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Re: Celtics 2024 Playoff Run Thread
« Reply #555 on: May 30, 2024, 08:29:31 PM »

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Yea if KG didn’t get hurt in year 2 & Perkins in the Finals (refs didn’t help either) we would win 3 in a row
I'm not so sure Boston beats Cleveland in 09.  In 08 it was a tough 7 game series and the Cavs got better and we're the top seed in 09.  They didn't match up nearly as well with Dwight and the Magic as they did with the C's.  Boston would have beaten Orlando and LA with a non-injured KG, I'm just not so sure about the Cavs. 

In 10, I have a hard time thinking Perkins would have made a difference.  Sheed played very well with increased minutes in game 7 and Boston lost that game on offense, especially PP and Ray who combined for an awful 8 of 29

Celtics with healthy Perk wouldn't lose b2b at Lakers in Game 6 and 7. As soon as he went down in Game 6, we got blown out.

Just wished the Celtics took care of business in Game 3 so Boston didn't have to fly back to LA again in the Finals lol

Yeah Perk definitely puts us over the top. In G7 we literally just needed a couple more rebounds. Almost all the laker points came from putbacks and FTs.
 Rasheed was an absolute slug that game on the glass, and extra fresh legs by Perk in the 4th and we get some key stops.

No way doesn't grab a few boards/stops and get some fast breaks going for the  C's win.
Sheed was great through 3 quarters though.  Maybe with Perk and his terrible offense, the Lakers are up big entering the 4th quarter.  Through 5 games, Perk was +1 in the series (and Boston was +2).  It isn't like the team was great with him and bad without him.  He was fine for what he was, but Boston lost that game on offense

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Not what I said nor implied at all.  Sheed was excellent in that game early on. Kept Bynum and Pau in check. Lakers didn't even play Bynum in the 4th quarter of that game.  Odom and Pau both played the entire 4th quarter.   Brilliant coaching move by Phil as it minimized Boston's best defenders by forcing one out to the perimeter to guard Odom.  That 4th quarter was just a master class by Phil while Soc per his usual couldn't get out of his own way.
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Re: Celtics 2024 Playoff Run Thread
« Reply #556 on: May 30, 2024, 09:24:41 PM »

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Porzingis probably has more value than Parrish, probably closer to McHale (although McHale was a much better overall defender than Porzingis).

I digress, but I think Porzingis is Parish in this analogy.  McHale was the clear #2 (like Brown) and Parish was the really important #3.

Porzingis is very good, but McHale's post game was so far above anything I've seen KP able to do, add in defensive ability, rebounding especially offensive and I don't think the guy is close to Kevin. Different type players in different eras with significant changes in team playing styles.
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Re: Celtics 2024 Playoff Run Thread
« Reply #557 on: May 30, 2024, 09:36:24 PM »

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This post may be better suited here than the general playoff thread, forgive my repetition ............

Is everyone still so sure they prefer to play Dallas in the finals over Minnesota ?
Dallas looks very good right now, Doncic and Irving playing out of their minds on a highly motivated team.
One of our guys needs to put Kyrie on his ass in game 1, if for no other reason than the stunts he has pulled since leaving Boston empty-handed.
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Re: Celtics 2024 Playoff Run Thread
« Reply #558 on: May 31, 2024, 03:52:42 AM »

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Yea if KG didn’t get hurt in year 2 & Perkins in the Finals (refs didn’t help either) we would win 3 in a row
I'm not so sure Boston beats Cleveland in 09.  In 08 it was a tough 7 game series and the Cavs got better and we're the top seed in 09.  They didn't match up nearly as well with Dwight and the Magic as they did with the C's.  Boston would have beaten Orlando and LA with a non-injured KG, I'm just not so sure about the Cavs. 

In 10, I have a hard time thinking Perkins would have made a difference.  Sheed played very well with increased minutes in game 7 and Boston lost that game on offense, especially PP and Ray who combined for an awful 8 of 29

Celtics with healthy Perk wouldn't lose b2b at Lakers in Game 6 and 7. As soon as he went down in Game 6, we got blown out.

Just wished the Celtics took care of business in Game 3 so Boston didn't have to fly back to LA again in the Finals lol

Yeah Perk definitely puts us over the top. In G7 we literally just needed a couple more rebounds. Almost all the laker points came from putbacks and FTs.
 Rasheed was an absolute slug that game on the glass, and extra fresh legs by Perk in the 4th and we get some key stops.

