Sam Hauser extension?

[Moranis]

Also, I wouldn't pay him 15 million a year, even if he is worth it.  I don't think you can reasonably go above what Pritchard makes ans make the numbers work.  So I'd probably be looking at a trade for someone signed longer (maybe even trade him for a 1st rounder at draft tonight or a future 1st to provide more flexibility).

Make what numbers work?  The second apron penalties?

To me, we've got maybe a three year run left with the current team.  We may as well do everything in our power to maximize that run.  Then, at the end of it, you try to reset around JB and JT, with almost everybody else gone.

I'd give Hauser the 4 years, $48 million contract without a ton of hesitation.  That would still be below the MLE, and also less than what similar players have gotten on the open market.

The shear cost of the team.  The Warriors 380 million payroll this year will look like chump change for this team if everyone gets what they are worth. Just not enough money to go around.

[Roy H.]

Also, I wouldn't pay him 15 million a year, even if he is worth it.  I don't think you can reasonably go above what Pritchard makes ans make the numbers work.  So I'd probably be looking at a trade for someone signed longer (maybe even trade him for a 1st rounder at draft tonight or a future 1st to provide more flexibility).

Make what numbers work?  The second apron penalties?

To me, we've got maybe a three year run left with the current team.  We may as well do everything in our power to maximize that run.  Then, at the end of it, you try to reset around JB and JT, with almost everybody else gone.

I'd give Hauser the 4 years, $48 million contract without a ton of hesitation.  That would still be below the MLE, and also less than what similar players have gotten on the open market.

The shear cost of the team.  The Warriors 380 million payroll this year will look like chump change for this team if everyone gets what they are worth. Just not enough money to go around.

I'm not sure that we have a good sense of how much money there is to be spread around.  How much is a championship worth?  How much are multiple worth?  If Wyc decides at some point to leverage the city of Boston into building a Celtics-only stadium, how much would that be worth?  The team itself has appreciated by several billion dollars, and that's saying nothing of the hundreds of millions of profits that have accumulated over the years.

I assume the Celtics are handing out all of these contracts in good faith, and that they plan to keep the team together.  If Wyc authorizes paying Hauser, I've got no issue with that.  It's not like signing Hauser will prevent us from signing Player X, because we have nobody other than Hauser (and White, who will presumably be extended) up for a contract anytime soon.

Keep the top-8 in place, and let Wyc worry about the finances.

[boscel33]

Also, I wouldn't pay him 15 million a year, even if he is worth it.  I don't think you can reasonably go above what Pritchard makes ans make the numbers work.  So I'd probably be looking at a trade for someone signed longer (maybe even trade him for a 1st rounder at draft tonight or a future 1st to provide more flexibility).

Make what numbers work?  The second apron penalties?

To me, we've got maybe a three year run left with the current team.  We may as well do everything in our power to maximize that run.  Then, at the end of it, you try to reset around JB and JT, with almost everybody else gone.

I'd give Hauser the 4 years, $48 million contract without a ton of hesitation.  That would still be below the MLE, and also less than what similar players have gotten on the open market.

The shear cost of the team.  The Warriors 380 million payroll this year will look like chump change for this team if everyone gets what they are worth. Just not enough money to go around.

I'm not sure that we have a good sense of how much money there is to be spread around.  How much is a championship worth?  How much are multiple worth?  If Wyc decides at some point to leverage the city of Boston into building a Celtics-only stadium, how much would that be worth?  The team itself has appreciated by several billion dollars, and that's saying nothing of the hundreds of millions of profits that have accumulated over the years.

I assume the Celtics are handing out all of these contracts in good faith, and that they plan to keep the team together.  If Wyc authorizes paying Hauser, I've got no issue with that.  It's not like signing Hauser will prevent us from signing Player X, because we have nobody other than Hauser (and White, who will presumably be extended) up for a contract anytime soon.

Keep the top-8 in place, and let Wyc worry about the finances.

The problem with letting Wyc worry about it is, they have big payments due to the B's ownership because they don't own the arena, so yeah, Wyc just might worry about it.

And what payments are you referring to?  It's my understanding that the Celts don't pay rent, with arena ownership only receiving a portion of concessions revenue.

[Roy H.]

Also, I wouldn't pay him 15 million a year, even if he is worth it.  I don't think you can reasonably go above what Pritchard makes ans make the numbers work.  So I'd probably be looking at a trade for someone signed longer (maybe even trade him for a 1st rounder at draft tonight or a future 1st to provide more flexibility).

