Our bigs going forward

[Vermont Green]

So if Queeta starts (it seems safe to say he's ahead of Tillman and Garza), who is at the four? I think it might be Niang.

I think you may have it right.  I think they will start Simons even though on a contending team, he may well be more suited to the microwave off the bench role.  If Simons starts, I would play Hauser and Pritchard off the bench.  Coming off surgery, it seems wrong to ask Brown to play PF, so I see them playing 2 real bigs.

White
Simons
Brown
Tillman or Garza
Queta

Amari Williams is the back up C.  Pritchard and Hauser make a top 9.  Niang, Scheierman, and Walsh probably play some regular minutes.

[Csfan1984]

I see depth chart as

Simons, PP
White, Sheierman
Hauser, Peterson
Niange, Garza
Queta, _____,

Brown "IR" till at least November.

Have no clue if White gets moved but I'd expect he does as C's light tank.

[Who]

Is Luka Garza quick enough to play PF?

[celticinorlando]

Is Luka Garza quick enough to play PF?

No. Not at all.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Here's an idea:

Bulls receive Kuminga (SnT 4 years/120m), Moody
Warriors receive Simons, Niang
Celtics receive Dosunmu, Collins, 2 future Chicago 1sts

Bulls have been rumored to be the main suitor for Kuminga for a while. Moving forward, they have Kuminga-Vuceviv-White-Moody-Giddey with Buzelis-Essengue-Okoro off the bench.

Warriors are wanting to get positive value back for Kuminga. I'm guess they want White, but to this point, it seems like White hasn't been available by the Bulls. Instead, they get a better, less all-over-the-place version of Jordan Poole to help carry the offensive load. They also get Niang, who would fit really well in their offense.

Celtics get continued flexibility. They would be oh-so-close to being under the tax line if they signed Horford and Gonzalez. If Horford leaves (could be included as part of this deal in a sign-and-trade?), then they might be just able to squeeze under the tax threshold with Gonzalez and a 2nd round contract. We get Dosunmu and give him the opportunity to continue to grow in a good system in a contract year. We also get Zach Collins as a reclamation project that can eat up minutes in our big rotation.

One first from the Bulls here is part of the value of the trade, and the other 1st is to get off of Collins contract.

[Ilikesports17]

Here's an idea:

Bulls receive Kuminga (SnT 4 years/120m), Moody
Warriors receive Simons, Niang
Celtics receive Dosunmu, Collins, 2 future Chicago 1sts

Bulls have been rumored to be the main suitor for Kuminga for a while. Moving forward, they have Kuminga-Vuceviv-White-Moody-Giddey with Buzelis-Essengue-Okoro off the bench.

Warriors are wanting to get positive value back for Kuminga. I'm guess they want White, but to this point, it seems like White hasn't been available by the Bulls. Instead, they get a better, less all-over-the-place version of Jordan Poole to help carry the offensive load. They also get Niang, who would fit really well in their offense.

Celtics get continued flexibility. They would be oh-so-close to being under the tax line if they signed Horford and Gonzalez. If Horford leaves (could be included as part of this deal in a sign-and-trade?), then they might be just able to squeeze under the tax threshold with Gonzalez and a 2nd round contract. We get Dosunmu and give him the opportunity to continue to grow in a good system in a contract year. We also get Zach Collins as a reclamation project that can eat up minutes in our big rotation.

One first from the Bulls here is part of the value of the trade, and the other 1st is to get off of Collins contract.

You?ve gotta understand Simons is negative value. No one is giving you anything for him.

[tonydelk]

Is Luka Garza quick enough to play PF?

No. Not at all.

Luka is another Enes (Kanter) Freedom.  He's a load in the paint.  Has good moves, can score and step out and hit the three.

On defense he's a black hole.  Can't defend in drop coverage and is really bad on the perimeter.  He can handle a zone but that's about it.  He was this way in college.  A beast on the offensive end but terrible on defense.  Slow feet and no recovery skills because of his lack of lift and explosion.

[radiohead]

Still no word on Big Al? I came upon an interesting post on X a while ago. If Al decides to leave for a second time, it would be very hard to justify retiring his number. He?ll be a Bill Walton, beloved by fans but not enough reason to have his number in the rafters. 

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Here's an idea:

Bulls receive Kuminga (SnT 4 years/120m), Moody
Warriors receive Simons, Niang
Celtics receive Dosunmu, Collins, 2 future Chicago 1sts

Bulls have been rumored to be the main suitor for Kuminga for a while. Moving forward, they have Kuminga-Vuceviv-White-Moody-Giddey with Buzelis-Essengue-Okoro off the bench.

Warriors are wanting to get positive value back for Kuminga. I'm guess they want White, but to this point, it seems like White hasn't been available by the Bulls. Instead, they get a better, less all-over-the-place version of Jordan Poole to help carry the offensive load. They also get Niang, who would fit really well in their offense.

Celtics get continued flexibility. They would be oh-so-close to being under the tax line if they signed Horford and Gonzalez. If Horford leaves (could be included as part of this deal in a sign-and-trade?), then they might be just able to squeeze under the tax threshold with Gonzalez and a 2nd round contract. We get Dosunmu and give him the opportunity to continue to grow in a good system in a contract year. We also get Zach Collins as a reclamation project that can eat up minutes in our big rotation.

