Frontcourt Is Going To Be An Issue This Postseason

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Vucevic did not even play one minute tonight. Kind of says all you need to know about how Joe values him. Again, strictly a deal to cut salary.

And whatever on that I guess, but it?s disappointing that we are now sitting with the 27th pick in the draft after that mess of a series

Joe also decided that Ron Harper, Jr. should start.

Vuc was never really used properly.  They took a really versatile offensive player and excellent passer, and turned him into a spot up shooter on the perimeter.

Brad gave Joe the tools. Joe just mismanaged them, as he has so often done in the playoffs.

the problem with using Vucevic properly is it takes away from the strengths of Tatum and Brown who are far better players.  You don't acquire a poor fitting player and then expect him to fit properly.

Not really.  Other teams -- including Philly -- run a diversified offense.  Joe is more of a one trick pony.

Vucevic is one step from being out of the league. He'll be 36 at the start of next season and he can neither move anywhere near the perimeter, nor provide any resistance to opposing players down low.

His offense is okay, but it's not good enough to make up for his complete lack of defense. To make it as an offense only Center, you need to be a focal point of your team. This is basically Enes Kanter Freedom right before he fizzled out.

Dude had a really good career, but he is far from All-Star Vucevic these days. Perhaps someone will take a chance on him with the taxpayer MLE, but I can't imagine he will ever be an impact player on a decent team, or any team for that matter, ever again

Vuc was still a 17/9/3 guy on a .570 eFG%.  Billy Donovan used him effectively.  Joe didn't.

Good stats on their way to a perpetual record below .500. He's the definition of a good stats bad team guy.

If he's the best player on a team, sure.  But, most players surrounded by bad teammates will be below .500.

Classic chicken or the egg question. You say Vucevic didn't have good enough teammates to have a winning team. I say that Vucevic isn't a winning player enough that helps his team be better.

15 years is a pretty big body of evidence. It's hard to believe it's always been his teammate's fault.

Maybe you can't build a winning team around a high volume decent efficiency postup big man that can't defend the rim?

Vucevic isn't a "build around" player.  Very few guys are.  That doesn't mean they can't win.

He'll, KP was also a guy you can't build around.  Horford, too.  We haven't had a center that a team can be built around since...  Cowens?  Parish was a great player, but I think that if he was your centerpiece in the 80s, the team would have struggled. 

Most players are complementary players that need to be used correctly.

But one common theme is that teams that rely on a high volume decent efficiency postup big man that can't defend the rim aren't winning teams. You have to be really, really good on offense as a big man to make up for being a bad defender.

Zinger's best quality was his rim protection. You can work with that skillset, even if he is a complimentary piece.

Horford might be the exact opposite of Vucevic. He's always been a winning basketball player who did all the little things to make his team better on offense or defense. He's the ultimate complimentary piece.

Comparing Vucevic to those guys is comparing an apple to an orange.

[Moranis]

Vucevic did not even play one minute tonight. Kind of says all you need to know about how Joe values him. Again, strictly a deal to cut salary.

And whatever on that I guess, but it?s disappointing that we are now sitting with the 27th pick in the draft after that mess of a series

Joe also decided that Ron Harper, Jr. should start.

Vuc was never really used properly.  They took a really versatile offensive player and excellent passer, and turned him into a spot up shooter on the perimeter.

Brad gave Joe the tools. Joe just mismanaged them, as he has so often done in the playoffs.

the problem with using Vucevic properly is it takes away from the strengths of Tatum and Brown who are far better players.  You don't acquire a poor fitting player and then expect him to fit properly.

Not really.  Other teams -- including Philly -- run a diversified offense.  Joe is more of a one trick pony.

Vucevic is one step from being out of the league. He'll be 36 at the start of next season and he can neither move anywhere near the perimeter, nor provide any resistance to opposing players down low.

His offense is okay, but it's not good enough to make up for his complete lack of defense. To make it as an offense only Center, you need to be a focal point of your team. This is basically Enes Kanter Freedom right before he fizzled out.

Dude had a really good career, but he is far from All-Star Vucevic these days. Perhaps someone will take a chance on him with the taxpayer MLE, but I can't imagine he will ever be an impact player on a decent team, or any team for that matter, ever again

Vuc was still a 17/9/3 guy on a .570 eFG%.  Billy Donovan used him effectively.  Joe didn't.

Good stats on their way to a perpetual record below .500. He's the definition of a good stats bad team guy.

If he's the best player on a team, sure.  But, most players surrounded by bad teammates will be below .500.

Classic chicken or the egg question. You say Vucevic didn't have good enough teammates to have a winning team. I say that Vucevic isn't a winning player enough that helps his team be better.

15 years is a pretty big body of evidence. It's hard to believe it's always been his teammate's fault.

Maybe you can't build a winning team around a high volume decent efficiency postup big man that can't defend the rim?

Vucevic isn't a "build around" player.  Very few guys are.  That doesn't mean they can't win.

He'll, KP was also a guy you can't build around.  Horford, too.  We haven't had a center that a team can be built around since...  Cowens?  Parish was a great player, but I think that if he was your centerpiece in the 80s, the team would have struggled. 

