The buyout / 15th roster spot thread...

[goCeltics]

Zhaire Smith is putting up good shooting numbers in the G league

https://stats.gleague.nba.com/player/1629015/

[ozgod]

Zhaire Smith is putting up good shooting numbers in the G league

https://stats.gleague.nba.com/player/1629015/

He's better off in the G-league getting reps than sitting on our bench and never playing as the No.14 guy.

[Roy H.]

Of the various options, I'd really like Patty Mills.  He's got a ring, he can add shooting in a "break glass" scenario, and he didn't complain about his role in Atlanta.

I suspect Brad will go with the 2024 equivalent of Champagnie, though. I think that's less useful this year, though, because we're going to have close to a full roster heading into next season, particularly when accounting for draft picks.  The chance of whoever we sign out of the G-league making the roster next season are very, very small.

[MattyIce]

Of the various options, I'd really like Patty Mills.  He's got a ring, he can add shooting in a "break glass" scenario, and he didn't complain about his role in Atlanta.

I suspect Brad will go with the 2024 equivalent of Champagnie, though. I think that's less useful this year, though, because we're going to have close to a full roster heading into next season, particularly when accounting for draft picks.  The chance of whoever we sign out of the G-league making the roster next season are very, very small.

Mills to the heat

[Roy H.]

Of the various options, I'd really like Patty Mills.  He's got a ring, he can add shooting in a "break glass" scenario, and he didn't complain about his role in Atlanta.

I suspect Brad will go with the 2024 equivalent of Champagnie, though. I think that's less useful this year, though, because we're going to have close to a full roster heading into next season, particularly when accounting for draft picks.  The chance of whoever we sign out of the G-league making the roster next season are very, very small.

Mills to the heat

Boo!

[liam]

Of the various options, I'd really like Patty Mills.  He's got a ring, he can add shooting in a "break glass" scenario, and he didn't complain about his role in Atlanta.

I suspect Brad will go with the 2024 equivalent of Champagnie, though. I think that's less useful this year, though, because we're going to have close to a full roster heading into next season, particularly when accounting for draft picks.  The chance of whoever we sign out of the G-league making the roster next season are very, very small.

Mills to the heat

https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/39659718/sources-patty-mills-joining-heat-remainder-season

[Celtics2021]

Of the various options, I'd really like Patty Mills.  He's got a ring, he can add shooting in a "break glass" scenario, and he didn't complain about his role in Atlanta.

I suspect Brad will go with the 2024 equivalent of Champagnie, though. I think that's less useful this year, though, because we're going to have close to a full roster heading into next season, particularly when accounting for draft picks.  The chance of whoever we sign out of the G-league making the roster next season are very, very small.

What draft picks?  Like Brad is going to keep our first rounder…

I’d also note that someone could be signed to a deal for the last week this year, and then be retained as a 2-way player next year if he doesn’t have too much experience, although I question the premise that our roster is already full.

[Roy H.]

Of the various options, I'd really like Patty Mills.  He's got a ring, he can add shooting in a "break glass" scenario, and he didn't complain about his role in Atlanta.

I suspect Brad will go with the 2024 equivalent of Champagnie, though. I think that's less useful this year, though, because we're going to have close to a full roster heading into next season, particularly when accounting for draft picks.  The chance of whoever we sign out of the G-league making the roster next season are very, very small.

What draft picks?  Like Brad is going to keep our first rounder…

I’d also note that someone could be signed to a deal for the last week this year, and then be retained as a 2-way player next year if he doesn’t have too much experience, although I question the premise that our roster is already full.

1.  Tatum
2.  Brown
3.  Porzingis
4.  White
5. Holiday
6. Horford
7. Hauser
8. Pritchard
9. Springer
10. Walsh

Those guys are all under contract.

11.  Brissett -- likely to come back on a player option
12.  Kornet -- likely to be retained as a free agent

13.  Tillman -- we'll see what his market is
14.  Davison or Queta

15.  Empty roster spot

That's assuming, as you do, that we're not keeping our #1, and that our #2 via Dallas ends up overseas or on a two-way.

It seems exceedingly unlikely that any "prospect" we sign the last week of the season is going to make the roster.

[Celtics2021]

Of the various options, I'd really like Patty Mills.  He's got a ring, he can add shooting in a "break glass" scenario, and he didn't complain about his role in Atlanta.

I suspect Brad will go with the 2024 equivalent of Champagnie, though. I think that's less useful this year, though, because we're going to have close to a full roster heading into next season, particularly when accounting for draft picks.  The chance of whoever we sign out of the G-league making the roster next season are very, very small.

What draft picks?  Like Brad is going to keep our first rounder…

I’d also note that someone could be signed to a deal for the last week this year, and then be retained as a 2-way player next year if he doesn’t have too much experience, although I question the premise that our roster is already full.

