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I honestly think Center is the weakest position in the NBA and not really worth trading for unless you are making a move for a top 5 Center. Team should have moved Simmons and not signed Garza or Minott. Then they could have simply just kept KP.

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I honestly think Center is the weakest position in the NBA and not really worth trading for unless you are making a move for a top 5 Center. Team should have moved Simmons and not signed Garza or Minott. Then they could have simply just kept KP.
I dont think moving Simons for significant cap savings would be a trivial task.

Given the reluctance to give up future picks we saw from Brad this offseason as a whole.

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I honestly think Center is the weakest position in the NBA and not really worth trading for unless you are making a move for a top 5 Center. Team should have moved Simmons and not signed Garza or Minott. Then they could have simply just kept KP.
I dont think moving Simons for significant cap savings would be a trivial task.

Given the reluctance to give up future picks we saw from Brad this offseason as a whole.
Simons is an expiring deal and he is a young scorer. I don't see how the would cost picks to move. You might not get more than a second back because it's a salary dump and other teams would know it, but it is a good deal for another team like say the Nets.

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I honestly think Center is the weakest position in the NBA and not really worth trading for unless you are making a move for a top 5 Center. Team should have moved Simmons and not signed Garza or Minott. Then they could have simply just kept KP.
I dont think moving Simons for significant cap savings would be a trivial task.

Given the reluctance to give up future picks we saw from Brad this offseason as a whole.
Simons is an expiring deal and he is a young scorer. I don't see how the would cost picks to move. You might not get more than a second back because it's a salary dump and other teams would know it, but it is a good deal for another team like say the Nets.



 He lead the Blazers in scoring last year.  Let the kid go nuts and trade him at the deadline.

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I honestly think Center is the weakest position in the NBA and not really worth trading for unless you are making a move for a top 5 Center. Team should have moved Simmons and not signed Garza or Minott. Then they could have simply just kept KP.
I dont think moving Simons for significant cap savings would be a trivial task.

Given the reluctance to give up future picks we saw from Brad this offseason as a whole.
Simons is an expiring deal and he is a young scorer. I don't see how the would cost picks to move. You might not get more than a second back because it's a salary dump and other teams would know it, but it is a good deal for another team like say the Nets.
But what team is it a good deal for?

His contract is 27 million. The Nets are the only team that can just absorb it. The Nets also already have Cam Thomas as an RFA.

So it is not a good deal for the Nets. Its actually not a good deal for almost anyone.

I'm sure we could trade him and save a few mil. But saving enough to be able to stay under the second apron without trading KP? Zero shot.

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I honestly think Center is the weakest position in the NBA and not really worth trading for unless you are making a move for a top 5 Center. Team should have moved Simmons and not signed Garza or Minott. Then they could have simply just kept KP.
I dont think moving Simons for significant cap savings would be a trivial task.

Given the reluctance to give up future picks we saw from Brad this offseason as a whole.
Simons is an expiring deal and he is a young scorer. I don't see how the would cost picks to move. You might not get more than a second back because it's a salary dump and other teams would know it, but it is a good deal for another team like say the Nets.



 He lead the Blazers in scoring last year.  Let the kid go nuts and trade him at the deadline.
He led the Blazers in scoring then after two years of trying the Blazers finally found someone to take him. Maybe his efficiency comes back up here, but there is not going to be a list of teams lining up to take on an volume scoring guard that doesnt defend.

This offseason has done nothing if not confirm that these types of players are not valued.

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I honestly think Center is the weakest position in the NBA and not really worth trading for unless you are making a move for a top 5 Center. Team should have moved Simmons and not signed Garza or Minott. Then they could have simply just kept KP.
I dont think moving Simons for significant cap savings would be a trivial task.

Given the reluctance to give up future picks we saw from Brad this offseason as a whole.
Simons is an expiring deal and he is a young scorer. I don't see how the would cost picks to move. You might not get more than a second back because it's a salary dump and other teams would know it, but it is a good deal for another team like say the Nets.

I don't know if we could have moved Simons in a similar deal to KP, but it's not like KP went for a haul. The Hawks traded Niang, Mann on a negative 3yr/$47M contract, and the #22 pick for him. For whatever reason, BKN was willing to take Mann for a late 1st, which was their 5th 1st in the 2025 draft.

