Trade ideas to build depth: Konchar, Carter, Achiuwa

[Vermont Green]

I am reviving this thread for entertainment during the long holiday period.

The hot name for the C's currently is Isaiah Stewart. Go google the chatter.

I would also throw out Kelly Olynyk. He could back up KP without a fundamental change in the offense (he's a stretch 5 like KP).

I like Stewart but I don’t see how they could get him. Was hoping they could snag him pre extension but might be too rich for the Cs to make a trade and then pay that salary. He’s going to get $16 mil a year for 4 years and for a team that just let G Williams go, I have a hard time believing they would trade assets AND pay that salary/luxury tax.

Yeah, Moranis did come up with a trade for Stewart, it was Pritchard and 4 other players to make it work. Stewart has a poison pill contract after signing an extension.  Very unlikely he is traded to anybody.  People need to let that go.  We all agree that he would be a great player to acquire but the mechanics of any trade are almost impossible (almost).

Achiuwa is not the player that Stewart appears to be but he is very tradable with his current contract.  He fits our TPE.  I could see Achiuwa being traded, depending on how TOR decides to go forward with their roster reconstruction.

[Moranis]

Yeah, you can get Stewart with Pritchard, Kornet, and the end of the bench guys. You can also use the TPE and get some of those end bench types back.

I'd probably do the trade and use 2 1st's if we got Sasser along with Stewart.

[RodyTur10]

Interesting that I read that many Pistons fans want Stewart out of their starting line-up, since he's a bad fit with his lack of shooting and skill.

[Greenblood35]

Yeah, you can get Stewart with Pritchard, Kornet, and the end of the bench guys. You can also use the TPE and get some of those end bench types back.

I'd probably do the trade and use 2 1st's if we got Sasser along with Stewart.

Not really interested in trading Pritchard. After a tough start, he's been playing a big role off the bench. I think his and Hauser's shooting are too important to give up for a big that probably won't play all that much if Kristaps and Horford are healthy in the playoffs.

[obnoxiousmime]

I'm hesitant on Achiuwa because the Raptors fans seem to hate him on reddit. Some common complaints are:

1. Low basketball IQ (by far the most common criticism)
2. Tries to do too much/not happy with limited offensive role (exacerbated by contract year)
3. Bad handle/hands leads to TOs/mishandled passes
4. Inconsistent commitment to rebounding/defense
5. Epitome of good athlete but not a basketball player cliche

And here's a meme that was posted just yesterday:



Certainly it's possible in a more disciplined, new environment maybe Achiuwa embraces that bench role and plays solid D, doesn't chase stats, and fits into the system better. However, the Celtics do need to consider the probability that an acquisition can fit in very quickly for a contending team. Achiuwa seems very risky from that perspective, feeling more like a project rather than a ready-to-play veteran.

[PAOBoston]

I'm hesitant on Achiuwa because the Raptors fans seem to hate him on reddit. Some common complaints are:

1. Low basketball IQ (by far the most common criticism)
2. Tries to do too much/not happy with limited offensive role (exacerbated by contract year)
3. Bad handle/hands leads to TOs/mishandled passes
4. Inconsistent commitment to rebounding/defense
5. Epitome of good athlete but not a basketball player cliche

And here's a meme that was posted just yesterday:



Certainly it's possible in a more disciplined, new environment maybe Achiuwa embraces that bench role and plays solid D, doesn't chase stats, and fits into the system better. However, the Celtics do need to consider the probability that an acquisition can fit in very quickly for a contending team. Achiuwa seems very risky from that perspective, feeling more like a project rather than a ready-to-play veteran.

The guy is trying to get a pay day so I don’t blame him in trying to get his stats. He’d also be like the 4th big off the bench basically here so not sure he’d be happy about his role the rest of the year too so he’d be a bad fit in Boston I’d think.

[Moranis]

Yeah, you can get Stewart with Pritchard, Kornet, and the end of the bench guys. You can also use the TPE and get some of those end bench types back.