1.  Tatum
2.  Brown
3.  Porzingis
4.  White
5. Holiday
6. Horford
7. Hauser
8. Pritchard
9. Springer
10. Walsh

Those guys are all under contract.

11.  Brissett -- likely to come back on a player option
12.  Kornet -- likely to be retained as a free agent

13.  Tillman -- we'll see what his market is
14.  Davison or Queta

15.  Empty roster spot

That's assuming, as you do, that we're not keeping our #1.

It seems exceedingly unlikely that any "prospect" we sign the last week of the season is going to make the roster.

I don’t think Brissett is returning, personally.  I think he’ll look for somewhere with more playing time.  I also expect we only have one of Kornet and Tillman next year.

Lastly, and this is the big one, I think there’s a real chance Pritchard is moved because of Springer.  They aren’t going to keep around a $4 million 10th man given where they are in the tax/apron, and they didn’t trade for Springer not knowing what his salary was next year.  (Unless Holiday leaves, of course, but the point is there will be one fewer at that position next year).

[Roy H.]

Of the various options, I'd really like Patty Mills.  He's got a ring, he can add shooting in a "break glass" scenario, and he didn't complain about his role in Atlanta.

I suspect Brad will go with the 2024 equivalent of Champagnie, though. I think that's less useful this year, though, because we're going to have close to a full roster heading into next season, particularly when accounting for draft picks.  The chance of whoever we sign out of the G-league making the roster next season are very, very small.

What draft picks?  Like Brad is going to keep our first rounder…

I’d also note that someone could be signed to a deal for the last week this year, and then be retained as a 2-way player next year if he doesn’t have too much experience, although I question the premise that our roster is already full.

1.  Tatum
2.  Brown
3.  Porzingis
4.  White
5. Holiday
6. Horford
7. Hauser
8. Pritchard
9. Springer
10. Walsh

Those guys are all under contract.

11.  Brissett -- likely to come back on a player option
12.  Kornet -- likely to be retained as a free agent

13.  Tillman -- we'll see what his market is
14.  Davison or Queta

15.  Empty roster spot

That's assuming, as you do, that we're not keeping our #1.

It seems exceedingly unlikely that any "prospect" we sign the last week of the season is going to make the roster.

I don’t think Brissett is returning, personally.  I think he’ll look for somewhere with more playing time.  I also expect we only have one of Kornet and Tillman next year.

Lastly, and this is the big one, I think there’s a real chance Pritchard is moved because of Springer.  They aren’t going to keep around a $4 million 10th man given where they are in the tax/apron, and they didn’t trade for Springer not knowing what his salary was next year.  (Unless Holiday leaves, of course, but the point is there will be one fewer at that position next year).

Dumping Pritchard for a guy who can't shoot, dribble or pass would be a mistake. 

As for Brissett, I'm not sure that another team offers him a guaranteed contract.

[Celtics2021]

Of the various options, I'd really like Patty Mills.  He's got a ring, he can add shooting in a "break glass" scenario, and he didn't complain about his role in Atlanta.

I suspect Brad will go with the 2024 equivalent of Champagnie, though. I think that's less useful this year, though, because we're going to have close to a full roster heading into next season, particularly when accounting for draft picks.  The chance of whoever we sign out of the G-league making the roster next season are very, very small.

What draft picks?  Like Brad is going to keep our first rounder…

I’d also note that someone could be signed to a deal for the last week this year, and then be retained as a 2-way player next year if he doesn’t have too much experience, although I question the premise that our roster is already full.

1.  Tatum
2.  Brown
3.  Porzingis
4.  White
5. Holiday
6. Horford
7. Hauser
8. Pritchard
9. Springer
10. Walsh

Those guys are all under contract.

11.  Brissett -- likely to come back on a player option
12.  Kornet -- likely to be retained as a free agent

13.  Tillman -- we'll see what his market is
14.  Davison or Queta

15.  Empty roster spot

That's assuming, as you do, that we're not keeping our #1.

It seems exceedingly unlikely that any "prospect" we sign the last week of the season is going to make the roster.

I don’t think Brissett is returning, personally.  I think he’ll look for somewhere with more playing time.  I also expect we only have one of Kornet and Tillman next year.

Lastly, and this is the big one, I think there’s a real chance Pritchard is moved because of Springer.  They aren’t going to keep around a $4 million 10th man given where they are in the tax/apron, and they didn’t trade for Springer not knowing what his salary was next year.  (Unless Holiday leaves, of course, but the point is there will be one fewer at that position next year).

Dumping Pritchard for a guy who can't shoot, dribble or pass would be a mistake. 

As for Brissett, I'm not sure that another team offers him a guaranteed contract.