I have to imagine Simons had/has at least similar value, but maybe the timing to make such a deal wasn't ideal and now we are past the draft and teams have basically rounded out their rosters.

But, yeah, I think we would all be happier with KP than Simons. If for nothing else than team needs. Simons might be awesome, but we are pretty well covered for starting level guards.

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I honestly think Center is the weakest position in the NBA and not really worth trading for unless you are making a move for a top 5 Center. Team should have moved Simmons and not signed Garza or Minott. Then they could have simply just kept KP.
I dont think moving Simons for significant cap savings would be a trivial task.

Given the reluctance to give up future picks we saw from Brad this offseason as a whole.
Simons is an expiring deal and he is a young scorer. I don't see how the would cost picks to move. You might not get more than a second back because it's a salary dump and other teams would know it, but it is a good deal for another team like say the Nets.
But what team is it a good deal for?

His contract is 27 million. The Nets are the only team that can just absorb it. The Nets also already have Cam Thomas as an RFA.

So it is not a good deal for the Nets. Its actually not a good deal for almost anyone.

I'm sure we could trade him and save a few mil. But saving enough to be able to stay under the second apron without trading KP? Zero shot.
Would have absolutely made sense for the Nets. They lack scoring. Simons and Thomas are both combo guards so they could be at either guard spot and offer better switching. Let's face it them switching is better than getting caught on every screen for them. That trio of Simons, Thomas and MPJ would have given them a good mix of offense enough to actually compete for playoffs.

As for salary I already mention not signing the duds before, that would have kept team under second apron and maintain KP.

The biggest issue by all reports is the C's want to fully reset and save money getting under the tax altogether. They still plan on moving Simons as a salary dump. So trading for a big is a moot point anyways as they don't care about this year. If they cared about this year they would have kept KP and moved Simons.

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I honestly think Center is the weakest position in the NBA and not really worth trading for unless you are making a move for a top 5 Center. Team should have moved Simmons and not signed Garza or Minott. Then they could have simply just kept KP.
I dont think moving Simons for significant cap savings would be a trivial task.

Given the reluctance to give up future picks we saw from Brad this offseason as a whole.
Simons is an expiring deal and he is a young scorer. I don't see how the would cost picks to move. You might not get more than a second back because it's a salary dump and other teams would know it, but it is a good deal for another team like say the Nets.
But what team is it a good deal for?

His contract is 27 million. The Nets are the only team that can just absorb it. The Nets also already have Cam Thomas as an RFA.

So it is not a good deal for the Nets. Its actually not a good deal for almost anyone.

I'm sure we could trade him and save a few mil. But saving enough to be able to stay under the second apron without trading KP? Zero shot.
Would have absolutely made sense for the Nets. They lack scoring. Simons and Thomas are both combo guards so they could be at either guard spot and offer better switching. Let's face it them switching is better than getting caught on every screen for them. That trio of Simons, Thomas and MPJ would have given them a good mix of offense enough to actually compete for playoffs.

As for salary I already mention not signing the duds before, that would have kept team under second apron and maintain KP.

The biggest issue by all reports is the C's want to fully reset and save money getting under the tax altogether. They still plan on moving Simons as a salary dump. So trading for a big is a moot point anyways as they don't care about this year. If they cared about this year they would have kept KP and moved Simons.
Could not disagree more.

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I have seen a lot of Claxton rumors lately.   I don't see the Nets trading him for Simmons.  Claxton must be the rumor of the week.  You know reporters make up rumors to get clicks.  Sports Illustrated and the Heavy are throwing this out there as a proposed trade.

But they have a lot of bigs, Noah Clowney, Michael Porter Jr.,  Drew Timme, Danny Wolf, Day'Ron Sharpe  and Nic Claxton. You might be able to trade for one of them.  I think Porter and Claxton will be the starters.   I bet they would would want a monster haul after the history of past trades with them.

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Claxton is a career 54% FT shooter, he was 51% last season so not getting better.  To me, that disqualifies him from being a core player on a title contending team.