Most players are complementary players that need to be used correctly.

But using him correctly means you aren't using Tatum and Brown correctly.  That is the issue.  You can't run an offense that fits Vucevic's strengths when your two best players aren't well suited to that offense.  Vucevic simply isn't a good enough player to merit having an offense tailored to his strengths, especially doing it on the fly.  What is Joe supposed to do mid-season, stop running the offense that they've been running with success for years, because they landed an ancient center who can't play defense?

Vucevic wasn't the right fit on the team.  He was acquired because he was a big man, that was available for Simons, and that cost less.  It was much less about the fit on the court than the financial fit. That is readily apparent with the way Vucevic played.  He just isn't any good. 

[Roy H.]

Vucevic did not even play one minute tonight. Kind of says all you need to know about how Joe values him. Again, strictly a deal to cut salary.

And whatever on that I guess, but it?s disappointing that we are now sitting with the 27th pick in the draft after that mess of a series

Joe also decided that Ron Harper, Jr. should start.

Vuc was never really used properly.  They took a really versatile offensive player and excellent passer, and turned him into a spot up shooter on the perimeter.

Brad gave Joe the tools. Joe just mismanaged them, as he has so often done in the playoffs.

the problem with using Vucevic properly is it takes away from the strengths of Tatum and Brown who are far better players.  You don't acquire a poor fitting player and then expect him to fit properly.

Not really.  Other teams -- including Philly -- run a diversified offense.  Joe is more of a one trick pony.

Vucevic is one step from being out of the league. He'll be 36 at the start of next season and he can neither move anywhere near the perimeter, nor provide any resistance to opposing players down low.

His offense is okay, but it's not good enough to make up for his complete lack of defense. To make it as an offense only Center, you need to be a focal point of your team. This is basically Enes Kanter Freedom right before he fizzled out.

Dude had a really good career, but he is far from All-Star Vucevic these days. Perhaps someone will take a chance on him with the taxpayer MLE, but I can't imagine he will ever be an impact player on a decent team, or any team for that matter, ever again

Vuc was still a 17/9/3 guy on a .570 eFG%.  Billy Donovan used him effectively.  Joe didn't.

Good stats on their way to a perpetual record below .500. He's the definition of a good stats bad team guy.

If he's the best player on a team, sure.  But, most players surrounded by bad teammates will be below .500.

Classic chicken or the egg question. You say Vucevic didn't have good enough teammates to have a winning team. I say that Vucevic isn't a winning player enough that helps his team be better.

15 years is a pretty big body of evidence. It's hard to believe it's always been his teammate's fault.

Maybe you can't build a winning team around a high volume decent efficiency postup big man that can't defend the rim?

Vucevic isn't a "build around" player.  Very few guys are.  That doesn't mean they can't win.

He'll, KP was also a guy you can't build around.  Horford, too.  We haven't had a center that a team can be built around since...  Cowens?  Parish was a great player, but I think that if he was your centerpiece in the 80s, the team would have struggled. 

Most players are complementary players that need to be used correctly.

But using him correctly means you aren't using Tatum and Brown correctly.  That is the issue.  You can't run an offense that fits Vucevic's strengths when your two best players aren't well suited to that offense.  Vucevic simply isn't a good enough player to merit having an offense tailored to his strengths, especially doing it on the fly.  What is Joe supposed to do mid-season, stop running the offense that they've been running with success for years, because they landed an ancient center who can't play defense?

Vucevic wasn't the right fit on the team.  He was acquired because he was a big man, that was available for Simons, and that cost less.  It was much less about the fit on the court than the financial fit. That is readily apparent with the way Vucevic played.  He just isn't any good.

That's nonsense.  The Jays thrived with Horford.  They thrived with KP.  Both can clearly play with an offensively talented center.

[Moranis]

Vucevic did not even play one minute tonight. Kind of says all you need to know about how Joe values him. Again, strictly a deal to cut salary.

And whatever on that I guess, but it?s disappointing that we are now sitting with the 27th pick in the draft after that mess of a series

Joe also decided that Ron Harper, Jr. should start.

Vuc was never really used properly.  They took a really versatile offensive player and excellent passer, and turned him into a spot up shooter on the perimeter.

Brad gave Joe the tools. Joe just mismanaged them, as he has so often done in the playoffs.

the problem with using Vucevic properly is it takes away from the strengths of Tatum and Brown who are far better players.  You don't acquire a poor fitting player and then expect him to fit properly.

Not really.  Other teams -- including Philly -- run a diversified offense.  Joe is more of a one trick pony.

Vucevic is one step from being out of the league. He'll be 36 at the start of next season and he can neither move anywhere near the perimeter, nor provide any resistance to opposing players down low.

His offense is okay, but it's not good enough to make up for his complete lack of defense. To make it as an offense only Center, you need to be a focal point of your team. This is basically Enes Kanter Freedom right before he fizzled out.

Dude had a really good career, but he is far from All-Star Vucevic these days. Perhaps someone will take a chance on him with the taxpayer MLE, but I can't imagine he will ever be an impact player on a decent team, or any team for that matter, ever again

Vuc was still a 17/9/3 guy on a .570 eFG%.  Billy Donovan used him effectively.  Joe didn't.