No way doesn't grab a few boards/stops and get some fast breaks going for the  C's win.

that game still gives me PTSD. a title was in our hands. yes, even without perk we were up 12 in the 3rd quarter and blew it. yes, the lakers killed us with free throws at the end if i recall to win it. thanks refs. we still coulda won it like you said had we gotten some boards and stops and a chance to run the other way. lakers had no business winning  >:( >:(that.

i just went back through the play by play again. i'm absolutely sick. the free throws in the 4th were disgusting. we lost the lead for good at around the 5 minute mark of the 4th.  >:( :'(

Leprechaun,  To this day, I have never watched that 4th quarter of game 7, 2010.
I was so nervous that I turned on a movie and kept an eye on the gamecast - just had a bad feeling.
That game supplanted game 7, 1973 ECF vs Knicks loss and the game 4, 1987 finals vs Lakers loss as my most painful as a fan.
PTSD is a good way to describe it. Garnett's team sure deserved more than the one title.
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Re: Celtics 2024 Playoff Run Thread
« Reply #559 on: May 31, 2024, 05:26:07 AM »

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This post may be better suited here than the general playoff thread, forgive my repetition ............

Is everyone still so sure they prefer to play Dallas in the finals over Minnesota ?
Dallas looks very good right now, Doncic and Irving playing out of their minds on a highly motivated team.
One of our guys needs to put Kyrie on his ass in game 1, if for no other reason than the stunts he has pulled since leaving Boston empty-handed.

I would have rather played Minnesota, I think, because I generally believe that Dallas has more potential for top-end talent to show itself.

But I'll enjoy the games - provided they're good - regardless of the outcome.
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« Reply #560 on: May 31, 2024, 06:18:07 AM »

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the NBA is all about matchups right? so what happens in one round doesn't necessarily translate to a different team. Minnesota beat Denver, but does that mean Dallas would've rolled Denver? it probably would've been a rolling in the opposite end with Jocic dominating Dallas.

Celtics match up better with Dallas than they would with Minnesota. Unlike facing minnesota, Dallas can't just hide Kyrie/Luca every time down the court on defense. Why minnesota never attacked luca i'll never know.

But, this isn't a situation where Boston will have an offensive liability on the court. You will have some combination of Holiday/brown/white/tatum/Porzingis/Horford/pritchard/hauser out there at all times.

Horford/Porzingis loom large in this series because their 3pt shooting will take lively/gafford out of the paint on the perimeter spacing the floor. If those guys want to crash and stop brown/tatum from slashing you will leave them open for wide open 3's

celtics also love matchup hunting. in the last 2 matchups, Brown had his way with Luca making him work for it being physical.

on Defense, you cant fully stop Luca/Kyrie. But I think we have the horses to make it harder on them than Minnesota did. 2 of the best defensive guards in the league on kyrie in WHite/Holiday? and for Luca i expect Brown/tatum to take that assignment

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« Reply #561 on: May 31, 2024, 11:13:42 AM »

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With Dallas making the Finals as a 5 Seed, the Celtics highest seeded opponent for this run will have been Cleveland at #4.  Pretty crazy.

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Re: Celtics 2024 Playoff Run Thread
« Reply #562 on: May 31, 2024, 12:06:03 PM »

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the NBA is all about matchups right? so what happens in one round doesn't necessarily translate to a different team. Minnesota beat Denver, but does that mean Dallas would've rolled Denver? it probably would've been a rolling in the opposite end with Jocic dominating Dallas.

Celtics match up better with Dallas than they would with Minnesota. Unlike facing minnesota, Dallas can't just hide Kyrie/Luca every time down the court on defense. Why minnesota never attacked luca i'll never know.

But, this isn't a situation where Boston will have an offensive liability on the court. You will have some combination of Holiday/brown/white/tatum/Porzingis/Horford/pritchard/hauser out there at all times.

Horford/Porzingis loom large in this series because their 3pt shooting will take lively/gafford out of the paint on the perimeter spacing the floor. If those guys want to crash and stop brown/tatum from slashing you will leave them open for wide open 3's

celtics also love matchup hunting. in the last 2 matchups, Brown had his way with Luca making him work for it being physical.

on Defense, you cant fully stop Luca/Kyrie. But I think we have the horses to make it harder on them than Minnesota did. 2 of the best defensive guards in the league on kyrie in WHite/Holiday? and for Luca i expect Brown/tatum to take that assignment

Match ups are important, but they are also 2-way.  It may have been true that MIN was able to match up better against Jokic with Gobert and Towns but who does DEN have to match up to Luka and Kyrie?  I think DAL would have beat DEN, unless Murray really turned it around.  But that doesn't matter, we get DAL.

I don't think it matters to DAL who they match up with.  They are going to play the way they play.  Luka and Kyrie are going to dominate the ball.  It is all they got.  So far, no one has been able to stop that.  Not a quick athletic team (OKC), not a big team (MIN), and not LAC who was a pretty good defensive team at times in the regular season.

