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Re: Porzingis injury updates (Update: Dislocated Tendon)
« Reply #870 on: June 12, 2024, 10:30:34 AM »

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Ultimately I think we can survive with Tillman playing about 6-10 minutes and Horford playing a few more minutes than usual (so from 28-30 minutes, to around 32). KP was playing about 20-22 minutes in the first two games, it's not like he was going 40+ minutes either.

That's really what it will come down to...can they hold their own during the non-Al non-KP minutes. If we have to play Luke or X, can we prevent the Mavs from getting momentum or getting Cryrie or Luka getting into a rhythm by feeding their own bigs.
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Re: Porzingis injury updates (Update: Dislocated Tendon)
« Reply #871 on: June 12, 2024, 10:37:41 AM »

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i'm of course concerned with Porzingis' long term health if there's an added risk there. and i'm concerned about not having him at all for the rest of the series. but it seems that the possibility of him playing is coming into view and my third concern is about how effective he'll be if he does play. last we saw of him, he did not look playable. maybe he was just being cautious with an unknown injury. but he'll need to be more mobile than that otherwise anyone on the bench is more effective than he is anyway.

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« Reply #872 on: June 12, 2024, 10:48:36 AM »

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i'm of course concerned with Porzingis' long term health if there's an added risk there. and i'm concerned about not having him at all for the rest of the series. but it seems that the possibility of him playing is coming into view and my third concern is about how effective he'll be if he does play. last we saw of him, he did not look playable. maybe he was just being cautious with an unknown injury. but he'll need to be more mobile than that otherwise anyone on the bench is more effective than he is anyway.

Whether he is cleared to play or not will be the medical staff's call. Whether he is useful enough out there will be Mazzulla's call. I trust each of them in their decisions.

Re: Porzingis injury updates (Update: Dislocated Tendon)
« Reply #873 on: June 12, 2024, 02:33:31 PM »

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I think a strategy could be to play Brissett some minutes while having Tatum or even Holiday play at the 5 for some minutes. One knock on Kornet is the belief that Gafford/Lively might out-physical him and be more effective grabbing boards, but Brissett is a hustle guy who can also grab boards and Tatum is more than capable of playing the 5. And playing small might not be a bad thing for a Dallas team that's poor and a bit slow defensively largely due to Luka.

Or they could also just let Kornet/Tillman combine for maybe 6-10 minutes depending on rotations.

I think Tillman is playable in this series. Yeah we might compromise offense a little but he's a great defender and very capable on switches. For just 6-8 minutes, it's not bad especially if it's timed for when Doncic is out of the game.

Gafford ate up Tatum in the post. You don't want Tatum on him.

Gafford had 13 points and can't make a free throw to save his life.

Is there a point you trying to make here?

Yeah, that Gafford didn't eat anyone up...

Because I needed something to yell at the TV about, I was getting a little hair across my butt about them not wrapping up Gafford and making him make free throws instead of layup/dunks.

If that is my biggest gripe for this game as well, it will be OK.
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Re: Porzingis injury updates (Update: Dislocated Tendon)
« Reply #874 on: June 12, 2024, 02:54:40 PM »

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I think a strategy could be to play Brissett some minutes while having Tatum or even Holiday play at the 5 for some minutes. One knock on Kornet is the belief that Gafford/Lively might out-physical him and be more effective grabbing boards, but Brissett is a hustle guy who can also grab boards and Tatum is more than capable of playing the 5. And playing small might not be a bad thing for a Dallas team that's poor and a bit slow defensively largely due to Luka.

Or they could also just let Kornet/Tillman combine for maybe 6-10 minutes depending on rotations.

I think Tillman is playable in this series. Yeah we might compromise offense a little but he's a great defender and very capable on switches. For just 6-8 minutes, it's not bad especially if it's timed for when Doncic is out of the game.

Gafford ate up Tatum in the post. You don't want Tatum on him.

Gafford had 13 points and can't make a free throw to save his life.

Is there a point you trying to make here?

Yeah, that Gafford didn't eat anyone up...

I'd say 13 points in 23 minutes from a role player is quite significant, particularly if they are feeding him down low like they were doing in the 2nd half of the second game when Tatum was on him... with no resistance, easy buckets.

