Jrue the odd man out?

[Phantom255x]

How about Jrue and Hauser and 2 future seconds to Sacramento for DeRozan and filler? Maybe a 3rd team is included to facilitate the move.

Sacramento is gonna need to try something else as well, and maybe they'll be fine adding Jrue for his defense on the team which is a big area they struggle in. Hauser gives them another perimeter weapon.

[jambr380]

How about Jrue and Hauser and 2 future seconds to Sacramento for DeRozan and filler? Maybe a 3rd team is included to facilitate the move.

Sacramento is gonna need to try something else as well, and maybe they'll be fine adding Jrue for his defense on the team which is a big area they struggle in. Hauser gives them another perimeter weapon.

I think this is really undercutting the value of both guys. Hauser can simply be traded into another team?s MLE - that is valuable - so I imagine he could even fetch a 1st because of his great contract.

And I think Jrue is just a more desirable player than DeRozan. At least to other teams. He was just on the gold medal team. DD is also signed for two more years, so that isn?t great either.

If Jrue is dealt, I think it?s going to be to a team that legit wants him, not a team that we are giving up assets to in order to dump him. That can be done by taking on multiple smaller contract players. It would then likely be easier to trade those players (either in a bigger deal or after 30 days) because they aren?t on mega contracts.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

This seems a bit premature. ESPN reporting today that the cap is going up by 10% and the 2nd apron up to 207.8m. We will be 10m over the 2nd apron. Still may be necessary to adjust the roster, but that gets us a lot closer.

[keevsnick]

This seems a bit premature. ESPN reporting today that the cap is going up by 10% and the 2nd apron up to 207.8m. We will be 10m over the 2nd apron. Still may be necessary to adjust the roster, but that gets us a lot closer.

Don't know where you are getting that 10 million number. With the 11 players the Celtics have under contract for next seaosn they are 18 million over the second apron (around 226 million), and still need to add three more guys to get to the 14 minimum players.

[Kernewek]

This seems a bit premature. ESPN reporting today that the cap is going up by 10% and the 2nd apron up to 207.8m. We will be 10m over the 2nd apron. Still may be necessary to adjust the roster, but that gets us a lot closer.

Player contracts are always a percentage of the salary cap, though, so if the cap rises the players are paid more commensurately.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

This seems a bit premature. ESPN reporting today that the cap is going up by 10% and the 2nd apron up to 207.8m. We will be 10m over the 2nd apron. Still may be necessary to adjust the roster, but that gets us a lot closer.

Don't know where you are getting that 10 million number. With the 11 players the Celtics have under contract for next seaosn they are 18 million over the second apron (around 226 million), and still need to add three more guys to get to the 14 minimum players.

I must have misread it. Thanks for the correction.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

This seems a bit premature. ESPN reporting today that the cap is going up by 10% and the 2nd apron up to 207.8m. We will be 10m over the 2nd apron. Still may be necessary to adjust the roster, but that gets us a lot closer.

Player contracts are always a percentage of the salary cap, though, so if the cap rises the players are paid more commensurately.

Is that true? I think that is true for max deals like Tatum and Brown, but not for the rest of the contracts.

[Kernewek]

This seems a bit premature. ESPN reporting today that the cap is going up by 10% and the 2nd apron up to 207.8m. We will be 10m over the 2nd apron. Still may be necessary to adjust the roster, but that gets us a lot closer.

Player contracts are always a percentage of the salary cap, though, so if the cap rises the players are paid more commensurately.

Is that true? I think that is true for max deals like Tatum and Brown, but not for the rest of the contracts.

Yes, it is true - it generally only comes up during discussions around max deals, but every NBA salary is negotiated as a percentage of the cap, even though the subsequent raises are a fixed percentage, which is why they can scale differently from the cap. There are other factors (length of service is the most universal one, which is why the max for a 10-year player is more than the max for a 5-year player).

I might have misunderstood your original point, though - I read it as: if the salary cap goes up we have more money to sign players to new deals - that's not quite correct, given that new contracts are tied to the cap - so a new Vet Min deal will be more expensive if the cap goes up.

[Celtics2021]

This seems a bit premature. ESPN reporting today that the cap is going up by 10% and the 2nd apron up to 207.8m. We will be 10m over the 2nd apron. Still may be necessary to adjust the roster, but that gets us a lot closer.

Player contracts are always a percentage of the salary cap, though, so if the cap rises the players are paid more commensurately.

Is that true? I think that is true for max deals like Tatum and Brown, but not for the rest of the contracts.

It is mostly not true.  Some contract values are pegged to the cap number in the first year only.  So Tatum?s extension kicks in next season, and it is 35% of the cap number.  But White?s and Hauser?s extensions were not pegged to the cap, and they will not change.  Likewise Brown?s extension is currently in year 1, so it is also locked in regardless of future caps.

