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Re: Celtics News
« Reply #2670 on: Yesterday at 11:05:39 AM »

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So, is this going to be Jayson Tatum's team again or is it Jaylen Brown's team?

The dumbest, laziest, most contrived argument in local basketball media.

Based on what I have seen over the past several seasons, Tatum has been, no doubt, the better player.  Brown is good too, Tatum is better.  Brown may be more vocal with teammates, or whatever, and that is fine.  I don't think Tatum cares.  Smart was that way too.

I expect a choppy period while Tatum gets his legs back under him, but I am not concerned that having one of the best players in the world, RETURN to a team that is already good, is going to some how be a problem.  A team that Tatum won a title on!

I am sure that all the NBA teams would like to have the problem of an all-world player returning to their team for the stretch run.

I think this year in particular, it's more of Jaylen Brown's team than Tatum since he won't be 100% physically, whether it's from shooting form but also in the endurance and game form. However, if Tatum can accept that, I think they'll both be very dangerous come playoff time.

Much less for Brown, the question I think is how will some of the role players role change and will they adapt quickly. When you are getting minutes, it's much easier to find your rhythm but with Tatum impacting that, will some of these guys still be effective at shorter bursts?

Like Jiri said, it?s Joes team. Not JB, not JT. Joe is deciding lineups and how many minutes guys play. He is coming up with schemes on offense and defense. If you want to talk about who should be the #1 option on offense, who should take the last shot, etc, fine. At the end of the day, Joe got everyone to buy in this season. It is his team.
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« Reply #2671 on: Yesterday at 11:07:37 AM »

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So, is this going to be Jayson Tatum's team again or is it Jaylen Brown's team?

The dumbest, laziest, most contrived argument in local basketball media.

Based on what I have seen over the past several seasons, Tatum has been, no doubt, the better player.  Brown is good too, Tatum is better.  Brown may be more vocal with teammates, or whatever, and that is fine.  I don't think Tatum cares.  Smart was that way too.

I expect a choppy period while Tatum gets his legs back under him, but I am not concerned that having one of the best players in the world, RETURN to a team that is already good, is going to some how be a problem.  A team that Tatum won a title on!

I am sure that all the NBA teams would like to have the problem of an all-world player returning to their team for the stretch run.

I think this year in particular, it's more of Jaylen Brown's team than Tatum since he won't be 100% physically, whether it's from shooting form but also in the endurance and game form. However, if Tatum can accept that, I think they'll both be very dangerous come playoff time.

Much less for Brown, the question I think is how will some of the role players role change and will they adapt quickly. When you are getting minutes, it's much easier to find your rhythm but with Tatum impacting that, will some of these guys still be effective at shorter bursts?

Tatum generally makes those around him better.  For example Derrick White.  I think White will be better, not worse, once Tatum is back, and back in the flow.  I am not worried in the least about Hauser or Pritchard or Queta either, I think they will all be better, not worse, once Tatum's gravity is back on the court.  They have played with him before, won titles.  The rest, guys like Scheierman and Hugo will just have to deal with it if their roles change/reduce.

The big question is Brown.  He might not get as many shots, but I am not worried about that and I don't think he is either.  The shots he does get should be better shots.

What exactly are people worried about that somehow the team will be worse off with Tatum?  I don't see it.

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« Reply #2672 on: Yesterday at 11:52:04 AM »

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So, is this going to be Jayson Tatum's team again or is it Jaylen Brown's team?

The dumbest, laziest, most contrived argument in local basketball media.

Based on what I have seen over the past several seasons, Tatum has been, no doubt, the better player.  Brown is good too, Tatum is better.  Brown may be more vocal with teammates, or whatever, and that is fine.  I don't think Tatum cares.  Smart was that way too.

I expect a choppy period while Tatum gets his legs back under him, but I am not concerned that having one of the best players in the world, RETURN to a team that is already good, is going to some how be a problem.  A team that Tatum won a title on!

I am sure that all the NBA teams would like to have the problem of an all-world player returning to their team for the stretch run.