So yeah, I have a big issue if Dallas starts exploiting that.

Re: Porzingis injury updates (Update: Dislocated Tendon)
« Reply #875 on: June 12, 2024, 02:59:02 PM »

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I think a strategy could be to play Brissett some minutes while having Tatum or even Holiday play at the 5 for some minutes. One knock on Kornet is the belief that Gafford/Lively might out-physical him and be more effective grabbing boards, but Brissett is a hustle guy who can also grab boards and Tatum is more than capable of playing the 5. And playing small might not be a bad thing for a Dallas team that's poor and a bit slow defensively largely due to Luka.

Or they could also just let Kornet/Tillman combine for maybe 6-10 minutes depending on rotations.

I think Tillman is playable in this series. Yeah we might compromise offense a little but he's a great defender and very capable on switches. For just 6-8 minutes, it's not bad especially if it's timed for when Doncic is out of the game.

Gafford ate up Tatum in the post. You don't want Tatum on him.

Gafford had 13 points and can't make a free throw to save his life.

Is there a point you trying to make here?

Yeah, that Gafford didn't eat anyone up...

I'd say 13 points in 23 minutes from a role player is quite significant, particularly if they are feeding him down low like they were doing in the 2nd half of the second game when Tatum was on him... with no resistance, easy buckets.

So yeah, I have a big issue if Dallas starts exploiting that.

I doubt Gafford goes off for 30 tonight. Not worried...

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« Reply #876 on: June 12, 2024, 03:27:59 PM »

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I think a strategy could be to play Brissett some minutes while having Tatum or even Holiday play at the 5 for some minutes. One knock on Kornet is the belief that Gafford/Lively might out-physical him and be more effective grabbing boards, but Brissett is a hustle guy who can also grab boards and Tatum is more than capable of playing the 5. And playing small might not be a bad thing for a Dallas team that's poor and a bit slow defensively largely due to Luka.

Or they could also just let Kornet/Tillman combine for maybe 6-10 minutes depending on rotations.

I think Tillman is playable in this series. Yeah we might compromise offense a little but he's a great defender and very capable on switches. For just 6-8 minutes, it's not bad especially if it's timed for when Doncic is out of the game.

Gafford ate up Tatum in the post. You don't want Tatum on him.
Tatums been arguably our worst defender in this series on anyone.
To be fair that speaks volumes about our other guys.



What are you talking about? Tatum has been awesome defensively.

He?s been our 4th maybe even 5th best defender and is being hunted by the mavs?but ok

what are you talking about? sometimes i swear you just make up stuff to be purposely negative. Tatum has not been poor defensively.

The mavs are collectively shooting 60% when defended by Tatum and they?re hunting him.
Again, he?s been at best our 4th best defender and is shooting 30 something percent from the field.

Kendrick Perkins, is that you? Swear the hot takes are getting overboard. Because from the eye test, it?s Tatum that?s making the defensive scheme possible.

To spell it out, the Celtics have made one matchup adjustment and that?s putting Tatum on Gafford (and by consequence, putting Horford on Jones). The Mavs offense wants to hunt Horford and so instead of Gafford setting the screen, it?s Jones. This makes a huge difference. Why?

On pick and pop, it forces Jones to pop above the break where he?s not a good shooter (and the C?s have honestly sometimes ignored him, practically daring Jones to beat them with above the break threes). On pnr, Jones is not a lob threat and Lukas primary defender (like Jrue or White or Brown) can contain Jones when the switch happens. On top of that, if Jones does roll, then Gafford is also there because Gafford has to be at the dunker?s spot to be a threat, which results in a congested lane (or Gafford can drift to the 3 where he?s no longer a threat and can be ignored too).

Meanwhile the other 2 defenders in the corners can stay home because the Celtics defense has essentially created a scenario where it?s 3 on 3 (or sometimes even 3 on 2 if they ignore Jones completely). Luka isn?t able to ?jail? anyone to create a 2v1 at the rim to generate easy points. And there?s no corner kick out option either.

And yes, all this is made possible because Tatum can reasonably defend Gafford without giving up offensive boards. Btw, this is why Tatum?s ability to rebound has been huge as well.

