2023-2024 WNBA Season

[celticsclay]

I really enjoyed a few games of the women’s tournament this last year for the first time ever, don’t normally watch it. I tried to be a bit more open minded and have thrown a few wnba games this year when I have been home. I don’t know exactly the reason but it just feels like something is off. Maybe the defense is ahead of the offense too much? The college games seemed to have more flow for whatever reason.

[trickybilly]

I put 100 on Angel Reese to win ROY at +900.

Loving these Clark stink games.

[Yuckabuck33]

Where can I reasonably watch WNBA games?

[RJ87]

I put 100 on Angel Reese to win ROY at +900.

Loving these Clark stink games.

If Brink can stop fouling and get a few shots to go in, I think she has a good case for ROY. Her defensive impact is already there and she's an underrated passer. But the fouling problem was a thing in college, not sure how she finally shakes that.

Brink's teammate Rickea may also be a dark horse for ROY bc of her ability to score and her efficiency (10pts off the bench on 49% fg and 47% 3fg so far).

[Moranis]

Clark will win ROY. The Fever were given no favors early on with 11 games in 20 days and multiple games against the best teams. They now have a ton of days off and play many more of the bad teams. The rest and practice coupled with the weaker competition will lead to much better numbers for Clark.

[W8ting2McHale]

Clark has been getting more than her fair share of “Welcome to the league, rookie” hits. Breanna Stewart looked to be sending a message earlier in the season with a hard pick, but that was a basketball play and some of the more recent actions don’t seem justified. They look like jealousy over her being paid more and getting more attention as the new face of the league.

I can understand the “She hasn’t earned it yet” sentiment but she has brought attention to the league and that will raise up everyone by bringing in more money. Being the player that injured her out of spite won’t be a good look.

That might sound like it’s derogatory to women by attaching emotional attributes like jealousy to in game situations, but it doesn’t look like a hard foul to take her off her game as much as it  seems vindictive when you blindside a player and then can’t own up to the questions afterwards.

Reese and Brink should be in the running for ROY, but neither are the offensive threat that Clark is and votes almost always go to scoring over defense and rebounds.

[Goldstar88]

Clark has been getting more than her fair share of “Welcome to the league, rookie” hits. Breanna Stewart looked to be sending a message earlier in the season with a hard pick, but that was a basketball play and some of the more recent actions don’t seem justified. They look like jealousy over her being paid more and getting more attention as the new face of the league.

I can understand the “She hasn’t earned it yet” sentiment but she has brought attention to the league and that will raise up everyone by bringing in more money. Being the player that injured her out of spite won’t be a good look.

That might sound like it’s derogatory to women by attaching emotional attributes like jealousy to in game situations, but it doesn’t look like a hard foul to take her off her game as much as it  seems vindictive when you blindside a player and then can’t own up to the questions afterwards.

Reese and Brink should be in the running for ROY, but neither are the offensive threat that Clark is and votes almost always go to scoring over defense and rebounds.

Completely agree. Well said. TP

[kraidstar]

Clark has been getting more than her fair share of “Welcome to the league, rookie” hits. Breanna Stewart looked to be sending a message earlier in the season with a hard pick, but that was a basketball play and some of the more recent actions don’t seem justified. They look like jealousy over her being paid more and getting more attention as the new face of the league.

I can understand the “She hasn’t earned it yet” sentiment but she has brought attention to the league and that will raise up everyone by bringing in more money. Being the player that injured her out of spite won’t be a good look.

That might sound like it’s derogatory to women by attaching emotional attributes like jealousy to in game situations, but it doesn’t look like a hard foul to take her off her game as much as it  seems vindictive when you blindside a player and then can’t own up to the questions afterwards.

Reese and Brink should be in the running for ROY, but neither are the offensive threat that Clark is and votes almost always go to scoring over defense and rebounds.

Completely agree. Well said. TP

Michael Jordan faced similar hostility but the league always kept its eye on the prize.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

http://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/40271804

These two seem about as tone deaf as Kyrie Irving and Draymond Green. I don't think anyone thinks that cheapshot is all Carter is. But it was a cheap shot that was not a basketball play, and she should take responsibility for that and move forward. That wasn't tough. She blindside checked someone to the ground before the ball was inbounded. It was cheap. It's not a gender thing. There's no double-standard. We'd call it cheap if an NBA player did that, and its cheap if a WNBA player did that.

Angel Reese is one of my favorite woman basketball players to watch right now. She's very tough inside and gives her team an edge, but I would not be watching the WNBA if Clark wasn't playing. Her claim that people are starting to watch the WNBA because of her too is about as true as Sam Perkins claiming the NBA started to get more popular when he came into the league, not just because of Michael Jordan.

They are very articulate in this interview, but they take no ownership. In this clip, they blameshift and defend and redefine and reframe what actually happened to try to make them look better. It wreaks of jealousy and toxicity. Again, they sound a lot like Irving and Green from the NBA.

Clark is one of the, if not the, most marketable athletes of the last 20 years, and she is by far the most marketable athlete of all time in the WNBA. If the WNBA bungles this, they don't deserve to have a league. This is not a race thing. It's not a gender thing. It's a business thing.

