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Re: Team USA Basketball 2024
« Reply #315 on: July 29, 2024, 09:32:35 AM »

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Tatum's biggest problems are LeBron & Durant. They are taking his minutes and role at the PF position which is the position he is ideally suited for in International play. Just like Melo was as well.

Tatum hasn't play well at SF. He has struggled with his ball-handling. He hasn't been able to get enough dribble penetration. He has struggled with his passing. The passing angles and timing are different in International ball because of the shorter three point line. The court is more compressed. Many guys struggle with that. Tatum has struggled with it. On top of thhose two elements, Tatum has also struggled to hit his outside shot in the warmup games. A continuation of his playoff struggles with his three point shot.

I also think he is having a tough time mentally figuring out his role / how to play. He isn't being aggressive enough looking to score like Durant or Melo. He is trying to be an all-rounder and playmaker which is obviously an issue when he isn't getting enough dribble penetration and struggling with his passing. It is wrecking his game. He needs to be more aggressive looking to score. Forget about being a playmaker. Just score. Like Melo. Like Durant. Like Barkley did on Team USA. Just attack.

Tatum has only scored well around the rim mostly off of cuts and off of post ups with fadeaways from 14-18 feet.

The truth is he only has himself to blame for being out of the rotation. He played badly in the warmup games. He got a chance to start instead of D Booker in at least 1 if not 2 of the games and failed to take the opportunity.

I don't have high expectations for Tatum in this tournament. I think he will be a 7th-10th best player on the roster.

I wouldn't go that far saying his game is wrecked.  It is international basketball. I expect we see a very good Tatum as the NBA season gets back going

Plenty of other Team USA guys have failed to look good also. Booker has been abysmal. Embiid is awful. Edwards just is a volume shooter. Heck...even Curry has been underwhelming.

Steve Kerr loves the 3 guard line up which takes a wing off the floor. As for his role, I put some of this on Kerr also. Seems to be mixed messages coming from him when he refuses to address the biggest issue in the room which is Embiid. Embiid continues to play poorly and is rewarded.

But I think his hands are tied because Grant Hill made a deal for Embiid to start.


Re: Team USA Basketball 2024
« Reply #316 on: July 29, 2024, 09:32:46 AM »

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I?m not impressed by any of these teams. I thought Canada, France, Germany, and Serbia were supposed to be good.
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Re: Team USA Basketball 2024
« Reply #317 on: July 29, 2024, 09:44:31 AM »

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I?m not impressed by any of these teams. I thought Canada, France, Germany, and Serbia were supposed to be good.
Canada lucked out they got bailed by the refs against Greece. Greece without its second best player and just Giannis nearly beat them in game 1. Canada is gonna get creamed when they face a team with quality big man rotation/wings.

Re: Team USA Basketball 2024
« Reply #318 on: July 29, 2024, 09:52:07 AM »

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Tatum's biggest problems are LeBron & Durant. They are taking his minutes and role at the PF position which is the position he is ideally suited for in International play. Just like Melo was as well.

Tatum hasn't play well at SF. He has struggled with his ball-handling. He hasn't been able to get enough dribble penetration. He has struggled with his passing. The passing angles and timing are different in International ball because of the shorter three point line. The court is more compressed. Many guys struggle with that. Tatum has struggled with it. On top of thhose two elements, Tatum has also struggled to hit his outside shot in the warmup games. A continuation of his playoff struggles with his three point shot.

I also think he is having a tough time mentally figuring out his role / how to play. He isn't being aggressive enough looking to score like Durant or Melo. He is trying to be an all-rounder and playmaker which is obviously an issue when he isn't getting enough dribble penetration and struggling with his passing. It is wrecking his game. He needs to be more aggressive looking to score. Forget about being a playmaker. Just score. Like Melo. Like Durant. Like Barkley did on Team USA. Just attack.

Tatum has only scored well around the rim mostly off of cuts and off of post ups with fadeaways from 14-18 feet.

The truth is he only has himself to blame for being out of the rotation. He played badly in the warmup games. He got a chance to start instead of D Booker in at least 1 if not 2 of the games and failed to take the opportunity.

I don't have high expectations for Tatum in this tournament. I think he will be a 7th-10th best player on the roster.

I wouldn't go that far saying his game is wrecked.  It is international basketball. I expect we see a very good Tatum as the NBA season gets back going

Plenty of other Team USA guys have failed to look good also. Booker has been abysmal. Embiid is awful. Edwards just is a volume shooter. Heck...even Curry has been underwhelming.

Steve Kerr loves the 3 guard line up which takes a wing off the floor. As for his role, I put some of this on Kerr also. Seems to be mixed messages coming from him when he refuses to address the biggest issue in the room which is Embiid. Embiid continues to play poorly and is rewarded.