So yeah, maybe Tatum hasn?t been the best on-ball defender but he?s been the teams most versatile defender and the lynchpin of the team defense philosophy. The Celtics are shutting down the Mavs as a team and the reason Luka gets his numbers is because he?s just a great individual scorer who can score on any defense.
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Re: Porzingis injury updates (Update: Dislocated Tendon)
« Reply #877 on: June 12, 2024, 04:11:16 PM »

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We don't need Porzingis to finish this series.

Porzingis has done his part. He helped to deliver a 2-0 series lead. He has helped what would've been somewhere around 50-50 likelihood of winning without Porzingis at all to being a 90-95% likelihood of winning because he played 2 games and delivered the 2-0 series lead.

Now it is up to the rest of the team to finish the job.

Porzingis has done his part.

Re: Porzingis injury updates (Update: Dislocated Tendon)
« Reply #878 on: June 12, 2024, 04:44:38 PM »

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Kornet's main job will be to keep Lively or Gafford off the boards.  They don't have a big who can score like Mobely or Turner. Offensively he'll be a pick and roll guy. So you lose a 3 point shooter without Porzingis, which means they'll have 4 guys out there who can make 3's vs 5.

Also keep in mind that he's playing bench minutes. He won't be out there with the game on the line. The only times all season where Kornet has been a liability is vs the top 4's or 5's who are scorers. And earlier in the playoffs he contributed enough offensively to offset whatever defensive problems he had.

Technically still 5 guys who can shoot 3s if you count the current starting 5. But yeah, minus KP off the bench then it's just Hauser and Pritchard in that core 8.

Joe should've used the bench more this year so he could trust them more than I think he does. I would not be afraid to play Q or X some. They are both more athletic than Luke. Q matching up against Lively would be fun to watch. If the 3s are falling in game 3 then it won't matter.

Not the ?Joe should?ve used the bench more? nonsense.  Tillman was acquired at the deadline and arrived hurt, while Q was a 2-way guy who a) was limited in the amount of games he was allowed to play because he was a 2-way, b) makes a ton of rotation mistakes and will get eaten alive by Luka, and c) wasn?t even playoff eligible until the last week of the season.

Luke will get minutes if KP can?t go, and we will win in 4 or 5, just like we would with KP.

You play those guys throughout the season in case they are needed.

How is he supposed to play Tillman ?through the season? when he literally had one healthy month of him?  Or Queta, who again wasn't on the roster for half of the games?  As was he played Queta over half the games he was on the active roster, and gave him over 10 minutes a contest.  He?s seen Queta, and the lack of confidence Joe has in him for the playoffs is because he?s seen Queta, not because he hasn?t.

Ever hear of Gene Guarilia?

"Guarilia was particularly effective in Boston's 1961?62 NBA championship victory over the Los Angeles Lakers. In the final moments of regulation, in the decisive seventh game, he stopped Elgin Baylor. The Celtics went on to win the game in overtime."

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« Reply #879 on: June 12, 2024, 04:49:08 PM »

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Kornet's main job will be to keep Lively or Gafford off the boards.  They don't have a big who can score like Mobely or Turner. Offensively he'll be a pick and roll guy. So you lose a 3 point shooter without Porzingis, which means they'll have 4 guys out there who can make 3's vs 5.

Also keep in mind that he's playing bench minutes. He won't be out there with the game on the line. The only times all season where Kornet has been a liability is vs the top 4's or 5's who are scorers. And earlier in the playoffs he contributed enough offensively to offset whatever defensive problems he had.

Technically still 5 guys who can shoot 3s if you count the current starting 5. But yeah, minus KP off the bench then it's just Hauser and Pritchard in that core 8.

Joe should've used the bench more this year so he could trust them more than I think he does. I would not be afraid to play Q or X some. They are both more athletic than Luke. Q matching up against Lively would be fun to watch. If the 3s are falling in game 3 then it won't matter.

Not the ?Joe should?ve used the bench more? nonsense.  Tillman was acquired at the deadline and arrived hurt, while Q was a 2-way guy who a) was limited in the amount of games he was allowed to play because he was a 2-way, b) makes a ton of rotation mistakes and will get eaten alive by Luka, and c) wasn?t even playoff eligible until the last week of the season.

