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Re: Jaden Ivey
« Reply #15 on: Yesterday at 07:38:27 PM »

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I hope he gets the help he needs before it's too late. It's not even about his disdain for homosexuality (which obviously isn't great), but the fact that he is so recently loudly and heavily invested in extreme Christian positions that you often only see in a town square or a busy street at night over a loudspeaker.

Ivey recently revealed that he was sexually abused as a child and these livestream rants soon followed. Getting waived by your team and having people pile on you probably isn't the best thing for your mental health. Hopefully he has people around him who love him and can help him before something even worse happens.

Unfortunately in the social media era, these positions, that would otherwise be limited to those hearing it in a town square or on that busy nighttime street, get broadcast to the world, and thousands of other Jaden Iveys who have the same opinion chime in, and all of a sudden it's a movement.


I haven't looked into this, but what did Ivey say that is outside of mainstream Evangelical belief?  I saw that he called homosexuality/ Pride month as "unrighteousness". 

I'm not religious, and I see no moral issue with homosexuality.  But, I'm a little surprised to see others this as a particularly rare belief.  I guess my assumption is that it's a thought held by millions of people.  Are there other comments he's made?


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I hope he gets the help he needs before it's too late. It's not even about his disdain for homosexuality (which obviously isn't great), but the fact that he is so recently loudly and heavily invested in extreme Christian positions that you often only see in a town square or a busy street at night over a loudspeaker.

Ivey recently revealed that he was sexually abused as a child and these livestream rants soon followed. Getting waived by your team and having people pile on you probably isn't the best thing for your mental health. Hopefully he has people around him who love him and can help him before something even worse happens.

Unfortunately in the social media era, these positions, that would otherwise be limited to those hearing it in a town square or on that busy nighttime street, get broadcast to the world, and thousands of other Jaden Iveys who have the same opinion chime in, and all of a sudden it's a movement.


I haven't looked into this, but what did Ivey say that is outside of mainstream Evangelical belief?  I saw that he called homosexuality/ Pride month as "unrighteousness". 

I'm not religious, and I see no moral issue with homosexuality.  But, I'm a little surprised to see others this as a particularly rare belief.  I guess my assumption is that it's a thought held by millions of people.  Are there other comments he's made?

He called Catholicism a "fake religion".  I know he was asking reporters if they fornicated pre-marriage which seems insanely unprofessional.


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« Reply #17 on: Yesterday at 08:03:28 PM »

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I hope he gets the help he needs before it's too late. It's not even about his disdain for homosexuality (which obviously isn't great), but the fact that he is so recently loudly and heavily invested in extreme Christian positions that you often only see in a town square or a busy street at night over a loudspeaker.

Ivey recently revealed that he was sexually abused as a child and these livestream rants soon followed. Getting waived by your team and having people pile on you probably isn't the best thing for your mental health. Hopefully he has people around him who love him and can help him before something even worse happens.

Unfortunately in the social media era, these positions, that would otherwise be limited to those hearing it in a town square or on that busy nighttime street, get broadcast to the world, and thousands of other Jaden Iveys who have the same opinion chime in, and all of a sudden it's a movement.


I haven't looked into this, but what did Ivey say that is outside of mainstream Evangelical belief?  I saw that he called homosexuality/ Pride month as "unrighteousness". 

I'm not religious, and I see no moral issue with homosexuality.  But, I'm a little surprised to see others this as a particularly rare belief.  I guess my assumption is that it's a thought held by millions of people.  Are there other comments he's made?

He called Catholicism a "fake religion".  I know he was asking reporters if they fornicated pre-marriage which seems insanely unprofessional.

Interesting.  He sounds like an idiot that is attempting to regurgitate ideas / beliefs he's been exposed to that he hasn't fully thought through.


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I hope he gets the help he needs before it's too late. It's not even about his disdain for homosexuality (which obviously isn't great), but the fact that he is so recently loudly and heavily invested in extreme Christian positions that you often only see in a town square or a busy street at night over a loudspeaker.

Ivey recently revealed that he was sexually abused as a child and these livestream rants soon followed. Getting waived by your team and having people pile on you probably isn't the best thing for your mental health. Hopefully he has people around him who love him and can help him before something even worse happens.

Unfortunately in the social media era, these positions, that would otherwise be limited to those hearing it in a town square or on that busy nighttime street, get broadcast to the world, and thousands of other Jaden Iveys who have the same opinion chime in, and all of a sudden it's a movement.


I haven't looked into this, but what did Ivey say that is outside of mainstream Evangelical belief?  I saw that he called homosexuality/ Pride month as "unrighteousness". 

I'm not religious, and I see no moral issue with homosexuality.  But, I'm a little surprised to see others this as a particularly rare belief.  I guess my assumption is that it's a thought held by millions of people.  Are there other comments he's made?

It's less about what he believes, which is largely in line with mainstream Evangelism's core set of beliefs, it's more about his application and interpretation of those beliefs that I think put him outside the mainstream (keeping in mind that Evangelism is a bottom-up religion where there is generally a lot more diversity in application of core tenets in general than a top-down religion like Catholicism).