But I think his hands are tied because Grant Hill made a deal for Embiid to start.

What I see in Tatum is:

He has adapted his game for the Celtics to become more of a playmaker. To be more of an all-round player. This has led to two problems for him on this Team USA

(1) His playmaking has not translated to International ball. The dimensions of the court are different. The three point line is shorter. Defenders recover and close gaps quicker. The timing of passes and angles of passes are different. Tatum has struggled with this. This has led to too many turnovers from him. Booker is another guy who has struggled with this but he has responded by cutting down on his playmaking and is not making bad plays as a result. Tatum on the other hand has not adjusted and is making bad plays.

(2) Team USA does not need another playmaker. They have plenty of playmaking in the backcourt with Jrue, D White, Steph and Ant. Then they have LeBron as their primary playmaker at point forward. They need scorers.

Guys who embrace this scoring role will succeed. Tatum needs to adjust his game. Simplify his game. Be more a scorer and less a playmaker. Look for his shot. Hunt shots. Attack.

He has failed to do this.

I not worried at all about Tatum's struggles in terms of the Celtics. His playmaking troubles are entirely down to the different rules / court dimensions of International basketball. They are not a factor for Tatum when he returns to Boston for next season.

Re: Team USA Basketball 2024
« Reply #319 on: July 29, 2024, 10:00:14 AM »

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The way I saw Team USA in the warm up games was that LeBron and Ant were the two leaders of the team. AD the next best player. Durant will join this group as the team leaders (top 4).

Then there was a group of supporting steady players in Jrue, Bam and D White. That makes a top 7.

Then it is down to the others to make a 8th-12th slots. Steph will be one of them. Embiid currently is. Tatum and D Booker are in competition. Haliburton is likely out of the mix as 12th man.

That is how view (a) Team USA heirarchy (b) how I see Tatum and his role on this Team USA.
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Re: Team USA Basketball 2024
« Reply #320 on: July 29, 2024, 12:13:51 PM »

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Tatum's biggest problems are LeBron & Durant. They are taking his minutes and role at the PF position which is the position he is ideally suited for in International play. Just like Melo was as well.

Tatum hasn't play well at SF. He has struggled with his ball-handling. He hasn't been able to get enough dribble penetration. He has struggled with his passing. The passing angles and timing are different in International ball because of the shorter three point line. The court is more compressed. Many guys struggle with that. Tatum has struggled with it. On top of thhose two elements, Tatum has also struggled to hit his outside shot in the warmup games. A continuation of his playoff struggles with his three point shot.

I also think he is having a tough time mentally figuring out his role / how to play. He isn't being aggressive enough looking to score like Durant or Melo. He is trying to be an all-rounder and playmaker which is obviously an issue when he isn't getting enough dribble penetration and struggling with his passing. It is wrecking his game. He needs to be more aggressive looking to score. Forget about being a playmaker. Just score. Like Melo. Like Durant. Like Barkley did on Team USA. Just attack.

Tatum has only scored well around the rim mostly off of cuts and off of post ups with fadeaways from 14-18 feet.

The truth is he only has himself to blame for being out of the rotation. He played badly in the warmup games. He got a chance to start instead of D Booker in at least 1 if not 2 of the games and failed to take the opportunity.

I don't have high expectations for Tatum in this tournament. I think he will be a 7th-10th best player on the roster.

I wouldn't go that far saying his game is wrecked.  It is international basketball. I expect we see a very good Tatum as the NBA season gets back going

Plenty of other Team USA guys have failed to look good also. Booker has been abysmal. Embiid is awful. Edwards just is a volume shooter. Heck...even Curry has been underwhelming.

Steve Kerr loves the 3 guard line up which takes a wing off the floor. As for his role, I put some of this on Kerr also. Seems to be mixed messages coming from him when he refuses to address the biggest issue in the room which is Embiid. Embiid continues to play poorly and is rewarded.

But I think his hands are tied because Grant Hill made a deal for Embiid to start.

What I see in Tatum is:

He has adapted his game for the Celtics to become more of a playmaker. To be more of an all-round player. This has led to two problems for him on this Team USA

(1) His playmaking has not translated to International ball. The dimensions of the court are different. The three point line is shorter. Defenders recover and close gaps quicker. The timing of passes and angles of passes are different. Tatum has struggled with this. This has led to too many turnovers from him. Booker is another guy who has struggled with this but he has responded by cutting down on his playmaking and is not making bad plays as a result. Tatum on the other hand has not adjusted and is making bad plays.

(2) Team USA does not need another playmaker. They have plenty of playmaking in the backcourt with Jrue, D White, Steph and Ant. Then they have LeBron as their primary playmaker at point forward. They need scorers.