[celticsclay]

Clark has been getting more than her fair share of “Welcome to the league, rookie” hits. Breanna Stewart looked to be sending a message earlier in the season with a hard pick, but that was a basketball play and some of the more recent actions don’t seem justified. They look like jealousy over her being paid more and getting more attention as the new face of the league.

I can understand the “She hasn’t earned it yet” sentiment but she has brought attention to the league and that will raise up everyone by bringing in more money. Being the player that injured her out of spite won’t be a good look.

That might sound like it’s derogatory to women by attaching emotional attributes like jealousy to in game situations, but it doesn’t look like a hard foul to take her off her game as much as it  seems vindictive when you blindside a player and then can’t own up to the questions afterwards.

Reese and Brink should be in the running for ROY, but neither are the offensive threat that Clark is and votes almost always go to scoring over defense and rebounds.

Completely agree. Well said. TP

Michael Jordan faced similar hostility but the league always kept its eye on the prize.

Curious what you mean by this cause the league definitely let teams foul Jordan extremely hard, especially early in his career.

[Who]

Clark has been getting more than her fair share of “Welcome to the league, rookie” hits. Breanna Stewart looked to be sending a message earlier in the season with a hard pick, but that was a basketball play and some of the more recent actions don’t seem justified. They look like jealousy over her being paid more and getting more attention as the new face of the league.

I can understand the “She hasn’t earned it yet” sentiment but she has brought attention to the league and that will raise up everyone by bringing in more money. Being the player that injured her out of spite won’t be a good look.

That might sound like it’s derogatory to women by attaching emotional attributes like jealousy to in game situations, but it doesn’t look like a hard foul to take her off her game as much as it  seems vindictive when you blindside a player and then can’t own up to the questions afterwards.

Reese and Brink should be in the running for ROY, but neither are the offensive threat that Clark is and votes almost always go to scoring over defense and rebounds.

Completely agree. Well said. TP

Michael Jordan faced similar hostility but the league always kept its eye on the prize.

Curious what you mean by this cause the league definitely let teams foul Jordan extremely hard, especially early in his career.

They created the Flagrant Foul to protect Jordan. To stop Detroit from whacking him so much. It was the 1990-91 season. Jordan beat the Pistons for the first time after the new foul was introduced to aide him.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Clark has been getting more than her fair share of “Welcome to the league, rookie” hits. Breanna Stewart looked to be sending a message earlier in the season with a hard pick, but that was a basketball play and some of the more recent actions don’t seem justified. They look like jealousy over her being paid more and getting more attention as the new face of the league.

I can understand the “She hasn’t earned it yet” sentiment but she has brought attention to the league and that will raise up everyone by bringing in more money. Being the player that injured her out of spite won’t be a good look.

That might sound like it’s derogatory to women by attaching emotional attributes like jealousy to in game situations, but it doesn’t look like a hard foul to take her off her game as much as it  seems vindictive when you blindside a player and then can’t own up to the questions afterwards.

Reese and Brink should be in the running for ROY, but neither are the offensive threat that Clark is and votes almost always go to scoring over defense and rebounds.

Completely agree. Well said. TP

Michael Jordan faced similar hostility but the league always kept its eye on the prize.

Curious what you mean by this cause the league definitely let teams foul Jordan extremely hard, especially early in his career.

They created the Flagrant Foul to protect Jordan. To stop Detroit from whacking him so much. It was the 1990-91 season. Jordan beat the Pistons for the first time after the new foul was introduced to aide him.

That was like 5-6 into his career though.

[tazzmaniac]

Clark has been getting more than her fair share of “Welcome to the league, rookie” hits. Breanna Stewart looked to be sending a message earlier in the season with a hard pick, but that was a basketball play and some of the more recent actions don’t seem justified. They look like jealousy over her being paid more and getting more attention as the new face of the league.

I can understand the “She hasn’t earned it yet” sentiment but she has brought attention to the league and that will raise up everyone by bringing in more money. Being the player that injured her out of spite won’t be a good look.

That might sound like it’s derogatory to women by attaching emotional attributes like jealousy to in game situations, but it doesn’t look like a hard foul to take her off her game as much as it  seems vindictive when you blindside a player and then can’t own up to the questions afterwards.

Reese and Brink should be in the running for ROY, but neither are the offensive threat that Clark is and votes almost always go to scoring over defense and rebounds.

Completely agree. Well said. TP

Michael Jordan faced similar hostility but the league always kept its eye on the prize.

Curious what you mean by this cause the league definitely let teams foul Jordan extremely hard, especially early in his career.

They created the Flagrant Foul to protect Jordan. To stop Detroit from whacking him so much. It was the 1990-91 season. Jordan beat the Pistons for the first time after the new foul was introduced to aide him.

That was like 5-6 into his career though.

And who didn't Detroit hack hard? 

[DefenseWinsChamps]

WNBA responds: "Everybody's talkin'... But everybody's watching, too."

This kind of sentiment doesn't make me want to be a fan. My 10 year old daughter is already tired of watching the WNBA games because they don't move the ball like Iowa did with Clark (although the Liberty do moreso).

I'm trying to be open to watching some new basketball, but even though viewership is up, the quality of basketball is not, and the attitude coming through is entitlement. That makes it hard to become a fan.

The success of the WNBA is not guaranteed. There is a real future where the WNBA messes up this opportunity with Clark and sinks.

[Birdman]

Take Clark out of WNBA and no one is watching