Brad

[Donoghus]

We're very lucky to have two very competent and savvy GMs run this basketball team for a nearly a quarter of a century.  Look around the NBA landscape and you'll see just how fortunate we are as fans.

[aefgogreen]

We're very lucky to have two very competent and savvy GMs run this basketball team for a nearly a quarter of a century.  Look around the NBA landscape and you'll see just how fortunate we are as fans.

Agreed! Also, there have been several posts about how we should have more championships under each of them. Getting one is hard, getting more than one is extremely hard. There have been seven champs in the past seven season.  The recent teams that have gotten more than 1 have all had at least 1 top 15 guy (maybe top 10 depending where you put Curry). Ainge and Stevens put together amazing rosters and got it right much more than they got it wrong.  You'd be hard pressed to find executives with better records when it comes to the moves they make and the results.

[Vermont Green]

GMs become known for their signature moves.  Red has a bunch.  Ainge has trading KG/Pierce and then drafting Tatum and Brown.

Brad has trading for White, Porzingis, Holiday, and maybe a few others.  Good, solid trades, but nothing legendary so far.  He hasn't really had the draft picks to do much in the draft, but has gotten decent value for the picks.

[aefgogreen]

GMs become known for their signature moves.  Red has a bunch.  Ainge has trading KG/Pierce and then drafting Tatum and Brown.

Brad has trading for White, Porzingis, Holiday, and maybe a few others.  Good, solid trades, but nothing legendary so far.  He hasn't really had the draft picks to do much in the draft, but has gotten decent value for the picks.

He'll have an opportunity in the future to decide what to do when Tatum and Brown get older.  I also think it will be difficult to make a deal as teams may be hesitant to give up too much after the results the Celtics have had under Ainge and Stevens.  But he's proven that the key to a good deal is finding the right partner.

[Roy H.]

GMs become known for their signature moves.  Red has a bunch.  Ainge has trading KG/Pierce and then drafting Tatum and Brown.

Brad has trading for White, Porzingis, Holiday, and maybe a few others.  Good, solid trades, but nothing legendary so far.  He hasn't really had the draft picks to do much in the draft, but has gotten decent value for the picks.

I wonder where the White deal will rank in Celtics history when all is said and done.  It's well behind Russell, the Brooklyn deal, McHale/Parish, certainly.  But, it's arguably right there with the DJ trade. 

[aefgogreen]

GMs become known for their signature moves.  Red has a bunch.  Ainge has trading KG/Pierce and then drafting Tatum and Brown.

Brad has trading for White, Porzingis, Holiday, and maybe a few others.  Good, solid trades, but nothing legendary so far.  He hasn't really had the draft picks to do much in the draft, but has gotten decent value for the picks.

I wonder where the White deal will rank in Celtics history when all is said and done.  It's well behind Russell, the Brooklyn deal, McHale/Parish, certainly.  But, it's arguably right there with the DJ trade.

We'll see if DWhite is part of a 2nd title...Fun Celtics history fact: when Bird found out they traded Robey (his drinking buddy), he asked why the C's would do that.  When he was informed it was for DJ, he got right behind the deal.

[slamtheking]

GMs become known for their signature moves.  Red has a bunch.  Ainge has trading KG/Pierce and then drafting Tatum and Brown.

Brad has trading for White, Porzingis, Holiday, and maybe a few others.  Good, solid trades, but nothing legendary so far.  He hasn't really had the draft picks to do much in the draft, but has gotten decent value for the picks.

I wonder where the White deal will rank in Celtics history when all is said and done.  It's well behind Russell, the Brooklyn deal, McHale/Parish, certainly.  But, it's arguably right there with the DJ trade.

I'd argue it's behind the KG deal as well.  I think the DJ was a bigger deal -- replacing an injured Tiny with someone who still had something left in the tank that was as key part of 2 more titles.  If we get another title with White being the clear #3 guy this time I think this could be a reasonable debate.

[aefgogreen]

GMs become known for their signature moves.  Red has a bunch.  Ainge has trading KG/Pierce and then drafting Tatum and Brown.

Brad has trading for White, Porzingis, Holiday, and maybe a few others.  Good, solid trades, but nothing legendary so far.  He hasn't really had the draft picks to do much in the draft, but has gotten decent value for the picks.

I wonder where the White deal will rank in Celtics history when all is said and done.  It's well behind Russell, the Brooklyn deal, McHale/Parish, certainly.  But, it's arguably right there with the DJ trade.

I'd argue it's behind the KG deal as well.  I think the DJ was a bigger deal -- replacing an injured Tiny with someone who still had something left in the tank that was as key part of 2 more titles.  If we get another title with White being the clear #3 guy this time I think this could be a reasonable debate.

I've gotta put KG before DJ (and DJ was my favorite player after Bird).  We were absolutely awful the year before.  Of course we got Allen too, but we don't approach a championship without Garnett.  But I agree that DJ had more years in front of him when we made the deal.

[Vermont Green]

GMs become known for their signature moves.  Red has a bunch.  Ainge has trading KG/Pierce and then drafting Tatum and Brown.

Brad has trading for White, Porzingis, Holiday, and maybe a few others.  Good, solid trades, but nothing legendary so far.  He hasn't really had the draft picks to do much in the draft, but has gotten decent value for the picks.

I wonder where the White deal will rank in Celtics history when all is said and done.  It's well behind Russell, the Brooklyn deal, McHale/Parish, certainly.  But, it's arguably right there with the DJ trade.