Guys who embrace this scoring role will succeed. Tatum needs to adjust his game. Simplify his game. Be more a scorer and less a playmaker. Look for his shot. Hunt shots. Attack.

He has failed to do this.

I not worried at all about Tatum's struggles in terms of the Celtics. His playmaking troubles are entirely down to the different rules / court dimensions of International basketball. They are not a factor for Tatum when he returns to Boston for next season.

Gotcha. I thought maybe you felt his game was wrecked in terms of the Celtics. I think his game is flowering in Boston as he is becoming more of an all around player.

Re: Team USA Basketball 2024
« Reply #321 on: July 29, 2024, 12:23:22 PM »

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When Kerr was dealing with injuries in the 2017 playoff run and had to stay out, Mike Brown took over and the team went... 11-0. Kerr benefits big time from having that stacked Warriors team (Curry, Klay, Draymond, Durant in their primes + really good role players).

Still think USA is gonna drop a game at some point in which case there'll be a lot more talk about him and his decisions.

Walton also went 39-4 coaching that warriors team I think then never won more than 37 games in a full season elsewhere. I?m not prepared to say Kerr is definitely bad or even average but it is hard to tell how a good coach he is with the talent
He has had.

We?re throwing rocks at Kerr because he didn?t play Tatum in a blowout? Honestly, why do you want Tatum to even play? Let him catch a golf on the bench and stay healthy.

I wasn?t really doing it over Tatum, his lineups as a whole have been quite strange led by starting Embid every game who clearly really struggles in international ball. He also has just received a decent amount of criticism the last few years for his failure to develop or play the young guys consistently. My point of saying it is hard to tell how good a coach he is a lot more related to that stuff rather than not playing Tatum once

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« Reply #322 on: July 29, 2024, 02:41:14 PM »

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Kerr has indicated that he plans to play Tatum on Wednesday against South Sudan.

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?For sure the hardest part of this job is you?re sitting at least a couple of guys who are world-class, some of the very best players on earth,? Kerr said. ?On the one hand, it makes no sense at all. On the other, I?m asking these guys to just commit to winning one game and then move on to the next one.

?I have to do the same thing. I felt like last night those were the combinations that made the most sense. Jayson will play [Wednesday].?

https://www.bostonglobe.com/2024/07/29/sports/jayson-tatum-usa-basketball/

Maybe JT will be anchoring the B team against the lowlier opponents...though we only beat South Sudan by a point in the exhibition game  :angel:
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« Reply #323 on: July 29, 2024, 03:58:16 PM »

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Tatum's biggest problems are LeBron & Durant. They are taking his minutes and role at the PF position which is the position he is ideally suited for in International play. Just like Melo was as well.

Tatum hasn't play well at SF. He has struggled with his ball-handling. He hasn't been able to get enough dribble penetration. He has struggled with his passing. The passing angles and timing are different in International ball because of the shorter three point line. The court is more compressed. Many guys struggle with that. Tatum has struggled with it. On top of thhose two elements, Tatum has also struggled to hit his outside shot in the warmup games. A continuation of his playoff struggles with his three point shot.

I also think he is having a tough time mentally figuring out his role / how to play. He isn't being aggressive enough looking to score like Durant or Melo. He is trying to be an all-rounder and playmaker which is obviously an issue when he isn't getting enough dribble penetration and struggling with his passing. It is wrecking his game. He needs to be more aggressive looking to score. Forget about being a playmaker. Just score. Like Melo. Like Durant. Like Barkley did on Team USA. Just attack.

Tatum has only scored well around the rim mostly off of cuts and off of post ups with fadeaways from 14-18 feet.

The truth is he only has himself to blame for being out of the rotation. He played badly in the warmup games. He got a chance to start instead of D Booker in at least 1 if not 2 of the games and failed to take the opportunity.

I don't have high expectations for Tatum in this tournament. I think he will be a 7th-10th best player on the roster.

Well that might be a problem when it comes to media scrutiny that he has to face. We'll hear endlessly on why was Tatum benched or has Tatum who is an All-NBA finally watered down or has Tatum peaked and is now regressing, things like that.


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Re: Team USA Basketball 2024
« Reply #324 on: July 29, 2024, 04:04:11 PM »

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Tatum's biggest problems are LeBron & Durant. They are taking his minutes and role at the PF position which is the position he is ideally suited for in International play. Just like Melo was as well.

Tatum hasn't play well at SF. He has struggled with his ball-handling. He hasn't been able to get enough dribble penetration. He has struggled with his passing. The passing angles and timing are different in International ball because of the shorter three point line. The court is more compressed. Many guys struggle with that. Tatum has struggled with it. On top of thhose two elements, Tatum has also struggled to hit his outside shot in the warmup games. A continuation of his playoff struggles with his three point shot.