One first from the Bulls here is part of the value of the trade, and the other 1st is to get off of Collins contract.

You?ve gotta understand Simons is negative value. No one is giving you anything for him.

He isn't though. We've had him for like two weeks and everyone assumes he's untradeable.

[Ilikesports17]

Here's an idea:

Bulls receive Kuminga (SnT 4 years/120m), Moody
Warriors receive Simons, Niang
Celtics receive Dosunmu, Collins, 2 future Chicago 1sts

Bulls have been rumored to be the main suitor for Kuminga for a while. Moving forward, they have Kuminga-Vuceviv-White-Moody-Giddey with Buzelis-Essengue-Okoro off the bench.

Warriors are wanting to get positive value back for Kuminga. I'm guess they want White, but to this point, it seems like White hasn't been available by the Bulls. Instead, they get a better, less all-over-the-place version of Jordan Poole to help carry the offensive load. They also get Niang, who would fit really well in their offense.

Celtics get continued flexibility. They would be oh-so-close to being under the tax line if they signed Horford and Gonzalez. If Horford leaves (could be included as part of this deal in a sign-and-trade?), then they might be just able to squeeze under the tax threshold with Gonzalez and a 2nd round contract. We get Dosunmu and give him the opportunity to continue to grow in a good system in a contract year. We also get Zach Collins as a reclamation project that can eat up minutes in our big rotation.

One first from the Bulls here is part of the value of the trade, and the other 1st is to get off of Collins contract.

You?ve gotta understand Simons is negative value. No one is giving you anything for him.

He isn't though. We've had him for like two weeks and everyone assumes he's untradeable.

Why do you think he has value. Look at the going rate for similar style players this summer.

Colin Sexton is a better cheaper version of him and look at what his return was

[Vermont Green]

Still no word on Big Al? I came upon an interesting post on X a while ago. If Al decides to leave for a second time, it would be very hard to justify retiring his number. He'll be a Bill Walton, beloved by fans but not enough reason to have his number in the rafters.

No rafter for Horford in any case.  That is pretty rarified air up there.  Maxwell was considered a stretch and he was a finals MVP.  Nothing against Horford, love what he has brought to the team this latest run, just not Celtics' rafter material.

[slamtheking]

Still no word on Big Al? I came upon an interesting post on X a while ago. If Al decides to leave for a second time, it would be very hard to justify retiring his number. He'll be a Bill Walton, beloved by fans but not enough reason to have his number in the rafters.

No rafter for Horford in any case.  That is pretty rarified air up there.  Maxwell was considered a stretch and he was a finals MVP.  Nothing against Horford, love what he has brought to the team this latest run, just not Celtics' rafter material.

agreed.

it'd be a different discussion if they raised the banner in '22 and this season but only players on this team in the discussion for going in the rafters are Brown and Tatum and I wouldn't even guarantee them right now.

[Vermont Green]

You've gotta understand Simons is negative value. No one is giving you anything for him.

He isn't though. We've had him for like two weeks and everyone assumes he's untradeable.

I have been assuming that he has some value, but then the Sexton trade scared me a little. Sexton and a future 2nd for just Jusuf Nurkić.  My sense is that Sexton and Simons are not all that different in terms of value and Simons has a much bigger contract.  Jusuf Nurkić seemed like pretty much dead weight, not much more value than Garza.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Here's an idea:

Bulls receive Kuminga (SnT 4 years/120m), Moody
Warriors receive Simons, Niang
Celtics receive Dosunmu, Collins, 2 future Chicago 1sts

Bulls have been rumored to be the main suitor for Kuminga for a while. Moving forward, they have Kuminga-Vuceviv-White-Moody-Giddey with Buzelis-Essengue-Okoro off the bench.

Warriors are wanting to get positive value back for Kuminga. I'm guess they want White, but to this point, it seems like White hasn't been available by the Bulls. Instead, they get a better, less all-over-the-place version of Jordan Poole to help carry the offensive load. They also get Niang, who would fit really well in their offense.

Celtics get continued flexibility. They would be oh-so-close to being under the tax line if they signed Horford and Gonzalez. If Horford leaves (could be included as part of this deal in a sign-and-trade?), then they might be just able to squeeze under the tax threshold with Gonzalez and a 2nd round contract. We get Dosunmu and give him the opportunity to continue to grow in a good system in a contract year. We also get Zach Collins as a reclamation project that can eat up minutes in our big rotation.

One first from the Bulls here is part of the value of the trade, and the other 1st is to get off of Collins contract.

You?ve gotta understand Simons is negative value. No one is giving you anything for him.

He isn't though. We've had him for like two weeks and everyone assumes he's untradeable.

Why do you think he has value. Look at the going rate for similar style players this summer.

Colin Sexton is a better cheaper version of him and look at what his return was

Differenet situation. Different player. Simons has good value around the league. He's not going to get a Bridges type of return, but he is not a negative value.

[Jiri Welsch]

Differenet situation. Different player. Simons has good value around the league. He's not going to get a Bridges type of return, but he is not a negative value.

What makes you sure that Simons has such higher value? All reports to date seem to suggest otherwise.