I wouldn’t be a fan of it, personally, but given their known budget constraints, why would the Celtics send out a pick for a guy making $4 million next year if they don’t intend to get him in the rotation?  Maybe he looks worse than the Celtics thought when they acquired him and gets dumped instead, but I don’t see both him and Pritchard on the roster next year.  Just my feeling.

Going back to my original point, however, there is room on a 2-way next year for a young guy the Celtics sign at the end of this year.  An April signee need not be on the 15-man next year to be retained.

[ozgod]

Of the various options, I'd really like Patty Mills.  He's got a ring, he can add shooting in a "break glass" scenario, and he didn't complain about his role in Atlanta.

I suspect Brad will go with the 2024 equivalent of Champagnie, though. I think that's less useful this year, though, because we're going to have close to a full roster heading into next season, particularly when accounting for draft picks.  The chance of whoever we sign out of the G-league making the roster next season are very, very small.

What draft picks?  Like Brad is going to keep our first rounder…

I’d also note that someone could be signed to a deal for the last week this year, and then be retained as a 2-way player next year if he doesn’t have too much experience, although I question the premise that our roster is already full.

1.  Tatum
2.  Brown
3.  Porzingis
4.  White
5. Holiday
6. Horford
7. Hauser
8. Pritchard
9. Springer
10. Walsh

Those guys are all under contract.

11.  Brissett -- likely to come back on a player option
12.  Kornet -- likely to be retained as a free agent

13.  Tillman -- we'll see what his market is
14.  Davison or Queta

15.  Empty roster spot

That's assuming, as you do, that we're not keeping our #1.

It seems exceedingly unlikely that any "prospect" we sign the last week of the season is going to make the roster.

I don’t think Brissett is returning, personally.  I think he’ll look for somewhere with more playing time.  I also expect we only have one of Kornet and Tillman next year.

Lastly, and this is the big one, I think there’s a real chance Pritchard is moved because of Springer.  They aren’t going to keep around a $4 million 10th man given where they are in the tax/apron, and they didn’t trade for Springer not knowing what his salary was next year.  (Unless Holiday leaves, of course, but the point is there will be one fewer at that position next year).

Dumping Pritchard for a guy who can't shoot, dribble or pass would be a mistake. 

As for Brissett, I'm not sure that another team offers him a guaranteed contract.

I wouldn’t be a fan of it, personally, but given their known budget constraints, why would the Celtics send out a pick for a guy making $4 million next year if they don’t intend to get him in the rotation?  Maybe he looks worse than the Celtics thought when they acquired him and gets dumped instead, but I don’t see both him and Pritchard on the roster next year.  Just my feeling.

Going back to my original point, however, there is room on a 2-way next year for a young guy the Celtics sign at the end of this year.  An April signee need not be on the 15-man next year to be retained.

I agree...and this would be the more preferable scenario as a Celtics fan but PP would definitely be more attractive if we wanted to get someone good back (either as part of a package or by himself). Unless Jaden has a breakthrough offseason trading him would indeed be a dump. Plus next season PP's poison pill will have expired (I think).

[Roy H.]

Of the various options, I'd really like Patty Mills.  He's got a ring, he can add shooting in a "break glass" scenario, and he didn't complain about his role in Atlanta.

I suspect Brad will go with the 2024 equivalent of Champagnie, though. I think that's less useful this year, though, because we're going to have close to a full roster heading into next season, particularly when accounting for draft picks.  The chance of whoever we sign out of the G-league making the roster next season are very, very small.

What draft picks?  Like Brad is going to keep our first rounder…

I’d also note that someone could be signed to a deal for the last week this year, and then be retained as a 2-way player next year if he doesn’t have too much experience, although I question the premise that our roster is already full.

1.  Tatum
2.  Brown
3.  Porzingis
4.  White
5. Holiday
6. Horford
7. Hauser
8. Pritchard
9. Springer
10. Walsh

Those guys are all under contract.

11.  Brissett -- likely to come back on a player option
12.  Kornet -- likely to be retained as a free agent

13.  Tillman -- we'll see what his market is
14.  Davison or Queta

15.  Empty roster spot

That's assuming, as you do, that we're not keeping our #1.

It seems exceedingly unlikely that any "prospect" we sign the last week of the season is going to make the roster.

I don’t think Brissett is returning, personally.  I think he’ll look for somewhere with more playing time.  I also expect we only have one of Kornet and Tillman next year.

Lastly, and this is the big one, I think there’s a real chance Pritchard is moved because of Springer.  They aren’t going to keep around a $4 million 10th man given where they are in the tax/apron, and they didn’t trade for Springer not knowing what his salary was next year.  (Unless Holiday leaves, of course, but the point is there will be one fewer at that position next year).

Dumping Pritchard for a guy who can't shoot, dribble or pass would be a mistake. 

As for Brissett, I'm not sure that another team offers him a guaranteed contract.