Make what numbers work?  The second apron penalties?

To me, we've got maybe a three year run left with the current team.  We may as well do everything in our power to maximize that run.  Then, at the end of it, you try to reset around JB and JT, with almost everybody else gone.

I'd give Hauser the 4 years, $48 million contract without a ton of hesitation.  That would still be below the MLE, and also less than what similar players have gotten on the open market.

The shear cost of the team.  The Warriors 380 million payroll this year will look like chump change for this team if everyone gets what they are worth. Just not enough money to go around.

I'm not sure that we have a good sense of how much money there is to be spread around.  How much is a championship worth?  How much are multiple worth?  If Wyc decides at some point to leverage the city of Boston into building a Celtics-only stadium, how much would that be worth?  The team itself has appreciated by several billion dollars, and that's saying nothing of the hundreds of millions of profits that have accumulated over the years.

I assume the Celtics are handing out all of these contracts in good faith, and that they plan to keep the team together.  If Wyc authorizes paying Hauser, I've got no issue with that.  It's not like signing Hauser will prevent us from signing Player X, because we have nobody other than Hauser (and White, who will presumably be extended) up for a contract anytime soon.

Keep the top-8 in place, and let Wyc worry about the finances.

The problem with letting Wyc worry about it is, they have big payments due to the B's ownership because they don't own the arena, so yeah, Wyc just might worry about it.

That lease isn't affecting the cited profits or valuation, though, and the lease isn't up until 2036.  And, I'm pretty sure that the lease in rent free, with arena ownership getting a portion of concessions and premium seating.

[Celtics2021]

Also, I wouldn't pay him 15 million a year, even if he is worth it.  I don't think you can reasonably go above what Pritchard makes ans make the numbers work.  So I'd probably be looking at a trade for someone signed longer (maybe even trade him for a 1st rounder at draft tonight or a future 1st to provide more flexibility).

Make what numbers work?  The second apron penalties?

To me, we've got maybe a three year run left with the current team.  We may as well do everything in our power to maximize that run.  Then, at the end of it, you try to reset around JB and JT, with almost everybody else gone.

I'd give Hauser the 4 years, $48 million contract without a ton of hesitation.  That would still be below the MLE, and also less than what similar players have gotten on the open market.

The shear cost of the team.  The Warriors 380 million payroll this year will look like chump change for this team if everyone gets what they are worth. Just not enough money to go around.

I'm not sure that we have a good sense of how much money there is to be spread around.  How much is a championship worth?  How much are multiple worth?  If Wyc decides at some point to leverage the city of Boston into building a Celtics-only stadium, how much would that be worth?  The team itself has appreciated by several billion dollars, and that's saying nothing of the hundreds of millions of profits that have accumulated over the years.

I assume the Celtics are handing out all of these contracts in good faith, and that they plan to keep the team together.  If Wyc authorizes paying Hauser, I've got no issue with that.  It's not like signing Hauser will prevent us from signing Player X, because we have nobody other than Hauser (and White, who will presumably be extended) up for a contract anytime soon.

Keep the top-8 in place, and let Wyc worry about the finances.

The problem with letting Wyc worry about it is, they have big payments due to the B's ownership because they don't own the arena, so yeah, Wyc just might worry about it.

The good news is team revenue is spiking from media deals.  The payroll plus tax forecasts we?ve seen ($400-450 million for 2025-2026 if they keep the top 7-8) will be offset by national media revenue of between $200 and $250 million.  When the Warriors had their record payrolls, the national media money was about a third as much.

Not saying it won?t be expensive, but the C?s will still operate at a profit, and the franchise value will rise with multiple championships.  It also doesn?t mean they won?t operate with a budget, but it could be pretty high.  I don?t think they?ll cheap out on titles - rich people like money and winning.  I bet Wyc?s had a fun week regardless of what the balance sheets say.

[Vermont Green]

I am not sure what the "market value" is for Hauser, but I see no reason to extend him now for 8 figures (meaning >$10M).  How many teams would be able to offer that even if they wanted to?  It would have to be a team willing to give up their Non-Taxpayer MLE or who have enough cap space to just absorb his contract.  There are not going to be that many teams who would be in position to offer that kind of money to Hauser.  There will likely be better players available so not all the decent players looking for those deals are going to get them.

I don't know what the number is that should be offered now.  Pritchard got 4 years/$30M.  So maybe 4 years/$36M?  I feel like that would be a good contract for Hauser.  He might beat that on the open market in a year, but he might not.