I'd probably do the trade and use 2 1st's if we got Sasser along with Stewart.

Not really interested in trading Pritchard. After a tough start, he's been playing a big role off the bench. I think his and Hauser's shooting are too important to give up for a big that probably won't play all that much if Kristaps and Horford are healthy in the playoffs.

that is why you have to get Sasser back or it doesn't make sense. 

essentially the two trades are combined something like this

Stewart, Sasser, Livers, Umude for Pritchard, Kornet, Brisset, Svi, Stevens, Bos 24 1st, GS 1st (and maybe you protect the GS pick such that if it is in the lottery, you just trade the Bos 25 1st instead)

I'd probably do that as I think Sasser provides most of what Pritchard does right now (sasser is shooting 42.5% from 3 on 3 attempts, so he even does that better), but as a 1st round rookie you have 4 years of cheap control when you'd expect improvement such that I believe he will be a lot better than Pritchard over the next 4 years and is a lot cheaper.

So post trade

you essentially just swap Pritchard and Kornet for Sasser and Stewart.  That seems like a pretty solid upgrade in the short term with a lot more long-term potential.  Umude also seems like he could find a role in a shooting lineup situation as he has been money from deep this year at 51.9% (obviously not a huge sample, but just under 2 shots in 15 games isn't nothing either).

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Yeah, you can get Stewart with Pritchard, Kornet, and the end of the bench guys. You can also use the TPE and get some of those end bench types back.

I'd probably do the trade and use 2 1st's if we got Sasser along with Stewart.

Not really interested in trading Pritchard. After a tough start, he's been playing a big role off the bench. I think his and Hauser's shooting are too important to give up for a big that probably won't play all that much if Kristaps and Horford are healthy in the playoffs.

that is why you have to get Sasser back or it doesn't make sense. 

essentially the two trades are combined something like this

Stewart, Sasser, Livers, Umude for Pritchard, Kornet, Brisset, Svi, Stevens, Bos 24 1st, GS 1st (and maybe you protect the GS pick such that if it is in the lottery, you just trade the Bos 25 1st instead)

I'd probably do that as I think Sasser provides most of what Pritchard does right now (sasser is shooting 42.5% from 3 on 3 attempts, so he even does that better), but as a 1st round rookie you have 4 years of cheap control when you'd expect improvement such that I believe he will be a lot better than Pritchard over the next 4 years and is a lot cheaper.

So post trade

you essentially just swap Pritchard and Kornet for Sasser and Stewart.  That seems like a pretty solid upgrade in the short term with a lot more long-term potential.  Umude also seems like he could find a role in a shooting lineup situation as he has been money from deep this year at 51.9% (obviously not a huge sample, but just under 2 shots in 15 games isn't nothing either).

I like the trade, but I think the thought that a rookie point guard could replace Pritchard is a bit silly. Experience is a key factor. Pritchard has developed quite a bit.

You replace Pritchard with Holiday, White, Brown, and Tatum as primary ball-handlers, and Hauser and Svi as shooters.

[Phantom255x]

I love Stewart and think he'd be an awesome and needed Horford replacement a few years from now.

Unfortunately with the whole poison pill restriction, it probably is very unlikely. I know Moranis outlined a plan but I don't think it's worth giving up all that to make it happen. We might end up creating another hole with guard depth becoming very thin.

Achiuwa is an intriguing option. I just wonder if Toronto would be okay trading him to Boston

[Moranis]

Yeah, you can get Stewart with Pritchard, Kornet, and the end of the bench guys. You can also use the TPE and get some of those end bench types back.

I'd probably do the trade and use 2 1st's if we got Sasser along with Stewart.

