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Re: Praise for Joe
« Reply #30 on: December 25, 2025, 04:19:14 AM »

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Agree with Roy, Mazzula deserves strong credit for our play so far.  I say that as someone who has been very critical of him at times.  Last season was a major failure, especially the playoffs. 3rd quarter of game 1 against the Knicks was straight up coaching malpractice after a successful, balanced first half.  It was the most ineffective and idiotic quarter of basketball I've ever seen, employing Joe's rigid 3-point happy philosophy and moving away from what was working. I'll never forget it, and quite frankly I think Joe helped us squander another title run.  But I digress.  If I'm going to criticize him, I should also praise him when things are going well.

The fact that we're still one of the top defensive teams despite the roster turnover and missing one of our best defenders in Tatum says a lot.  4th in defensive rating as a few games ago IIRC.  Always important to be a good defensive team, so I'm glad that's the emphasis.  The youngsters are developing well.  And the offense has been functioning better than expected while missing Tatum.  So props to Joe, for now.

Defense has not been the problem, for the most part, with Mazzulla.

It is his extreme 3-point heavy offensive scheme that is the main problem. Aggravating that is his stubborn, almost immature and insecure persona in regard to trying to justify that offense. SCeltic, you are right on target about last season's Knick series. Both Games 1 & 2 were coaching malpractice. Blowing two 20-point second half leads by recklessly continuing to shoot and miss 3-point shots without stopping play and adjusting the offense to create higher percentage shots was horrible coaching and cost us the series. I continue to be at a loss as to why there has never been alternative offensive strategies added to our schemes.
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Re: Praise for Joe
« Reply #31 on: December 26, 2025, 10:49:43 PM »

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It?s crazy that someone could watch this team and not credit coaching for how much better they are than the perceived preseason talent. That they could complain about ?stubborn 3 point shooting? when a) this (and previous) team shoot very well which leads to a very good win percentage and b) the offense is clearly varied and nuanced this year relying more than any team in the league on the mid range shot.

Mainly tho, This team just flat out plays harder 90% of the time than the opponent. That and the player growth have so much to do with coaching.

I don?t know how you could possibly watch the last two games especially and not come away with how top notch this Celtics coaching staff is. Likely top 3 in the league.

But the 3s!!😭
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Re: Praise for Joe
« Reply #32 on: December 26, 2025, 11:05:18 PM »

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I mentioned this in the game thread, Joe gets a lot of stick for his flaws and rightfully so but one thing I've been impressed with him with is his ability to get players to buy into his vision and play hard for him. We talk about tactics and timeouts and subs and all that tactical stuff but he has a whole staff to help him with that (I hope he's using them). I feel like his primary, and most important, role as head Coach is to make sure everyone is aligned and pulling in the same direction, with the same goal, with personal agendas subordinated to the overall goal, and to make sure everyone that plays adopts the team culture, sacrifices if needed, and he's definitely done that.

Compare that with Philly where even taking into account Embiid being in and out of the lineup, they have players that are all chasing their own agendas, some are stat padding so they can get paid, some are trying to get traded so they can get paid, some are trying to get scoring titles and nobody seems to be aligned and prepared to sacrifice. Their ream has definite Celtics 2018-19 vibes.
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Re: Praise for Joe
« Reply #33 on: January 02, 2026, 03:49:49 PM »

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Coach of the Month.

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San Antonio Spurs head coach Mitch Johnson and Boston Celtics head coach Joe Mazzulla have been named the NBA Western and Eastern Conference Coaches of the Month, respectively, for games played in December.


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Re: Praise for Joe
« Reply #34 on: January 02, 2026, 06:18:22 PM »

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Coach of the Month.

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San Antonio Spurs head coach Mitch Johnson and Boston Celtics head coach Joe Mazzulla have been named the NBA Western and Eastern Conference Coaches of the Month, respectively, for games played in December.

Given the astonishing success of this year?s Celtics it seems like a well earned award. 

Re: Praise for Joe
« Reply #35 on: January 02, 2026, 07:54:58 PM »

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I mentioned this in the game thread, Joe gets a lot of stick for his flaws and rightfully so but one thing I've been impressed with him with is his ability to get players to buy into his vision and play hard for him. We talk about tactics and timeouts and subs and all that tactical stuff but he has a whole staff to help him with that (I hope he's using them). I feel like his primary, and most important, role as head Coach is to make sure everyone is aligned and pulling in the same direction, with the same goal, with personal agendas subordinated to the overall goal, and to make sure everyone that plays adopts the team culture, sacrifices if needed, and he's definitely done that.