First round slot values are pegged, but again only for year 1.  So Scheierman is unaffected, but pick 28, should we make it, increases by 10%.  New minimum contracts and other free agency exceptions like the full MLE are also affected, but current minimum deals (such as Tillman?s) do not change.

Also, the cap was almost always going to increase by 10% because of the new TV deal, so I imagine every team had this number budgeted.  It will increase 10% every year of the CBA, because the increase is capped at 10% and anything extra rolls over to the next year.  If the Celtics were gutsy, they would keep the team together this offseason and let the apron level catch up to them in another year.

[Kernewek]

In the interests of arguing about dumb and pedantic things that don't involve anything more serious than basketball: all contract values are pegged to the cap in the first year - as I said. The annual raises for the rest of the contract are negotiated between the player & the team.

The reason it's most common for a max deal to be discussed as a percentage of the cap is, to risk tautology, that it is the biggest percentage of the salary cap that the team can sign the player for.


That's why the concern over Brown, for example, is misguided: if he's getting an 8% raise each year but the salary cap rises 10% each year, that's bad for him, and good for the team. If the cap rises 4% and he gets an 8% raise, that's good for him, bad for the team.

[Roy H.]

In the interests of arguing about dumb and pedantic things that don't involve anything more serious than basketball: all contract values are pegged to the cap in the first year - as I said.

Since we're being pedantic, I'm not sure that you're stating this accurately.  If a team signs its own free agent to a $4 million contract in the first year using Bird rights, for instance, it has nothing to do with the salary cap amount.  The same would be true if a team signed a player to an MLE contract for $4 million in the first year, etc.

[Kernewek]

In the interests of arguing about dumb and pedantic things that don't involve anything more serious than basketball: all contract values are pegged to the cap in the first year - as I said.

Since we're being pedantic, I'm not sure that you're stating this accurately.  If a team signs its own free agent to a $4 million contract in the first year using Bird rights, for instance, it has nothing to do with the salary cap amount.  The same would be true if a team signed a player to an MLE contract for $4 million in the first year, etc.

Yes and no - the best kind of pedantry - because the figures on offer are still tied to the salary cap. i.e. if the salary cap increases by 4% then the MLE exception amounts will also increase by 4%, to use the example from Larry Coon's CBA FAQ in Question 25: http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q25

So if we sign someone to an MLE contract of $4M, that's $4M out of the total MLE pot, which is a dollar figure determined by the salary cap. But! You're also correct that the exception contract doesn't tie directly to the salary cap, which may be why it's called an exception.

[Goldstar88]

How about Jrue and Hauser and 2 future seconds to Sacramento for DeRozan and filler? Maybe a 3rd team is included to facilitate the move.

Sacramento is gonna need to try something else as well, and maybe they'll be fine adding Jrue for his defense on the team which is a big area they struggle in. Hauser gives them another perimeter weapon.

DeRozan is older than Jrue! 

[Phantom255x]

How about Jrue and Hauser and 2 future seconds to Sacramento for DeRozan and filler? Maybe a 3rd team is included to facilitate the move.

Sacramento is gonna need to try something else as well, and maybe they'll be fine adding Jrue for his defense on the team which is a big area they struggle in. Hauser gives them another perimeter weapon.

DeRozan is older than Jrue! 

Doesn't he make like 9M less than Jrue though?

Idk I'm just trying to think of ideas. I wanted Aldama from Memphis in a trade but I just realized Aldama is a FA this offseason anyways... 

I think the two teams who will go after Jrue are the Grizzlies and Rockets. Maybe the Magic if they decide to move on from KCP or just want another defensive-minded guard/veteran. Outside of that I can't think of other teams really. Detroit? Idk

[jambr380]

How about Jrue and Hauser and 2 future seconds to Sacramento for DeRozan and filler? Maybe a 3rd team is included to facilitate the move.

Sacramento is gonna need to try something else as well, and maybe they'll be fine adding Jrue for his defense on the team which is a big area they struggle in. Hauser gives them another perimeter weapon.

DeRozan is older than Jrue! 

Doesn't he make like 9M less than Jrue though?

Idk I'm just trying to think of ideas. I wanted Aldama from Memphis in a trade but I just realized Aldama is a FA this offseason anyways... 

I think the two teams who will go after Jrue are the Grizzlies and Rockets. Maybe the Magic if they decide to move on from KCP or just want another defensive-minded guard/veteran. Outside of that I can't think of other teams really. Detroit? Idk

The thing with Jrue is he would be a great fit on so many teams, even rebuilding ones honestly. I see Orlando and Detroit as the best fit, but any playoff team that can cobble together $26M in contracts would be happy to have him.

I do hope he his shot comes around and he has a solid playoffs. That?s really going to matter in terms of his value, but he still looks like himself running around out there