Good stats on their way to a perpetual record below .500. He's the definition of a good stats bad team guy.

If he's the best player on a team, sure.  But, most players surrounded by bad teammates will be below .500.

Classic chicken or the egg question. You say Vucevic didn't have good enough teammates to have a winning team. I say that Vucevic isn't a winning player enough that helps his team be better.

15 years is a pretty big body of evidence. It's hard to believe it's always been his teammate's fault.

Maybe you can't build a winning team around a high volume decent efficiency postup big man that can't defend the rim?

Vucevic isn't a "build around" player.  Very few guys are.  That doesn't mean they can't win.

He'll, KP was also a guy you can't build around.  Horford, too.  We haven't had a center that a team can be built around since...  Cowens?  Parish was a great player, but I think that if he was your centerpiece in the 80s, the team would have struggled. 

Most players are complementary players that need to be used correctly.

But using him correctly means you aren't using Tatum and Brown correctly.  That is the issue.  You can't run an offense that fits Vucevic's strengths when your two best players aren't well suited to that offense.  Vucevic simply isn't a good enough player to merit having an offense tailored to his strengths, especially doing it on the fly.  What is Joe supposed to do mid-season, stop running the offense that they've been running with success for years, because they landed an ancient center who can't play defense?

Vucevic wasn't the right fit on the team.  He was acquired because he was a big man, that was available for Simons, and that cost less.  It was much less about the fit on the court than the financial fit. That is readily apparent with the way Vucevic played.  He just isn't any good.

That's nonsense.  The Jays thrived with Horford.  They thrived with KP.  Both can clearly play with an offensively talented center.

Al and KP fit with them. Vucevic does not. Fit matters whether you want to admit it or not. 

[Roy H.]

Vucevic did not even play one minute tonight. Kind of says all you need to know about how Joe values him. Again, strictly a deal to cut salary.

And whatever on that I guess, but it?s disappointing that we are now sitting with the 27th pick in the draft after that mess of a series

Joe also decided that Ron Harper, Jr. should start.

Vuc was never really used properly.  They took a really versatile offensive player and excellent passer, and turned him into a spot up shooter on the perimeter.

Brad gave Joe the tools. Joe just mismanaged them, as he has so often done in the playoffs.

the problem with using Vucevic properly is it takes away from the strengths of Tatum and Brown who are far better players.  You don't acquire a poor fitting player and then expect him to fit properly.

Not really.  Other teams -- including Philly -- run a diversified offense.  Joe is more of a one trick pony.

Vucevic is one step from being out of the league. He'll be 36 at the start of next season and he can neither move anywhere near the perimeter, nor provide any resistance to opposing players down low.

His offense is okay, but it's not good enough to make up for his complete lack of defense. To make it as an offense only Center, you need to be a focal point of your team. This is basically Enes Kanter Freedom right before he fizzled out.

Dude had a really good career, but he is far from All-Star Vucevic these days. Perhaps someone will take a chance on him with the taxpayer MLE, but I can't imagine he will ever be an impact player on a decent team, or any team for that matter, ever again

Vuc was still a 17/9/3 guy on a .570 eFG%.  Billy Donovan used him effectively.  Joe didn't.

Good stats on their way to a perpetual record below .500. He's the definition of a good stats bad team guy.

If he's the best player on a team, sure.  But, most players surrounded by bad teammates will be below .500.

Classic chicken or the egg question. You say Vucevic didn't have good enough teammates to have a winning team. I say that Vucevic isn't a winning player enough that helps his team be better.

15 years is a pretty big body of evidence. It's hard to believe it's always been his teammate's fault.

Maybe you can't build a winning team around a high volume decent efficiency postup big man that can't defend the rim?

Vucevic isn't a "build around" player.  Very few guys are.  That doesn't mean they can't win.

He'll, KP was also a guy you can't build around.  Horford, too.  We haven't had a center that a team can be built around since...  Cowens?  Parish was a great player, but I think that if he was your centerpiece in the 80s, the team would have struggled. 

Most players are complementary players that need to be used correctly.

But using him correctly means you aren't using Tatum and Brown correctly.  That is the issue.  You can't run an offense that fits Vucevic's strengths when your two best players aren't well suited to that offense.  Vucevic simply isn't a good enough player to merit having an offense tailored to his strengths, especially doing it on the fly.  What is Joe supposed to do mid-season, stop running the offense that they've been running with success for years, because they landed an ancient center who can't play defense?

Vucevic wasn't the right fit on the team.  He was acquired because he was a big man, that was available for Simons, and that cost less.  It was much less about the fit on the court than the financial fit. That is readily apparent with the way Vucevic played.  He just isn't any good.

That's nonsense.  The Jays thrived with Horford.  They thrived with KP.  Both can clearly play with an offensively talented center.

Al and KP fit with them. Vucevic does not. Fit matters whether you want to admit it or not.

Except, of course, that prime Al, KP, and Vuc all had similar offensive skill sets.