I also think he is having a tough time mentally figuring out his role / how to play. He isn't being aggressive enough looking to score like Durant or Melo. He is trying to be an all-rounder and playmaker which is obviously an issue when he isn't getting enough dribble penetration and struggling with his passing. It is wrecking his game. He needs to be more aggressive looking to score. Forget about being a playmaker. Just score. Like Melo. Like Durant. Like Barkley did on Team USA. Just attack.

Tatum has only scored well around the rim mostly off of cuts and off of post ups with fadeaways from 14-18 feet.

The truth is he only has himself to blame for being out of the rotation. He played badly in the warmup games. He got a chance to start instead of D Booker in at least 1 if not 2 of the games and failed to take the opportunity.

I don't have high expectations for Tatum in this tournament. I think he will be a 7th-10th best player on the roster.

Well that might be a problem when it comes to media scrutiny that he has to face. We'll hear endlessly on why was Tatum benched or has Tatum who is an All-NBA finally watered down or has Tatum peaked and is now regressing, things like that.

He's already faced plenty of media scrutiny in his career.  He's playing on a glorified all star team at the moment.

If they win the gold medal, it's a nothing burger.  If they don't win the gold medal, the media scrutiny be on Kerr and players like Embiid and certainly not on Tatum. 


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« Reply #325 on: July 29, 2024, 05:19:02 PM »

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JT sitting on the bench and JB getting snubbed might just sit these boys on fire this year.

Can?t wait to see them play the Worriers this season. 

You win a chip and still NO respect . Oh boy ?!

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« Reply #326 on: July 29, 2024, 07:49:41 PM »

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JT sitting on the bench and JB getting snubbed might just sit these boys on fire this year.

Can?t wait to see them play the Worriers this season. 

You win a chip and still NO respect . Oh boy ?!

Absolutely. If we were concerned that this team would get fat and sassy this summer just lit a fire.

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« Reply #327 on: July 30, 2024, 10:03:12 AM »

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JT sitting on the bench and JB getting snubbed might just sit these boys on fire this year.

Can?t wait to see them play the Worriers this season. 

You win a chip and still NO respect . Oh boy ?!

Absolutely. If we were concerned that this team would get fat and sassy this summer just lit a fire.

With Crazy Joe at the helm I never worried about the team getting complacent.  I do however worry about the mileage for Dwhite, Tatum and Jrue.  Tatum normally gets stronger in the offseason.  Adds a few things to his bag and works on his shot.  I hope he will still have the time to get ready to defend the title but I also hope Joe rests these guys, including Tatum, during the first 3rd of the season.  It's hard for any team to defend the title.  If a team can it's this team returning everyone of importance. 

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« Reply #328 on: July 30, 2024, 10:31:20 AM »

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JT sitting on the bench and JB getting snubbed might just sit these boys on fire this year.

Can?t wait to see them play the Worriers this season. 

You win a chip and still NO respect . Oh boy ?!

Absolutely. If we were concerned that this team would get fat and sassy this summer just lit a fire.

With Crazy Joe at the helm I never worried about the team getting complacent.  I do however worry about the mileage for Dwhite, Tatum and Jrue.  Tatum normally gets stronger in the offseason.  Adds a few things to his bag and works on his shot.  I hope he will still have the time to get ready to defend the title but I also hope Joe rests these guys, including Tatum, during the first 3rd of the season.  It's hard for any team to defend the title.  If a team can it's this team returning everyone of importance.
Therein lies Joe?s challenge. Who does he put in to rest Tatum during that 1st 3rd of the season when KP is out? Queta and Tilman are not wings and we will be lucky if they can just fill in for KP. Scheierman and Watson are rookies. Is Springer ready for bigger minutes in a slightly smaller lineup?

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« Reply #329 on: July 30, 2024, 10:37:54 AM »

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Yabusele has been ballin' for French national team.

Wemby and Gobert have been the two best players. I reckon Yabu has been 3rd. Then Batum & Coulibaly. Their top 5. Getting some decent minutes out of Lessort and Ntilikina.

The rest of their team seems quite inconsistent. Strazel their PG is a nice defender but struggles on offense. Cordinier some decent D and basic offense.

Fournier has looked OLD. He can't beat his man off the bounce anymore. He is almost entirely a perimeter shooter now. And he is still playing bad defense. Not the player he was. De Colo is in his final tournament. Like Fournier, not as aggressive on offense, more peripheral.

It is going to be their defense that will test Team USA and others. Not their offense. Their offense is weak. Basic. Wemby is the only one with high level offensive talent and he is being forced to make Kevin Durant type contested long jump-shots. Their twin towers of Wemby and Gobert are mean defensively. Good defensive guards and wings. They can D up with the best of them.