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Should Jordan Walsh be playing more when the Celtic's defense can't stop a hot shooter?

No, never! Let's keep doing what we are doing. Who cares if he scored 10 straight times.
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Yes, it might be worth a try.
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I'm not sure?
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Should Jordan Walsh be playing more?
« on: Yesterday at 11:29:39 AM »

Offline Alleyoopster

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In a few games this year a hot scorer kept hitting at will. Yet, we kept the same rotation players on the court.

I sometimes wonder if it might be a good idea to put a player like Jordan on the court because it's much tougher to shoot over him than many of the rotational players. Any thoughts?

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« Reply #1 on: Yesterday at 11:37:10 AM »

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Depends on the matchup
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« Reply #2 on: Yesterday at 11:59:47 AM »

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I think as we are nearing the postseason and trying to reintegrate Tatum and maybe eventually Vucevic, it is important to stick with something like the playoff rotation at this time.  Mazzulla is going with a 9-man rotation (not surprising, that is what he has done every year and is not uncommon in the NBA), and Scheierman and Gonzalez beat out Walsh for minutes.  Walsh will need to stay ready, because he will get his chance in some series I expect, but I think the 9 players Joe is going with are the correct ones.

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« Reply #3 on: Yesterday at 12:18:37 PM »

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i think it depends on the situation and player he'd be defending.   Bigs and tiny guards, probably not.  wings, if the regular rotation players aren't getting it done then playing him may be worth a shot. 


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« Reply #4 on: Yesterday at 12:33:02 PM »

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Walsh did give Cade a very tough time when he defended him....Cade had to cry to the refs for help actually....and of course he got the BS calls.
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« Reply #5 on: Yesterday at 12:37:41 PM »

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I think as we are nearing the postseason and trying to reintegrate Tatum and maybe eventually Vucevic, it is important to stick with something like the playoff rotation at this time.  Mazzulla is going with a 9-man rotation (not surprising, that is what he has done every year and is not uncommon in the NBA), and Scheierman and Gonzalez beat out Walsh for minutes.  Walsh will need to stay ready, because he will get his chance in some series I expect, but I think the 9 players Joe is going with are the correct ones.

This is essentially what I was going to say.  I understand the suggestion to try something different, but Joe has been experimenting all season and he's decided that Scheierman is his best option, followed by Hugo.

I root for Walsh, but I can't definitively say that Joe is wrong.  BS has really upped his defensive game.  If he's getting beaten, Joe has plenty of other defenders (JB, Tatum, White) to put onto somebody before Walsh.


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Walsh could be like Oshae Brissett in 2024 who just fills in for spot minutes in a series due to foul trouble or injuries, just as a hustle/defense guy. But yeah they have a set 9-man rotation I think once Vucevic comes back.
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« Reply #7 on: Yesterday at 12:44:17 PM »

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I think as we are nearing the postseason and trying to reintegrate Tatum and maybe eventually Vucevic, it is important to stick with something like the playoff rotation at this time.  Mazzulla is going with a 9-man rotation (not surprising, that is what he has done every year and is not uncommon in the NBA), and Scheierman and Gonzalez beat out Walsh for minutes.  Walsh will need to stay ready, because he will get his chance in some series I expect, but I think the 9 players Joe is going with are the correct ones.

I agree with this entirely.

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« Reply #8 on: Yesterday at 03:30:33 PM »

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In a word, no.  I don't see it.  He came close to breaking through this season, but he could not sustain it.  Others are playing better, more consistently.

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« Reply #9 on: Yesterday at 05:16:07 PM »

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In a word, no.  I don't see it.  He came close to breaking through this season, but he could not sustain it.  Others are playing better, more consistently.

That is a great description of his season.

Completely agree.

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« Reply #10 on: Yesterday at 06:54:41 PM »

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In a few games this year a hot scorer kept hitting at will. Yet, we kept the same rotation players on the court.

