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Re: Patriots 2024 Season
« Reply #465 on: December 28, 2024, 02:40:01 PM »

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Dont care if Mayo stays or goes but one thing is for sure AVP needs to get the hell out of foxboro

Not sure why first one out the door shouldn?t be Wolfe.  Play-calling is probably not easy when their guys are always better than your guys.  This roster is mighty bad.  AVP did help Maye (apparently).  But I?m ok with letting them all go.  Defense has been more of a disappointment than the offense.

And the drubbing they?re experiencing at the moment won?t help ease any of the calls for their heads.  Bringing in Vrabel would excite the masses.   Not sure what they can do to find a talented GM. Need one this offseason.

The announcers have done a great job illustrating how our lack of talent leads to broken plays.

We get smoked at the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball. That is NOT a coaching problem.

Again and again the Chargers easily pick up our blitzes. It's untenable. Our QB pressure rate is right near the bottom of the league.

Meanwhile our own o-line lets the defense run wild in our backfield,  and our receivers don't get separation, as shown on the graphic in the 2nd quarter.

The fact that Eliot Wolfe has not been fired shows just how delusional Bob Kraft has become. He genuinely thought Belichick the coach was the problem,  when it was BB the GM. And that GM incompetence extends to staff hirings. Over the years our coaching and scouting staffs have experienced a brain drain. BB's circle had gotten smaller and smaller,  probably due to a mixture of paranoia, hubris, and other teams' poaching our guys.

So what does Bob do? He extends the previous regime instead of ridding himself of it. And Wolfe is right at the heart of it.

Re: Patriots 2024 Season
« Reply #466 on: December 28, 2024, 02:55:53 PM »

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I think to clean the house of the front office will require cleaning the owner first. One Kraft goes, then you can rid yourself of the GM/HC/OC/DC.

Yup this organization needs a clean house starting with ownership. And no more sticking to internal roots (aka hiring only Patriot-guys to do the coaching etc). Look for outsiders. Get someone like Dennis Allen for DC or something.


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Re: Patriots 2024 Season
« Reply #467 on: December 28, 2024, 03:32:57 PM »

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I'm at the point where I want to just clean house entirely. Elliot Wolf, Mayo, AVP, Covington. OUT

Get Vrabel (or Ben Johnson if possible but otherwise Vrabel), maybe someone like Daboll or Josh McDaniels as OC, someone from the Saints or Broncos like Dennis Allen, etc. Something like that. Because this isn't working with the coaching and the front office. It's pathetic.

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Re: Patriots 2024 Season
« Reply #468 on: December 28, 2024, 03:34:08 PM »

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Defense is an embarrassment especially with not much turnover from last year, the DC is now the HC, pretty much the same roster besides trading Judon away. This is the worst defense i have seen in a long time
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Re: Patriots 2024 Season
« Reply #469 on: December 28, 2024, 04:07:21 PM »

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Sad to see that the Chargers are now the Patriots of old doing these sorta beatdowns to the Patriots who were the Chargers of old in Foxboro.


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Re: Patriots 2024 Season
« Reply #470 on: December 28, 2024, 05:22:13 PM »

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I would love to know how much money the Patriots put into the scouting department and how that compares to the rest of the league. This has absolutely nothing to do with the salary cap either. Instead of investing money into a stupid lighthouse or a big screen, I wish that money was invested in hiring a top of the league scouting department.

I still think Elliot Wolfe has to go. That draft was just a disaster. Yes he picked Maye, but all the draft analyst had that same pick. It's the second round and beyond where you have to rely more heavily on your pre-draft evaluations and this is where he failed. Free agency was another failure too.

I'm willing to give AVP another year as the offensive coordinator. Based on the pre-draft scouting reports and where Maye us now, I think AVP has done a great job in Maye's development. The problem is the offensive line and lack of talent at WR. At a minimum the offensive line needs to be established to form a reliable base. Until then, it won't matter who you hire as an offensive coordinator if the line can't protect the QB, create push in the run game, or stop being magnates for penalties. Plus, I rather not have Maye need to learn a whole new offense in just his second season.

The team might need to let the defensive coordinator go and hire someone with experience. Also, hire an assistant head coach as Mayo barely had coordinator experience coming into this season.

Re: Patriots 2024 Season
« Reply #471 on: December 28, 2024, 05:31:28 PM »

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Classic Patriots move.  :blank:

The Chargers traded up with the Patriots to begin Round 2 and took Georgia wide receiver Ladd McConkey with the No. 34 overall pick in the 2024 NFL Draft on Friday night. The Bolts sent Nos. 37 and 110 to New England in exchange for Nos. 34 and 137. McConkey is a Top-10 wide receiver prospect in this year's draft. NFL Network?s Daniel Jeremiah ranked McConkey No. 30 overall, while The Athletic?s Dane Brugler had him close behind at No. 31.
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Re: Patriots 2024 Season
« Reply #472 on: December 28, 2024, 05:53:00 PM »

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Classic Patriots move.  :blank:

The Chargers traded up with the Patriots to begin Round 2 and took Georgia wide receiver Ladd McConkey with the No. 34 overall pick in the 2024 NFL Draft on Friday night. The Bolts sent Nos. 37 and 110 to New England in exchange for Nos. 34 and 137. McConkey is a Top-10 wide receiver prospect in this year's draft. NFL Network?s Daniel Jeremiah ranked McConkey No. 30 overall, while The Athletic?s Dane Brugler had him close behind at No. 31.