Not really interested in trading Pritchard. After a tough start, he's been playing a big role off the bench. I think his and Hauser's shooting are too important to give up for a big that probably won't play all that much if Kristaps and Horford are healthy in the playoffs.

that is why you have to get Sasser back or it doesn't make sense. 

essentially the two trades are combined something like this

Stewart, Sasser, Livers, Umude for Pritchard, Kornet, Brisset, Svi, Stevens, Bos 24 1st, GS 1st (and maybe you protect the GS pick such that if it is in the lottery, you just trade the Bos 25 1st instead)

I'd probably do that as I think Sasser provides most of what Pritchard does right now (sasser is shooting 42.5% from 3 on 3 attempts, so he even does that better), but as a 1st round rookie you have 4 years of cheap control when you'd expect improvement such that I believe he will be a lot better than Pritchard over the next 4 years and is a lot cheaper.

So post trade

you essentially just swap Pritchard and Kornet for Sasser and Stewart.  That seems like a pretty solid upgrade in the short term with a lot more long-term potential.  Umude also seems like he could find a role in a shooting lineup situation as he has been money from deep this year at 51.9% (obviously not a huge sample, but just under 2 shots in 15 games isn't nothing either).

I like the trade, but I think the thought that a rookie point guard could replace Pritchard is a bit silly. Experience is a key factor. Pritchard has developed quite a bit.

You replace Pritchard with Holiday, White, Brown, and Tatum as primary ball-handlers, and Hauser and Svi as shooters.

Pritchard is barely going to play in the playoffs though anyway. And Sasser as a rookie on a bad team, plays less minutes, but scores more on significantly better shooting from every spot on the floor.  Better AST% as well.  He was also a 4 year starter in college so he isn't that raw. Pritchard is better right now, but at the 2 things you really want from a bench guard, Sasser does better.

[Surferdad]

Yeah, you can get Stewart with Pritchard, Kornet, and the end of the bench guys. You can also use the TPE and get some of those end bench types back.

I'd probably do the trade and use 2 1st's if we got Sasser along with Stewart.

Not really interested in trading Pritchard. After a tough start, he's been playing a big role off the bench. I think his and Hauser's shooting are too important to give up for a big that probably won't play all that much if Kristaps and Horford are healthy in the playoffs.

that is why you have to get Sasser back or it doesn't make sense. 

essentially the two trades are combined something like this

Stewart, Sasser, Livers, Umude for Pritchard, Kornet, Brisset, Svi, Stevens, Bos 24 1st, GS 1st (and maybe you protect the GS pick such that if it is in the lottery, you just trade the Bos 25 1st instead)

I'd probably do that as I think Sasser provides most of what Pritchard does right now (sasser is shooting 42.5% from 3 on 3 attempts, so he even does that better), but as a 1st round rookie you have 4 years of cheap control when you'd expect improvement such that I believe he will be a lot better than Pritchard over the next 4 years and is a lot cheaper.

So post trade

you essentially just swap Pritchard and Kornet for Sasser and Stewart.  That seems like a pretty solid upgrade in the short term with a lot more long-term potential.  Umude also seems like he could find a role in a shooting lineup situation as he has been money from deep this year at 51.9% (obviously not a huge sample, but just under 2 shots in 15 games isn't nothing either).

I like the trade, but I think the thought that a rookie point guard could replace Pritchard is a bit silly. Experience is a key factor. Pritchard has developed quite a bit.

You replace Pritchard with Holiday, White, Brown, and Tatum as primary ball-handlers, and Hauser and Svi as shooters.

Pritchard is barely going to play in the playoffs though anyway. And Sasser as a rookie on a bad team, plays less minutes, but scores more on significantly better shooting from every spot on the floor.  Better AST% as well.  He was also a 4 year starter in college so he isn't that raw. Pritchard is better right now, but at the 2 things you really want from a bench guard, Sasser does better.

I don't see how you reach that conclusion. He is currently 1st guard off the bench.

[Moranis]

Yeah, you can get Stewart with Pritchard, Kornet, and the end of the bench guys. You can also use the TPE and get some of those end bench types back.

I'd probably do the trade and use 2 1st's if we got Sasser along with Stewart.