Luke will get minutes if KP can?t go, and we will win in 4 or 5, just like we would with KP.

You play those guys throughout the season in case they are needed.

How is he supposed to play Tillman ?through the season? when he literally had one healthy month of him?  Or Queta, who again wasn't on the roster for half of the games?  As was he played Queta over half the games he was on the active roster, and gave him over 10 minutes a contest.  He?s seen Queta, and the lack of confidence Joe has in him for the playoffs is because he?s seen Queta, not because he hasn?t.

Ever hear of Gene Guarilia?

"Guarilia was particularly effective in Boston's 1961?62 NBA championship victory over the Los Angeles Lakers. In the final moments of regulation, in the decisive seventh game, he stopped Elgin Baylor. The Celtics went on to win the game in overtime."

No, and I?m not sure what relevance someone who played 60 years ago has today.

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« Reply #880 on: June 12, 2024, 05:06:05 PM »

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Boston Celtics center Kristaps Porzingis is listed as questionable for Game 3 of the NBA Finals against the Dallas Mavericks, but he was the first player on the court for the team's shootaround on Wednesday. Porzingis did not appear to be limping and was not wearing a brace, according to multiple reports.


https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/kristaps-porzingis-injury-update-celtics-big-man-participates-in-shootaround-ahead-of-game-3-vs-mavericks/
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« Reply #881 on: June 12, 2024, 05:25:58 PM »

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Boston Celtics center Kristaps Porzingis is listed as questionable for Game 3 of the NBA Finals against the Dallas Mavericks, but he was the first player on the court for the team's shootaround on Wednesday. Porzingis did not appear to be limping and was not wearing a brace, according to multiple reports.


https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/kristaps-porzingis-injury-update-celtics-big-man-participates-in-shootaround-ahead-of-game-3-vs-mavericks/

I feel like he?s going to play even if it?s 10-15minutes. Or is it me?

The doctors definitely already know if he can or not. I mean he was at shoot around today and I?m sure ran through drills.

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« Reply #882 on: June 12, 2024, 05:34:36 PM »

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Boston Celtics center Kristaps Porzingis is listed as questionable for Game 3 of the NBA Finals against the Dallas Mavericks, but he was the first player on the court for the team's shootaround on Wednesday. Porzingis did not appear to be limping and was not wearing a brace, according to multiple reports.


https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/kristaps-porzingis-injury-update-celtics-big-man-participates-in-shootaround-ahead-of-game-3-vs-mavericks/

I feel like he?s going to play even if it?s 10-15minutes. Or is it me?

The doctors definitely already know if he can or not. I mean he was at shoot around today and I?m sure ran through drills.

+1, I think he is playing too.  I mentioned it in the game thread.   Feels like he is out there at least 10 min just for decoy purposes alone at least.

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« Reply #883 on: June 12, 2024, 05:38:47 PM »

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I?m guessing he gets a 3-5 minute stretch in the middle of every quarter.  Probably closer to 3 than 5, but enough to afford Al some breathers and not go deeper into the bench.  Fingers crossed he doesn?t make it worse.

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« Reply #884 on: June 12, 2024, 05:56:53 PM »

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Boston Celtics center Kristaps Porzingis is listed as questionable for Game 3 of the NBA Finals against the Dallas Mavericks, but he was the first player on the court for the team's shootaround on Wednesday. Porzingis did not appear to be limping and was not wearing a brace, according to multiple reports.


https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/kristaps-porzingis-injury-update-celtics-big-man-participates-in-shootaround-ahead-of-game-3-vs-mavericks/

I feel like he?s going to play even if it?s 10-15minutes. Or is it me?

The doctors definitely already know if he can or not. I mean he was at shoot around today and I?m sure ran through drills.

+1, I think he is playing too.  I mentioned it in the game thread.   Feels like he is out there at least 10 min just for decoy purposes alone at least.

I don't expect him to sprint down court and block shots or even jump high up to block shots. Nor sprint down to dunk.

Maybe he can help set screens and take those 30ft 3-pointers and pray it goes in...thas about it


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