I sometimes wonder if it might be a good idea to put a player like Jordan on the court because it's much tougher to shoot over him than many of the rotational players. Any thoughts?

With Tatum back and playing 30+ mpg, who do you suggest he would take the minutes from? Since there's a limited number of minutes available to everyone.
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i think it depends on the situation and player he'd be defending.   Bigs and tiny guards, probably not.  wings, if the regular rotation players aren't getting it done then playing him may be worth a shot.

Exactly. Walsh is a valuable player who can contribute.
Also, wasn't his shooting better when he had some regular minutes ?
We have been thru this with several players who were stuck on Mazzulla's bench until circumstances forced him to give them consistent minutes and they became solid contributors ........ Scheierman, Queta, Kornet, Garza, Hugo, Pritchard, Harper, Hauser ........................
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« Reply #12 on: Today at 01:55:00 AM »

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I think we would all love to see these guys play and get extended time because they have all shown they can shine in the right circumstances - Queta, Garza, Baylor and Hugo are great examples of how playing time can give a player confidence and certainty to develop. The problem is we have too many promising players for the total minutes in a game. If you assume our 10 player rotation (which is usually a 9 player rotation with Joe) is this, given that the total minutes available in a game is 240 (48 x 5):


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Player Mins Cumulative Minutes

Brown 35 35
White 35 70
Pritchard 32 102
Tatum 30 132
Queta 25 157
Hauser 25 182
Baylor 18 200
Garza 15 215
Hugo 15 230
Harper 10 240

Vuvecic 20 Need to come from players above
Walsh 15 Need to come from players above
Shulga 0
Williams 0
Bassey 0

(The minutes left column is a descending count of minutes available after each player's minutes is counted, counting down to zero.) With the 10 players in that rotation we're already at the 240 mins available in a game. So if we were to carve out minutes for Walsh they would have to come from those 10 players. Do we play Walsh 5 mins and Harper 5 mins? Walsh 7 and Harper 3? Take minutes from Hauser or PP? Is that going to be meaningful for them and not disruptive to the unit of 5 on the court who need to get into a rhythm with each other, know each other's spots on the court, not occupy the same places other players are, and not cause changes in coverages because the personnel is changing every 5 min?

Then also consider that Vucevic will presumably be returning and will probably play at least 20 mins a game...that one is simpler because those minutes will probably come from Garza, whose 15 mins will drop to zero, and then they will take 5 mins from someone else.

That's the problem, but it's a good problem to have. It's a math problem, given minutes are a limited resource and a professional basketball team isn't pickup ball where some dude can come in and start freestyling. It's like a symphony...each player needs to know that their teammates tendencies are, when they cut to the basket, when they pop, how soon they roll, who the help defender is, what each player's assignment is when the team is put in rotation, what parts of the court they set their screens...constant changing can disrupt that flow and chemistry that they might develop for that particular point in the game.

So I think what Joe has been doing, rather than the high school style of trying to give everyone a few mins here and there so they feel part of it, is to play individual players extended times in a game, to give them a chance to impact the game and to work on combinations or chemistry they may have with other players, while other bench players sit. So one game Hugo might play 20 min. Then the next he might sit and Walsh might play 20 mins. Or it would be based on matchups, or injuries.

Plus we're 10 games from the playoffs, where rotations will shorten, because the circle of trust gets smaller, and Joe will lean on proven combinations so players don't have to think about if someone is going to cut to the basket on a pin down, Brown just knows that Baylor will cut from the corner and he just throws the ball there. It's almost reflex because they know each other's habits.
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« Reply #13 on: Today at 07:23:11 AM »

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I'd like a rotation of one game for each guy. Hugo, Balor, Jordan. They all seem capable. I don't like when they go with all three for 5 mins each. I like them to have bigger chunks of playing time.

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« Reply #14 on: Today at 09:15:46 AM »

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No, What are doing is working,   I would not mind seeing Baylor replace Hauser  as the starter though.

Could Walsh help on certain defensive match ups?  Absolutely.