Compare that with Philly where even taking into account Embiid being in and out of the lineup, they have players that are all chasing their own agendas, some are stat padding so they can get paid, some are trying to get traded so they can get paid, some are trying to get scoring titles and nobody seems to be aligned and prepared to sacrifice. Their ream has definite Celtics 2018-19 vibes.
I couldn't agree more, especially the point about playing hard, which is fundamental to playing basketball well.

Re: Praise for Joe
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I heard a stat on the radio this morning that blew my mind, and immediately thought it couldn't be correct. In 18 seasons, Erik Spoelstra has four 50 plus game winning seasons. Btw, 3 of them coming when LeBron was there. Coach Mazzulla has four 50 plus game winning seasons in his four year career to date.

I guess that leads me to the following question. Why is coach Spoelstra so highly regarded as being a great head coach? If you asked an NBA fan to name the top 5 head coaches, he's seemingly automatically included.

Re: Praise for Joe
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Chris Gasper in the Globe had an article about Joe the other day. When Joe was asked what he thought about possibly winning Coach of the Year, here was his response - he deflected credit for the Cs success to the players and his staff.

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In his inimitable way, Mazzulla, who coaches with the intensity of a James Carville campaign manager, attempted to squelch his own campaign for NBA Coach of the Year on Monday in Atlanta before the loss to the Hawks. The Celtics? sideline shaman looked like he was being asked to gulp a glass of expired milk when asked what winning the award would mean before unleashing another Joe Gem.

?However there?s a way to make sure that the staff and the players get the appreciation, don?t need it. I think it?s a stupid award,? said Mazzulla, who has done a masterful job. ?They shouldn?t have it, and it?s more about the players. It?s more about the work that the staff puts in. It?s just that simple.

?I really don?t ever want to be asked about or talked about [regarding] it again. It?s just that dumb. The players play; it?s about them. The staff works their [butt] off. I?m grateful for that.?

Brad Stevens had this take:

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?I think that this group had a lot of unknowns coming into the year ? I think Joe has done a tremendous job of creating an environment that has literally empowered everyone to play well,? said Celtics president of basketball operations Brad Stevens, no stranger to great coaching jobs.

?Joe, rightfully so, will look to credit everyone else. I think that?s one of the reasons why he deserves a lot of credit. I appreciate the fact that he doesn?t care about the individual awards. The team and the team?s success is way more important to him, and that?s why he?s one of the leaders in the clubhouse for the award. That?s the way he?s wired.?


And I think it's fair to say a lot of us have doubted Joe, some of us just don't like his style, whether it's his personality, his approach to the game, his philosophy, or whatever it is. And after Tatum got injured and Jrue and KP were traded away and Al bailed on us, it's also fair to say a lot of us wrote the team off. Some were even advocating a tank season to get AJ, Boozer or Peterson (you know who you are  :police: ).

And I think most of us weren't sure how Joe would handle coaching a team that wasn't already full of talent, where all he had to do was point them in the right direction. How would he go with developing young players, discards from other teams? Could he develop a system that fit the players he has, with their limitations and inexperience?

Gasper says that question has been answered.

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There was a real question among some (raises hand) whether Mazzulla remained too philosophically inflexible to adapt to a squad that started the season without Tatum and the veteran firepower Mazzulla became accustomed to. From Day 1, when he ascended from the back row to take over for Ime Udoka in the wake of Udoka?s indiscretions, Mazzulla dealt with ready-made title contenders.

Not this time. Mazzulla was tasked with molding those pieces and the team?s style of play to fit them.

That?s what good coaches do: they fit the system to the talent, not the other way around. That?s what Mazzulla has done while still maintaining his basketball principles ? two-on-ones for everyone!

Since the Celtics delivered a bombs-away bomb against the lowly Jazz on Nov. 3 ? shooting 11 of 51 from 3-point range in a 105-103 loss ? they own the second-best offensive rating in the NBA (119.8 ). In their first eight games, capped by the Utah flop, they averaged 47.8 3-point attempts ? in line with last season when they established an NBA record at 48.3. After the line-of-demarcation loss, the volume decreased to 41.4 threes per game, a noticeable shift.

Mazzulla empowered Jaylen Brown to become a mid-range master and leader and unleash an MVP-caliber campaign. Last season, 5.6 percent of Boston?s points came via mid-range shots, which ranked 21st. This season, with Brown leading the way, Boston sat eighth in points via mid-range shots at 8.1 percent.

In 2024-25, just 41 percent of the Celtics? points came via 2-pointers, last in the 30-team NBA. This season, 2-point production has increased to 46.6 percent, which ranked 25th heading into Wednesday night?s tilt with the Heat ? marking a rebalancing of shot attempts to fit this roster, one that still carries sharpshooters Payton Pritchard, Derrick White, and Sam Hauser.