Ainge deserves a lot of credit for both bringing in KG, and knowing when to trade him.  That to me is a signature trade.  Trading the #1 to PHI and still getting Tatum, that applies also.  Red has a bunch that qualify.

I am not sure the White trade does, but that doesn't mean it was not a great trade.  That is my point.  Stevens does not have that signature trade, yet.

[timpiker]

Yes, Danny and Brad have been great, though I expect better than 2 titles in 20 years (given we've had some bad luck).

But to say they are better than Red Auerbach ?  Sorry, No.  Red didn't build two contenders. Red built, from scratch, three championship eras.

Of course, he put together the original Celtics 60's dynasty because he was smart enough to understand the value of Bill Russell and then had the ability to get in position to acquire him. After the 60's teams finally ran out, Red built the 70's juggernaut in just two seasons mostly with genius draft picks (Havlicek, Cowens, JoJo and Chaney) and the acquisition of Paul Silas. The late 70's brought John Y. Brown's ego that almost destroyed the franchise followed by possibly Red's greatest rebuild, drafting Larry Bird as a junior eligible and then executing the most lopsided trade in league history that brought McHale and Parrish to Boston. He also drafted Cedric Maxwell and traded for Dennis Johnson, two crucial pieces of the 80's title teams. Red then made yet another genius move to acquire the draft position to take Len Bias along with picking Reggie Lewis to insure the continuation of title contention, only to suffer the most disastrous losses of any franchise in league history that sent us into the 90's tailspin that took years to recover from.

Hey, I loved Red more than most but even you'll have to admit, the last 20 years, he didn't do much.  I remember trading Danny for Pinckney/Klein and 2 deaths.  And a LOT of very bad draft picks.

[Redz]

Yes, Danny and Brad have been great, though I expect better than 2 titles in 20 years (given we've had some bad luck).

But to say they are better than Red Auerbach ?  Sorry, No.  Red didn't build two contenders. Red built, from scratch, three championship eras.

Of course, he put together the original Celtics 60's dynasty because he was smart enough to understand the value of Bill Russell and then had the ability to get in position to acquire him. After the 60's teams finally ran out, Red built the 70's juggernaut in just two seasons mostly with genius draft picks (Havlicek, Cowens, JoJo and Chaney) and the acquisition of Paul Silas. The late 70's brought John Y. Brown's ego that almost destroyed the franchise followed by possibly Red's greatest rebuild, drafting Larry Bird as a junior eligible and then executing the most lopsided trade in league history that brought McHale and Parrish to Boston. He also drafted Cedric Maxwell and traded for Dennis Johnson, two crucial pieces of the 80's title teams. Red then made yet another genius move to acquire the draft position to take Len Bias along with picking Reggie Lewis to insure the continuation of title contention, only to suffer the most disastrous losses of any franchise in league history that sent us into the 90's tailspin that took years to recover from.

Hey, I loved Red more than most but even you'll have to admit, the last 20 years, he didn't do much.  I remember trading Danny for Pinckney/Klein and 2 deaths.  And a LOT of very bad draft picks.

Bias?s death and letting Larry and McHale play out their days as Celtics kind of sucked the life out Red?s latter days at the helm.  And don?t get me wrong, I wouldn?t have ever wanted to see Larry or McHale play elsewhere, but we are still seeing the benefits of cashing in veteran legends at the take end of their careers. 

[aefgogreen]

Yes, Danny and Brad have been great, though I expect better than 2 titles in 20 years (given we've had some bad luck).

But to say they are better than Red Auerbach ?  Sorry, No.  Red didn't build two contenders. Red built, from scratch, three championship eras.

Of course, he put together the original Celtics 60's dynasty because he was smart enough to understand the value of Bill Russell and then had the ability to get in position to acquire him. After the 60's teams finally ran out, Red built the 70's juggernaut in just two seasons mostly with genius draft picks (Havlicek, Cowens, JoJo and Chaney) and the acquisition of Paul Silas. The late 70's brought John Y. Brown's ego that almost destroyed the franchise followed by possibly Red's greatest rebuild, drafting Larry Bird as a junior eligible and then executing the most lopsided trade in league history that brought McHale and Parrish to Boston. He also drafted Cedric Maxwell and traded for Dennis Johnson, two crucial pieces of the 80's title teams. Red then made yet another genius move to acquire the draft position to take Len Bias along with picking Reggie Lewis to insure the continuation of title contention, only to suffer the most disastrous losses of any franchise in league history that sent us into the 90's tailspin that took years to recover from.

Hey, I loved Red more than most but even you'll have to admit, the last 20 years, he didn't do much.  I remember trading Danny for Pinckney/Klein and 2 deaths.  And a LOT of very bad draft picks.

Bias?s death and letting Larry and McHale play out their days as Celtics kind of sucked the life out Red?s latter days at the helm.  And don?t get me wrong, I wouldn?t have ever wanted to see Larry or McHale play elsewhere, but we are still seeing the benefits of cashing in veteran legends at the take end of their careers.

I would have been OK trading McHale, but not Bird and it has nothing to do with loyalty.  The deal that Ainge said Red couldn't have gotten for Bird would have netted ups Chuck Person.  This could have kept us above 500 and a playoff team, but I doubt we would have been a contender.  I would take 2 or 3 years with Larry Bird and the chance to get back to the finals over a longer career with Person every day of the week.  Now if we put Bird on the open market, maybe we could have gotten more for him - we'll never know.  For Mchale, we could have gotten Detlef Schremph - that's a deal I probably would have done.