Not really interested in trading Pritchard. After a tough start, he's been playing a big role off the bench. I think his and Hauser's shooting are too important to give up for a big that probably won't play all that much if Kristaps and Horford are healthy in the playoffs.

that is why you have to get Sasser back or it doesn't make sense. 

essentially the two trades are combined something like this

Stewart, Sasser, Livers, Umude for Pritchard, Kornet, Brisset, Svi, Stevens, Bos 24 1st, GS 1st (and maybe you protect the GS pick such that if it is in the lottery, you just trade the Bos 25 1st instead)

I'd probably do that as I think Sasser provides most of what Pritchard does right now (sasser is shooting 42.5% from 3 on 3 attempts, so he even does that better), but as a 1st round rookie you have 4 years of cheap control when you'd expect improvement such that I believe he will be a lot better than Pritchard over the next 4 years and is a lot cheaper.

So post trade

you essentially just swap Pritchard and Kornet for Sasser and Stewart.  That seems like a pretty solid upgrade in the short term with a lot more long-term potential.  Umude also seems like he could find a role in a shooting lineup situation as he has been money from deep this year at 51.9% (obviously not a huge sample, but just under 2 shots in 15 games isn't nothing either).

I like the trade, but I think the thought that a rookie point guard could replace Pritchard is a bit silly. Experience is a key factor. Pritchard has developed quite a bit.

You replace Pritchard with Holiday, White, Brown, and Tatum as primary ball-handlers, and Hauser and Svi as shooters.

Pritchard is barely going to play in the playoffs though anyway. And Sasser as a rookie on a bad team, plays less minutes, but scores more on significantly better shooting from every spot on the floor.  Better AST% as well.  He was also a 4 year starter in college so he isn't that raw. Pritchard is better right now, but at the 2 things you really want from a bench guard, Sasser does better.

I don't see how you reach that conclusion. He is currently 1st guard off the bench.

PG - Jrue 36, White 12
SG - White 26, Brown 22
SF - Brown 18, Tatum 20, Hauser 10
PF - Tatum 20, Zinger 28
C - Zinger 10, Horford 30, Kornet 8

Perfectly reasonable playoff rotation. Now Hauser or Kornet's minutes could go to PP or it could be matchup dependent, but I'm not expecting consistent minutes from him with playoff minutes from the top 6.

[Surferdad]

Yeah, you can get Stewart with Pritchard, Kornet, and the end of the bench guys. You can also use the TPE and get some of those end bench types back.

I'd probably do the trade and use 2 1st's if we got Sasser along with Stewart.

Not really interested in trading Pritchard. After a tough start, he's been playing a big role off the bench. I think his and Hauser's shooting are too important to give up for a big that probably won't play all that much if Kristaps and Horford are healthy in the playoffs.

that is why you have to get Sasser back or it doesn't make sense. 

essentially the two trades are combined something like this

Stewart, Sasser, Livers, Umude for Pritchard, Kornet, Brisset, Svi, Stevens, Bos 24 1st, GS 1st (and maybe you protect the GS pick such that if it is in the lottery, you just trade the Bos 25 1st instead)

I'd probably do that as I think Sasser provides most of what Pritchard does right now (sasser is shooting 42.5% from 3 on 3 attempts, so he even does that better), but as a 1st round rookie you have 4 years of cheap control when you'd expect improvement such that I believe he will be a lot better than Pritchard over the next 4 years and is a lot cheaper.

So post trade

you essentially just swap Pritchard and Kornet for Sasser and Stewart.  That seems like a pretty solid upgrade in the short term with a lot more long-term potential.  Umude also seems like he could find a role in a shooting lineup situation as he has been money from deep this year at 51.9% (obviously not a huge sample, but just under 2 shots in 15 games isn't nothing either).

I like the trade, but I think the thought that a rookie point guard could replace Pritchard is a bit silly. Experience is a key factor. Pritchard has developed quite a bit.

You replace Pritchard with Holiday, White, Brown, and Tatum as primary ball-handlers, and Hauser and Svi as shooters.