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Re: Patriots 2024 Season
« Reply #473 on: December 28, 2024, 07:45:09 PM »

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I personally am not a huge Bo Nix fan, but here's the difference. His head coach is Sean Payton (offensive minded and very experienced), and the team and system around him is great and helps him. Lombardi is his OC, and the team's DC is Vance Joseph who is solid at his job.

Contrast that to the drama-filled show Maye has to deal with on this team
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Re: Patriots 2024 Season
« Reply #474 on: December 28, 2024, 08:01:30 PM »

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I don't care, throw THE BAG at Tee Higgins this offseason please
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Re: Patriots 2024 Season
« Reply #475 on: December 28, 2024, 08:32:49 PM »

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I don't care, throw THE BAG at Tee Higgins this offseason please

Better start pleading your case to Bobby. He doesn?t like to open the wallet that wide.  :laugh:
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Re: Patriots 2024 Season
« Reply #476 on: December 28, 2024, 08:34:01 PM »

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I personally am not a huge Bo Nix fan, but here's the difference. His head coach is Sean Payton (offensive minded and very experienced), and the team and system around him is great and helps him. Lombardi is his OC, and the team's DC is Vance Joseph who is solid at his job.

Contrast that to the drama-filled show Maye has to deal with on this team

The excuse will be, from the words of Robert Kraft "our roster sucks, but let's have Wolf try to improve it this offseason and keep the same coaches for another year and see. Patience, my friends."


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Re: Patriots 2024 Season
« Reply #477 on: December 28, 2024, 08:36:18 PM »

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I personally am not a huge Bo Nix fan, but here's the difference. His head coach is Sean Payton (offensive minded and very experienced), and the team and system around him is great and helps him. Lombardi is his OC, and the team's DC is Vance Joseph who is solid at his job.

Contrast that to the drama-filled show Maye has to deal with on this team

The excuse will be, from the words of Robert Kraft "our roster sucks, but let's have Wolf try to improve it this offseason and keep the same coaches for another year and see. Patience, my friends."

I love Maye but if they really decide to basically maintain "status quo" and they don't add premium talent whether in the draft or FA, it'll be very hard for me to be interested in this team next season. Sorry, call me a bad fan, but this is becoming pathetic. I'm already having troube staying interested and have no clue how to be excited for next week.

We're now 6 years post-Brady. Yeah there was some hope in the 2021 season but that was short-lived. Otherwise it's been a mostly mediocre, and now downright terrible product. Gillette was empty today and had the atmosphere of a funeral home. Next week will be something, it'll be either mostly empty or Bills fans will take over the entire place.
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Re: Patriots 2024 Season
« Reply #478 on: December 29, 2024, 06:18:31 AM »

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I personally am not a huge Bo Nix fan, but here's the difference. His head coach is Sean Payton (offensive minded and very experienced), and the team and system around him is great and helps him. Lombardi is his OC, and the team's DC is Vance Joseph who is solid at his job.

Contrast that to the drama-filled show Maye has to deal with on this team

The excuse will be, from the words of Robert Kraft "our roster sucks, but let's have Wolf try to improve it this offseason and keep the same coaches for another year and see. Patience, my friends."

I love Maye but if they really decide to basically maintain "status quo" and they don't add premium talent whether in the draft or FA, it'll be very hard for me to be interested in this team next season. Sorry, call me a bad fan, but this is becoming pathetic. I'm already having troube staying interested and have no clue how to be excited for next week.

We're now 6 years post-Brady. Yeah there was some hope in the 2021 season but that was short-lived. Otherwise it's been a mostly mediocre, and now downright terrible product. Gillette was empty today and had the atmosphere of a funeral home. Next week will be something, it'll be either mostly empty or Bills fans will take over the entire place.

As it was before Brady.  The truly fanatical were still fans, while others were lying in wait.  Most years it was watching a bad or mediocre team and then every once in a while there?d be something to get excited about. And when that happened it took the city by storm.  Many years though it was rough. 

I expect to watch at least some of the last game.  Hope they can lose and finish the run for the 2 seed.   Drake Maye looks good enough to get excited about just as Plunkett did and Bledsoe did.  Brady of course came in with zero expectations and in becoming the GOAT, he also changed the overall  culture and expectations for the franchise.   The Pats are a historically bad to mediocre franchise who had a miraculous, unprecedented 20-year run.  It won?t happen again. However, what will happen will be seasons that get everyone excited and hopeful.  They won?t happen every year unless Maye proves a top tier QB and management manages to hire the right coaches and GM.  I?m not counting on another Brady run.  Just an occasional year that gets the fire back in the city?s belly.  Not this year obviously, but it?s always waiting somewhere around the bend. 

Re: Patriots 2024 Season
« Reply #479 on: December 29, 2024, 03:25:05 PM »

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I gotta say watching the Jets makes me feel a little less bitter about this season. That team has all the weapons in the world and what should be a good to great defense and these guys look like a JUCO team out there. They STINK!
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