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Re: JOE, needs to play more guys.
« Reply #30 on: May 09, 2025, 02:52:40 PM »

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Which deep bench player is going to change the offense?

We don't have a 3rd string PG who can do it. Our backup wings are spot-up shooters. Our 3rd string C (Queta) is a rim runner just like our 2nd string C is (Kornet).

In games were it was primarily about offensive execution, I don't see how deep bench guys are going to change things. They don't have the ball in their hands. They don't create their own offense. They don't push tempo.

I would disagree with this a little (and count me with the Brissett fans). You don't need to be an offensive player to provide a spark: a rebound, a steal, a deflection, these are all things that can help you get easy buckets on the other end or keep a possession alive. Anything on the defensive end helps with both momentum and simply not allowing the other team to set up on D.

Specifically about Brissett, he only played meaningful minutes in 2 playoff games last year 5/23 and 5/25 against the Pacers (Kornett sprained his wrist earlier in the game on 5/23, leading to Brissett's minutes). As soon as he goes in, he grabs a rebound, has a deflection, has a steal, successfully covers both McConnell and Turner. He was +15 not including garbage time minutes. (To be fair, next game he was -6, but then Tillman gets some minutes with the starters and is +12, another deeper bench guy getting some time).

I'm always a fan of putting some deeper (but capable) bench guys out there on a very short leash, both to give key guys a brief rest, and just to throw a curve/changeup to the other team expecting a fastball. Not specifically a Joe criticism, because this is something most coaches don't do, and it's hard to argue the C's are tired when we're playing against a Thibs team (with 4 guys averaging 40+ mpg and coming off a series with less rest), but here we are.

Very well said. TP

Re: JOE, needs to play more guys.
« Reply #31 on: May 09, 2025, 03:01:11 PM »

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Should have kept Walker and Brissett. ;)

Yep! Lonnie Walkers average the last 10 games of the season: 18pts, 3ast, 3rebs with shooting splits of 46/37/78.
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Re: JOE, needs to play more guys.
« Reply #32 on: May 13, 2025, 06:56:24 PM »

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Maybe Joe will play more guys now... :(

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« Reply #33 on: May 14, 2025, 05:36:10 AM »

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Maybe Joe will play more guys now... :(

You're about to get your wish Liam, probably not in the way you wanted it though  :(
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« Reply #34 on: May 15, 2025, 03:24:19 PM »

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Maybe Joe will play more guys now... :(

You're about to get your wish Liam, probably not in the way you wanted it though  :(

Joe still needs to play more guys. The Knicks weren't ready for Luke last night and they aren't game planing for any of our deep bench guys. Size seems to bother Brunson  with JB so why not give Walsh a little time on him? Give Tillman some time on Kat. Big and strong with quick feet...

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« Reply #35 on: May 15, 2025, 03:36:59 PM »

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Maybe Joe will play more guys now... :(

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« Reply #36 on: May 15, 2025, 03:40:12 PM »

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Maybe Joe will play more guys now... :(

You're about to get your wish Liam, probably not in the way you wanted it though  :(

Joe still needs to play more guys. The Knicks weren't ready for Luke last night and they aren't game planing for any of our deep bench guys. Size seems to bother Brunson  with JB so why not give Walsh a little time on him? Give Tillman some time on Kat. Big and strong with quick feet...

you think Q or X could lock down KAT?  forget anunoby what about brunson? if we limit him and KAT we win. anunoby cannot carry them or hart IMO.
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« Reply #37 on: May 15, 2025, 03:40:20 PM »

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Maybe Joe will play more guys now... :(

You're about to get your wish Liam, probably not in the way you wanted it though  :(

Joe still needs to play more guys. The Knicks weren't ready for Luke last night and they aren't game planing for any of our deep bench guys. Size seems to bother Brunson  with JB so why not give Walsh a little time on him? Give Tillman some time on Kat. Big and strong with quick feet...

Nah, not those guys.  Walsh is a complete zero at the offensive end and shouldn't get playoff minutes.  I could say the same thing about Tillman, on top of the fact that the quick feet he used to have are gone.  It's tough to play guys who can't do anything at one end, especially given that two of our three losses have been due to offensive dead periods. 

I'd buy an argument that we could give Queta a shot to see if he can impact the game for a bit.  And pick one of Scheierman or Craig.  Craig is a more reliable defensive presence but his passivity on offense makes him tough to put on the court for long - he's not quite as hopeless as Walsh (arguably; his splits with us are pretty ghastly but at least he has a track record) but he's still a minus.  Scheierman is limited athletically and might be more prone to making mistakes but he'll bust his ass and let it fly, for better or worse.  But Hauser was good in G4 so getting one of those guys on the court is less of a priority.
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« Reply #38 on: May 15, 2025, 06:33:30 PM »

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I could see a couple bench guys for a few minutes but NEVER NEVER NEVER would I play Walsh. And for that matter I wouldn't play Tillman either. Maybe Sheyerman, Craig or Queta. But Walsh, No thanks. He gives effort but always comes up empty.

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« Reply #39 on: May 15, 2025, 06:36:34 PM »

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I could see a couple bench guys for a few minutes but NEVER NEVER NEVER would I play Walsh. And for that matter I wouldn't play Tillman either. Maybe Sheyerman, Craig or Queta. But Walsh, No thanks. He gives effort but always comes up empty.

yeah i cannot see any non regulars playing except MAYBE Q or sheiermen.
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« Reply #40 on: May 17, 2025, 07:10:27 PM »

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So guys were hurt or sick and just flat out exhausted but Joe refused to play more guys...


https://sports.yahoo.com/article/joe-mazzulla-takes-unexpected-path-103000109.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

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« Reply #41 on: May 17, 2025, 07:11:53 PM »

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We should only have 8 guys on the roster next year... Joe doesn't need more...

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« Reply #42 on: May 17, 2025, 07:19:43 PM »

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Joe played a guy who could breath with Q and Kornet right there...


https://www.yahoo.com/sports/article/porzingis-candidly-reflects-illness-impacted-000718254.html