Pritchard is barely going to play in the playoffs though anyway. And Sasser as a rookie on a bad team, plays less minutes, but scores more on significantly better shooting from every spot on the floor.  Better AST% as well.  He was also a 4 year starter in college so he isn't that raw. Pritchard is better right now, but at the 2 things you really want from a bench guard, Sasser does better.

I don't see how you reach that conclusion. He is currently 1st guard off the bench.

PG - Jrue 36, White 12
SG - White 26, Brown 22
SF - Brown 18, Tatum 20, Hauser 10
PF - Tatum 20, Zinger 28
C - Zinger 10, Horford 30, Kornet 8

Perfectly reasonable playoff rotation. Now Hauser or Kornet's minutes could go to PP or it could be matchup dependent, but I'm not expecting consistent minutes from him with playoff minutes from the top 6.

So, you are giving Hauser/Kornet 18 mpg combined and none for Pritchard. I don’t see a good justification for that. I guess we just see this team differently.

[liam]

Cedi Osman could be a nice benchpiece for the title run. He fits the trade exception.

[Phantom255x]

Yeah, you can get Stewart with Pritchard, Kornet, and the end of the bench guys. You can also use the TPE and get some of those end bench types back.

I'd probably do the trade and use 2 1st's if we got Sasser along with Stewart.

Not really interested in trading Pritchard. After a tough start, he's been playing a big role off the bench. I think his and Hauser's shooting are too important to give up for a big that probably won't play all that much if Kristaps and Horford are healthy in the playoffs.

that is why you have to get Sasser back or it doesn't make sense. 

essentially the two trades are combined something like this

Stewart, Sasser, Livers, Umude for Pritchard, Kornet, Brisset, Svi, Stevens, Bos 24 1st, GS 1st (and maybe you protect the GS pick such that if it is in the lottery, you just trade the Bos 25 1st instead)

I'd probably do that as I think Sasser provides most of what Pritchard does right now (sasser is shooting 42.5% from 3 on 3 attempts, so he even does that better), but as a 1st round rookie you have 4 years of cheap control when you'd expect improvement such that I believe he will be a lot better than Pritchard over the next 4 years and is a lot cheaper.

So post trade

you essentially just swap Pritchard and Kornet for Sasser and Stewart.  That seems like a pretty solid upgrade in the short term with a lot more long-term potential.  Umude also seems like he could find a role in a shooting lineup situation as he has been money from deep this year at 51.9% (obviously not a huge sample, but just under 2 shots in 15 games isn't nothing either).

I like the trade, but I think the thought that a rookie point guard could replace Pritchard is a bit silly. Experience is a key factor. Pritchard has developed quite a bit.

You replace Pritchard with Holiday, White, Brown, and Tatum as primary ball-handlers, and Hauser and Svi as shooters.

Pritchard is barely going to play in the playoffs though anyway. And Sasser as a rookie on a bad team, plays less minutes, but scores more on significantly better shooting from every spot on the floor.  Better AST% as well.  He was also a 4 year starter in college so he isn't that raw. Pritchard is better right now, but at the 2 things you really want from a bench guard, Sasser does better.

I don't see how you reach that conclusion. He is currently 1st guard off the bench.

PG - Jrue 36, White 12
SG - White 26, Brown 22
SF - Brown 18, Tatum 20, Hauser 10
PF - Tatum 20, Zinger 28
C - Zinger 10, Horford 30, Kornet 8

Perfectly reasonable playoff rotation. Now Hauser or Kornet's minutes could go to PP or it could be matchup dependent, but I'm not expecting consistent minutes from him with playoff minutes from the top 6.

Pritchard was in a similar role during the 2021-2022 postseason run, and he averaged around 12 minutes a game. I agree he won't get 12 minutes a game but he might still be an 8-10 minute-consistent player. Sorry but if you're relying on Kornet for about 8 minutes a game against Giannis/Embiid/Turner/Bam you're toast lol