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Claxton is a career 54% FT shooter, he was 51% last season so not getting better.  To me, that disqualifies him from being a core player on a title contending team.

Bill Russell's career free throw percentage in the NBA was 56.1%
.  Now Claxton, is no Bill Russell, but my point is, having one low FT shooter does not make you a non contending team.

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Claxton is a career 54% FT shooter, he was 51% last season so not getting better.  To me, that disqualifies him from being a core player on a title contending team.

Bill Russell's career free throw percentage in the NBA was 56.1%
.  Now Claxton, is no Bill Russell, but my point is, having one low FT shooter does not make you a non contending team.

https://www.espn.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/4152/bill-russell
Bill Russell retired over 55 years ago

I do think you can survive awful free throw shooting. But we saw first hand how hard it was for NYK to keep Mitchell Robinson on the floor in the playoffs.
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Would have absolutely made sense for the Nets. They lack scoring. Simons and Thomas are both combo guards so they could be at either guard spot and offer better switching. Let's face it them switching is better than getting caught on every screen for them. That trio of Simons, Thomas and MPJ would have given them a good mix of offense enough to actually compete for playoffs.

As for salary I already mention not signing the duds before, that would have kept team under second apron and maintain KP.

The biggest issue by all reports is the C's want to fully reset and save money getting under the tax altogether. They still plan on moving Simons as a salary dump. So trading for a big is a moot point anyways as they don't care about this year. If they cared about this year they would have kept KP and moved Simons.

I disagree with the first part, you do not mask a terrible guard defender with another terrible guard defender, that just makes the situation worse. On the whole, I do not believe Simons has any real value to a contending team unless his salary is around the taxpayer mid level. There was some talk of basically getting for Simons what you got for KP - that was not a possibility. KP has value because despite his constant injury status, he is over 7 feet tall with value on both sides of the ball in the most meaningful ways - elite long distance shooting and rim protection. There are maybe a half dozen or so guys in the league who bring what he can when healthy (huge asterisk). Simons brings long distance shooting but negative defense and is a smallish guard by current standards. It would and will be near impossible to trade him for just a salary under 8 figures (like Niang).

But I am more interested in the last paragraph you wrote - what reports are saying the Cs want to get under the tax altogether? They would need to chop $18 million in salary to get there and have not made a serious move in a month. If they were actually trying to get below the tax level, the move is / would be to trade Jaylen. I hate losing Jaylen but it is hard to get below the tax level when you have almost 90% of the cap committed to three guys and one of them - the actual super max guy -  will not be playing.

I fear that the Celtics will have a hard time returning to title contention with so much salary tied up in Brown unless they nail a pick or two. But since the Celtics have chosen not to go that route, I do not see how they can be expecting to get below the tax absent buyouts / waive and stretch. So I have a hard time believing they have been operating with the goal of getting below the tax. I think they just wanted to get below the second apron. They did that and now are just quiet.

To be fair, this was a difficult summer to drop a ton of salary because nobody had meaningful cap space except Brooklyn so there was no opportunity to, say, dangle White to a team with cap space for just picks. And now that much of the major offseason action is done teams are settling in to what they have and they have less - not none, but less - wiggle room to take on a lot of extra salary. That will make it harder to get below the tax if the Celtics find themselves as a .500 or worse team in December / January. But maybe the hope is that at some point a team in contention is willing to take on an extra $5 to 7 million in short term salary (and maybe they happen to have $20-24 in expiring contracts) to add Simons for nothing of substance. And maybe a contender has retained their taxpayer mid level and hard cap space and can acquire Hauser for a couple of seconds or maybe even a late first (I doubt that and do not expect it). And that might get the Celtics close enough to allow one more move that could get them under the tax level. It is just harder to see now, so I have doubts that the front office ever really looked at getting below the tax altogether.

I do hope I am wrong because I see little value in being a bottom tier play in candidate in a very weak conference, I would much prefer they take their chances in the lottery to have a better chance at nailing one of those draft picks they will need to nail to extend the Tatum-Brown competitive window. And if they are doing that, I would rather have at least one year below the tax so they can better decide how to proceed next summer.
Go Celtics.