The Celtics are far from shy about launching from beyond the arc. But the ?Three For All? approach has been muted to a necessary degree.

The stats show that it's funny how we as fans often perceive the game - Joe and the Cs have a rep for chucking 3s, and when they miss them we tear our hair out. Why can't they change their approach? Take more 2s? The answer is - they have. The data says so.

I suggest our perceptions and frustrations are more to do with the make-miss principle - when shots go in, we are happy, when they don't we are sad. And since 2 pt shots usually go in around 50% of the time, half the time we are happy, even if those shots are worth less than 3s - because 3s only go in about 35% of the time, which means we are mad 65% of the time. We go through greater periods of anger and frustration in a game with a team that shoots 3s, because we don't get 33% happier because they made a 3 vs a 2. It's shots going in that make us happy, and shots missing upset us, irrespective of what they are worth.

In any case, according to Gasper, the data shows a recalibration of how they play, based on the talent they have. Jaylen Brown is tied with Shai for the most drives in the NBA, how about that?

And finally, Gasper says that the eye test shows that Joe is getting better at his in-game decision making, which is the part most of us see of him as a coach (we don't see him in staff meetings, reviewing film, directing his assistants, coaching players in training, so we mainly judge him by subs and timeouts and his in game system (as if that was the only thing he does). Here's his take:

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All season long, Boston?s bench boss has displayed a tremendous touch for which role players to employ when. He plays role-player roulette and keeps hitting ? knowing when to plug in Hauser, energetic rookie Hugo Gonz?lez, Jordan Walsh, Luka Garza, and Baylor Scheierman, who has taken off in his sophomore season. Mazzulla did the same with ex-Celtic Josh Minott early in the season. That contributed to Boston owning the No. 1 defense in the NBA in points allowed (106.9) entering Wednesday.

He won't win it - either Bickerstaff or Mitch Johnson will - but I think he deserves it, with what he's had to work with this year. People expected the Spurs to be good. They expected Detroit to be good The gap between everyone's expectations and the reality of the Cs season is huge, and I think Joe deserves a lot of credit for it.

Gasper's full article (if you have a sub) is at https://www.bostonglobe.com/2026/04/01/sports/joe-mazzulla-celtics-coach/
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Re: Praise for Joe
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I was wrong estimating his abilities .

He rarely smiles,   Less than  IME .  He has that serious look ,   You know ,   The look that many parents have ,  especially old ones like I had .  Just their presence was very powerful ,  they commanded respect .  No doubt who is in charge .

Joe has it .   The drill sergeant demeanor carrying himself well.   He gets what he wants from players , which is fair , he is their boss or leader

My best coaches were usually the tuff ones.  I tried harder for them .

His actual coaching skills have come a long way , this is where I was most surprised.

Brad seems to understand what is needed at this level to succeed.

Re: Praise for Joe
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I was wrong estimating his abilities .

He rarely smiles,   Less than  IME .  He has that serious look ,   You know ,   The look that many parents have m especially old ones like I had .  Just there presence was very powerful ,  they commanded respect .  No doubt who is in charge .

Joe has it .   The drill sergeant demeanor.  He gets what he wants from players , which is fair , he is their boss. 

My best coaches were usually the tuff ones.  I tried harder for them .

His actual coaching skills have come along ?.this is where I was most surprised.

Brad seems to understand what?s needed at this level to succeed.

I agree with the bolded.  Joe used to be a pretty lousy in-game coach.  Timeouts, rotations, in-game adjustments, ATOs and quarter-ending plays, etc.

He's gotten better.  I think he really benefitted from having experienced assistants around him in 2024, and even after Lee left, a lot of that has stayed in place.

Add to that his ability to motivate the team, particularly this season.  This team was counted out by just about everybody.  I pegged them for 40 wins, and that would have been considered optimistic by many.  Joe kept the team believing, even when the season started out poorly. 

And, he has absolutely earned COTY. 

That said, like a broken record I'll say that the real differentiation from coaches comes in the playoffs.  Joe has had one wildly successful playoff run in which the team met expectations.  He's had two playoff runs in which the team fell short.  Mostly it's on the players, and a huge part comes down to luck with injuries, but I'm not 100% certain yet which Joe we're going to get, at least in terms of adjusting on the fly and making changes when things aren't working. 

But, admittedly a large part of that is my anxiety as a fan, and it's a bit of an unfair standard.  Joe is good -- clearly good enough to win a title -- but I see flaws and I want somebody in control who doesn't have those flaws.  It's an entirely unrealistic standard.  But, I reserve my right to keep pushing it, haha.


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