With all the switching and match up hunting that goes on these days, it is hard to control who will have to match up vs. Luka or Kyrie.  Luka in particular will create a switch to get the match up he wants.  The key to me is to keep Luka on the perimeter.  We can start out with Brown on him (for example), but they will try to force a switch.  It will be an interesting chess match.  But I feel that we have enough good defenders that we should be able to keep Luka on the perimeter, even after switches.  MIN often ended up with Kyle Anderson on Luka.  I am sure that Luka liked that match up.  We have better options to switch than MIN did.  Brown, Holiday, White, Tatum, even Hauser should be able to keep Luka out of the paint.  If Horford or Porzingis or Kornet get stuck on Luka, we probably have to double and reset.

Going the other way, I see it as hard for DAL to defend all our guys.  We shouldn't even need switches.  They will likely double Tatum but they can't double everyone.  We should be able to drive past guys.  They have rim protection, but our bigs can hit 3s.  Or go for lob-dunks when their bigs rotate.  Our strength is that we have 5 guys on the floor that can score most of the time (exceptions are Kornet and Tillman who hopefully won't play much).  We need to make sure there is no place for DAL to hide their weaker defenders or no one they can leave open when they double/rotate.

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« Reply #563 on: May 31, 2024, 01:17:01 PM »

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Al Horford on Boston fans' reception for Kyrie: "When he left, it wasn't ideal for everyone here."

Both Horford and Kyrie have one thing in common and they both left in 2019 off-season the same time.

Except the difference is, Horford screwed up the 76ers and was loyal enough to come back. Kyrie, on the other hand, made empty promises and defected Boston. Defecting the Celtics is one thing, but stomping on Lucky crossed the line and he has become public enemy number 1 in Boston.


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« Reply #565 on: June 01, 2024, 01:18:06 AM »

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I feel like the Celtics have become the most hated team in NBA history this year lol. I guess it must've been the "easy"/bubble-like run by them playing injured teams and all

And I thought the 2017 Warriors were the most hated...you know, that bought championship run lol.


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« Reply #566 on: June 01, 2024, 02:34:17 AM »

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I feel like the Celtics have become the most hated team in NBA history this year lol. I guess it must've been the "easy"/bubble-like run by them playing injured teams and all

And I thought the 2017 Warriors were the most hated...you know, that bought championship run lol.

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« Reply #567 on: June 01, 2024, 03:10:42 AM »

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Al Horford on Boston fans' reception for Kyrie: "When he left, it wasn't ideal for everyone here."

Both Horford and Kyrie have one thing in common and they both left in 2019 off-season the same time.

Except the difference is, Horford screwed up the 76ers and was loyal enough to come back. Kyrie, on the other hand, made empty promises and defected Boston. Defecting the Celtics is one thing, but stomping on Lucky crossed the line and he has become public enemy number 1 in Boston.

I wish the Celtic players felt the same way as the fans.

Stomping on Lucky was about as blatant a slap in the face as it gets, yet there were our guys hugging Kyrie after the Brooklyn playoff series. Even Cedric Maxwell brought up Irving's insult during a recent podcast, Max knew how to never back down from a fight and God love him for it. The worst part about Irving is that he is the one guilty of doing the franchise wrong. The Celtics bent over backwards to accommodate his psycho behavior.
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« Reply #568 on: June 01, 2024, 07:05:28 AM »

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Al Horford on Boston fans' reception for Kyrie: "When he left, it wasn't ideal for everyone here."

Both Horford and Kyrie have one thing in common and they both left in 2019 off-season the same time.

Except the difference is, Horford screwed up the 76ers and was loyal enough to come back. Kyrie, on the other hand, made empty promises and defected Boston. Defecting the Celtics is one thing, but stomping on Lucky crossed the line and he has become public enemy number 1 in Boston.

I wish the Celtic players felt the same way as the fans.

Stomping on Lucky was about as blatant a slap in the face as it gets, yet there were our guys hugging Kyrie after the Brooklyn playoff series. Even Cedric Maxwell brought up Irving's insult during a recent podcast, Max knew how to never back down from a fight and God love him for it. The worst part about Irving is that he is the one guilty of doing the franchise wrong. The Celtics bent over backwards to accommodate his psycho behavior.

its kind of funny, i've already seen comments about "kyries revenge series!" as if boston did Kyrie wrong.

guy came here, they bent over backwards for him. he promises to re sign with boston. Then secretly meets with KD at the all-star game. purposely tanks in the playoffs and leaves.

and yet somehow that is bostons fault?

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« Reply #569 on: June 01, 2024, 07:52:29 AM »

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Never forget Kyrie quit on this franchise in the playoffs.

This is all an act to repair his image for his next contract. He’s still a horrible person. I’m not buying any of this.

He’s antisemitic. He’s conspiracy theory pusher and he’s just an awful person.