown can do.  He'd work a lot better next to Tatum in my view.