I wouldn’t be a fan of it, personally, but given their known budget constraints, why would the Celtics send out a pick for a guy making $4 million next year if they don’t intend to get him in the rotation?  Maybe he looks worse than the Celtics thought when they acquired him and gets dumped instead, but I don’t see both him and Pritchard on the roster next year.  Just my feeling.

Going back to my original point, however, there is room on a 2-way next year for a young guy the Celtics sign at the end of this year.  An April signee need not be on the 15-man next year to be retained.

I agree...and this would be the more preferable scenario as a Celtics fan but PP would definitely be more attractive if we wanted to get someone good back (either as part of a package or by himself). Unless Jaden has a breakthrough offseason trading him would indeed be a dump. Plus next season PP's poison pill will have expired (I think).

Remember, if we're a second apron team next season, we can't aggregate salaries in trade, and we can't take back more than we send out.  As we saw with the TPE, there aren't a lot of quality players available in the $6m - $7 million price range.

For that reason, I don't see a Pritchard trade happening.

[Vermont Green]

I would be surprised if Pritchard is traded.  We'll see how things go the rest of the season and in the playoffs but he has been an extremely valuable and reliable bench player.  His contract is reasonable for a solid bench PG.  He is exactly the level of player and contract that the Celtics need moving forward.

As to Springer, I am not sure the Celtics are as worried about $4M as is being inferred here.  I would not be surprised if they keep both Pritchard and Springer.  Springer is a very good prospect and 3rd string guy, we'll see how he develops.  At some point, he could replace Pritchard, but I don't see it next season.  Springer is 5 years younger than Pritchard.

[ozgod]

Of the various options, I'd really like Patty Mills.  He's got a ring, he can add shooting in a "break glass" scenario, and he didn't complain about his role in Atlanta.

I suspect Brad will go with the 2024 equivalent of Champagnie, though. I think that's less useful this year, though, because we're going to have close to a full roster heading into next season, particularly when accounting for draft picks.  The chance of whoever we sign out of the G-league making the roster next season are very, very small.

What draft picks?  Like Brad is going to keep our first rounder…

I’d also note that someone could be signed to a deal for the last week this year, and then be retained as a 2-way player next year if he doesn’t have too much experience, although I question the premise that our roster is already full.

1.  Tatum
2.  Brown
3.  Porzingis
4.  White
5. Holiday
6. Horford
7. Hauser
8. Pritchard
9. Springer
10. Walsh

Those guys are all under contract.

11.  Brissett -- likely to come back on a player option
12.  Kornet -- likely to be retained as a free agent

13.  Tillman -- we'll see what his market is
14.  Davison or Queta

15.  Empty roster spot

That's assuming, as you do, that we're not keeping our #1.

It seems exceedingly unlikely that any "prospect" we sign the last week of the season is going to make the roster.

I don’t think Brissett is returning, personally.  I think he’ll look for somewhere with more playing time.  I also expect we only have one of Kornet and Tillman next year.

Lastly, and this is the big one, I think there’s a real chance Pritchard is moved because of Springer.  They aren’t going to keep around a $4 million 10th man given where they are in the tax/apron, and they didn’t trade for Springer not knowing what his salary was next year.  (Unless Holiday leaves, of course, but the point is there will be one fewer at that position next year).

Dumping Pritchard for a guy who can't shoot, dribble or pass would be a mistake. 

As for Brissett, I'm not sure that another team offers him a guaranteed contract.

I wouldn’t be a fan of it, personally, but given their known budget constraints, why would the Celtics send out a pick for a guy making $4 million next year if they don’t intend to get him in the rotation?  Maybe he looks worse than the Celtics thought when they acquired him and gets dumped instead, but I don’t see both him and Pritchard on the roster next year.  Just my feeling.

Going back to my original point, however, there is room on a 2-way next year for a young guy the Celtics sign at the end of this year.  An April signee need not be on the 15-man next year to be retained.

I agree...and this would be the more preferable scenario as a Celtics fan but PP would definitely be more attractive if we wanted to get someone good back (either as part of a package or by himself). Unless Jaden has a breakthrough offseason trading him would indeed be a dump. Plus next season PP's poison pill will have expired (I think).

Remember, if we're a second apron team next season, we can't aggregate salaries in trade, and we can't take back more than we send out.  As we saw with the TPE, there aren't a lot of quality players available in the $6m - $7 million price range.

For that reason, I don't see a Pritchard trade happening.

That's a good point, I forgot about that. So it would have to be like for like, and it's fair to say PP is outperforming his contract right now, while Springer is underperforming his, which would make trading either problematic. Not impossible but problematic to get a good deal. Springer seems the more likely to be traded if we give up a second rounder with him for enticement. Unless they know something we don't and PP has asked for a trade and they plan to accommodate him.