[Phantom255x]

We don?t have an owner like Ballmer or an empire like the Warriors in SF. How are we gonna spend all this money and taxes a few years from now lol.

[keevsnick]

Just so we have a reference point, lets say the C's signed him to what would be an Mid Level Exception type deal. That would start at about 13 million dollars. Probably pretty reasonable. But in 25-26 the C's would be taxed 6.75 dollars for every dollar they spend if they are as deep in the tax as they are now currently. That would mean Hauser costs you 101 million dollars in Salary+Tax for year 1.

The repeater tax is brutal, and will make it very hard to keep this team together.

[RJ87]

Also, I wouldn't pay him 15 million a year, even if he is worth it.  I don't think you can reasonably go above what Pritchard makes ans make the numbers work.  So I'd probably be looking at a trade for someone signed longer (maybe even trade him for a 1st rounder at draft tonight or a future 1st to provide more flexibility).

Make what numbers work?  The second apron penalties?

To me, we've got maybe a three year run left with the current team.  We may as well do everything in our power to maximize that run.  Then, at the end of it, you try to reset around JB and JT, with almost everybody else gone.

I'd give Hauser the 4 years, $48 million contract without a ton of hesitation.  That would still be below the MLE, and also less than what similar players have gotten on the open market.

I agree. That money for Hauser is a no-brainer to me. Especially with the trade limitations we'll have moving forward, he'd at least give you a midlevel salary to flip down the line.

[Moranis]

Just so we have a reference point, lets say the C's signed him to what would be an Mid Level Exception type deal. That would start at about 13 million dollars. Probably pretty reasonable. But in 25-26 the C's would be taxed 6.75 dollars for every dollar they spend if they are as deep in the tax as they are now currently. That would mean Hauser costs you 101 million dollars in Salary+Tax for year 1.

The repeater tax is brutal, and will make it very hard to keep this team together.

That really was my objection to the Holiday extension and why I said the team seemed to pick Jrue over White (thinking they arent keeping both long term).  Maybe Wyc decides to keep everyone and pay 600 million in a payroll a year, but I just don't see it, especially for guys like Hauser that are mostly replaceable bench players. 

[Who]

Hauser had a pretty bad playoff run. I remember thinking during that run that he was costing himself a lot of money similar to G-Will in 2023.

Good time to re-sign Hauser if possible. He will be cheaper now than he is likely to be in the future.

[Who]

Just so we have a reference point, lets say the C's signed him to what would be an Mid Level Exception type deal. That would start at about 13 million dollars. Probably pretty reasonable. But in 25-26 the C's would be taxed 6.75 dollars for every dollar they spend if they are as deep in the tax as they are now currently. That would mean Hauser costs you 101 million dollars in Salary+Tax for year 1.

The repeater tax is brutal, and will make it very hard to keep this team together.

That really was my objection to the Holiday extension and why I said the team seemed to pick Jrue over White (thinking they arent keeping both long term).  Maybe Wyc decides to keep everyone and pay 600 million in a payroll a year, but I just don't see it, especially for guys like Hauser that are mostly replaceable bench players.

Yeah, if that is the cost I wouldn't do it if I were an owner. I'd let Hauser walk and sign someone like Justin Holiday on the minimum to replace him. There is a drop-off but the main 6 guys can carry the load and Justin Holiday can do a serviceable enough job as an 8th man.

[Roy H.]

Just a reminder that over the past two seasons (2022 and 2023), the Celtics have raked in at least $225 million in operating income (profit).

Wyc will be fine, particularly with the new TV contract, the bump in revenue from the championship, etc.

[Roy H.]

Just a reminder that over the past two seasons (2022 and 2023), the Celtics have raked in at least $225 million in operating income (profit).

Wyc will be fine, particularly with the new TV contract, the bump in revenue from the championship, etc.

[Celtics2021]

The real question with Hauser is this: can they risk declining his option and exposing him to restricted free agency.  There are only six teams with more cap space than the MLE, so it is likely the MLE is his max.  If a team offers him that, would the Celtics match?  If they wouldn?t, they obviously can?t go this route.  If restricted free agency fends off other teams, which it very well could, can they get Hauser at enough less than the MLE that they can afford him with the Modified repeater tax going forward?  A 5-year, $50 million deal this summer, for example, would cost $9.3 million next year, but also $8.6 million this year.  The extra tax this year about cancels out the saved tax next year, but saves a lot of tax from years 3 through 5.