From what I see Jaden has a number of views that align with mainstream Evangelical belief, such as belief in the divinity of Jesus, the emphasis of the spiritual over the temporal in his daily life, the need to proselytize and convert others, and the need for repentance. Where I could see him outside what we would consider "mainstream" (keeping in mind that while Evangelism has a core set of beliefs, at the grassroots level the application and interpretation of it can be extremely diverse) would be:

1. long social media rants and condemnation of other Christian religions (calling Catholicism a false religion, criticizing other Christian athletes such as Steph for not speaking out about Christ more and focusing too much on money - something he made a judgement of without actually knowing if Steph does so or not)

2. Telling LGBTQ folks that God doesn't hear their prayers and that they will burn in hell because they are sinners. Mainstream evangelists generally don't proselytize in this way because they don't think it's an effective way to gain converts - they generally "hate the sin but love the sinner". Jaden's approach is more like the Westboro Baptist Church - condemnation and self-righteousness, without telling them about Jesus's love and ability to save them.

3. imposing his beliefs on others. Evangelism literally means "announcing good things" in Greek (evangeliso). It means you share the Gospel, you tell others what the Christian message is. You don't impose those beliefs on them, you guide them to believing.

4. talking about his own personal experiences on his social media streams. Evangelism is about telling people the message of the Gospel - what has God done in history to save sinners through Jesus. It's not telling people about you and all the cool things you're doing to be saved. Living a transformed life is great for you, but it's not evangelism, because evangelism is about sharing the Gospel and how it can save people.

So my take is that it's not his beliefs that are necessarily outside the mainstream, but rather his application of them and interpretation of them. He's not evangelizing - he's condemning. Maybe the trials he went through, along with whatever mental health issues he's facing, has led him to this type of interpretation of religion. He seems to me to be someone who might have been lost, drowning, and found a rope, which was Christ, and now he's all in and the lens of his experiences has caused him to have this type of interpretation, because his faith is the only thing anchoring him right now.
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He should have the right to say whatever he wants.    He also should accept any consequences of saying what he wants.

I don't think we should sign him or attempt to sign him.   

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Interesting.  He sounds like an idiot that is attempting to regurgitate ideas / beliefs he's been exposed to that he hasn't fully thought through.

That is true of a bunch of people, they just are not famous, with a platform.

I hear China and United Arab Emirates  basketball leagues are good.   I doubt the NBA or Euro leagues will take another chance on him.

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He should have the right to say whatever he wants.    He also should accept any consequences of saying what he wants.

I don't think we should sign him or attempt to sign him.   

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Interesting.  He sounds like an idiot that is attempting to regurgitate ideas / beliefs he's been exposed to that he hasn't fully thought through.

That is true of a bunch of people, they just are not famous, with a platform.

I hear China and United Arab Emirates  basketball leagues are good.   I doubt the NBA or Euro leagues will take another chance on him.

Yeah, a guy who craps on Catholicism going to Boston? That ain't happening.   Agree. Think he's donezo in the NBA.


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Re: Jaden Ivey
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He should have the right to say whatever he wants.    He also should accept any consequences of saying what he wants.

I don't think we should sign him or attempt to sign him.   

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Interesting.  He sounds like an idiot that is attempting to regurgitate ideas / beliefs he's been exposed to that he hasn't fully thought through.

That is true of a bunch of people, they just are not famous, with a platform.

I hear China and United Arab Emirates  basketball leagues are good.   I doubt the NBA or Euro leagues will take another chance on him.

Yeah, a guy who craps on Catholicism going to Boston? That ain't happening.   Agree. Think he's donezo in the NBA.

I hadn't realized that his mother is Niele Ivey, head coach of the Notre Dame women's team.  That's got to be awkward.

And yes, his NBA career is probably over.  Star players can survive this stuff (Kyrie is an anti-Semite, Anthony Edwards has said some really ignorant stuff about homosexuals), but role players are going to get the Meyers Leonard treatment.  (To undermine my argument, Leonard did play nine games after his slur.)


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He should have the right to say whatever he wants.    He also should accept any consequences of saying what he wants.

I don't think we should sign him or attempt to sign him.   

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Interesting.  He sounds like an idiot that is attempting to regurgitate ideas / beliefs he's been exposed to that he hasn't fully thought through.

That is true of a bunch of people, they just are not famous, with a platform.

I hear China and United Arab Emirates  basketball leagues are good.   I doubt the NBA or Euro leagues will take another chance on him.

Yeah, a guy who craps on Catholicism going to Boston? That ain't happening.   Agree. Think he's donezo in the NBA.

I hadn't realized that his mother is Niele Ivey, head coach of the Notre Dame women's team.  That's got to be awkward.

And yes, his NBA career is probably over.  Star players can survive this stuff (Kyrie is an anti-Semite, Anthony Edwards has said some really ignorant stuff about homosexuals), but role players are going to get the Meyers Leonard treatment.  (To undermine my argument, Leonard did play nine games after his slur.)

Does sound like a mental health issue stemming from abuse (PTSD) and possibly other issues.  Despite his advocacy for spreading the word of god as he sees it and claiming things that I disagree with and that I believe can cause harm to others, I am hopeful that he can get help.  Importantly I hope that people who share his religious beliefs are able to differentiate between a commitment to beliefs and a mental health concern.  I think it's likely an issue of intensity and obsession which should be a red flag to those who may agree with his religious convictions, but nonetheless be concerned for his mental health.