I think this year in particular, it's more of Jaylen Brown's team than Tatum since he won't be 100% physically, whether it's from shooting form but also in the endurance and game form. However, if Tatum can accept that, I think they'll both be very dangerous come playoff time.

Much less for Brown, the question I think is how will some of the role players role change and will they adapt quickly. When you are getting minutes, it's much easier to find your rhythm but with Tatum impacting that, will some of these guys still be effective at shorter bursts?

Tatum generally makes those around him better.  For example Derrick White.  I think White will be better, not worse, once Tatum is back, and back in the flow.  I am not worried in the least about Hauser or Pritchard or Queta either, I think they will all be better, not worse, once Tatum's gravity is back on the court.  They have played with him before, won titles.  The rest, guys like Scheierman and Hugo will just have to deal with it if their roles change/reduce.

The big question is Brown.  He might not get as many shots, but I am not worried about that and I don't think he is either.  The shots he does get should be better shots.

What exactly are people worried about that somehow the team will be worse off with Tatum?  I don't see it.

The only concern I have is the ball getting stuck on JT.   C's have been moving the ball lately - moving it well!  Got to keep that going.

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« Reply #2673 on: Yesterday at 01:11:53 PM »

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So, is this going to be Jayson Tatum's team again or is it Jaylen Brown's team?

The dumbest, laziest, most contrived argument in local basketball media.

Based on what I have seen over the past several seasons, Tatum has been, no doubt, the better player.  Brown is good too, Tatum is better.  Brown may be more vocal with teammates, or whatever, and that is fine.  I don't think Tatum cares.  Smart was that way too.

I expect a choppy period while Tatum gets his legs back under him, but I am not concerned that having one of the best players in the world, RETURN to a team that is already good, is going to some how be a problem.  A team that Tatum won a title on!

I am sure that all the NBA teams would like to have the problem of an all-world player returning to their team for the stretch run.

I think this year in particular, it's more of Jaylen Brown's team than Tatum since he won't be 100% physically, whether it's from shooting form but also in the endurance and game form. However, if Tatum can accept that, I think they'll both be very dangerous come playoff time.

Much less for Brown, the question I think is how will some of the role players role change and will they adapt quickly. When you are getting minutes, it's much easier to find your rhythm but with Tatum impacting that, will some of these guys still be effective at shorter bursts?

Tatum generally makes those around him better.  For example Derrick White.  I think White will be better, not worse, once Tatum is back, and back in the flow.  I am not worried in the least about Hauser or Pritchard or Queta either, I think they will all be better, not worse, once Tatum's gravity is back on the court.  They have played with him before, won titles.  The rest, guys like Scheierman and Hugo will just have to deal with it if their roles change/reduce.

The big question is Brown.  He might not get as many shots, but I am not worried about that and I don't think he is either.  The shots he does get should be better shots.

What exactly are people worried about that somehow the team will be worse off with Tatum?  I don't see it.

The only concern I have is the ball getting stuck on JT.   C's have been moving the ball lately - moving it well!  Got to keep that going.

While I agree with you, Tatum has shown that he is an excellent passer.

In last year's playoffs a few games I'd look at halftime and he'd have eight assists already.

If he can keep that mentality, and not hold on to it when there are :07 left for an ISO jumper, then I'll be happy. 

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« Reply #2674 on: Yesterday at 01:35:41 PM »

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So, is this going to be Jayson Tatum's team again or is it Jaylen Brown's team?

The dumbest, laziest, most contrived argument in local basketball media.

Based on what I have seen over the past several seasons, Tatum has been, no doubt, the better player.  Brown is good too, Tatum is better.  Brown may be more vocal with teammates, or whatever, and that is fine.  I don't think Tatum cares.  Smart was that way too.

I expect a choppy period while Tatum gets his legs back under him, but I am not concerned that having one of the best players in the world, RETURN to a team that is already good, is going to some how be a problem.  A team that Tatum won a title on!

I am sure that all the NBA teams would like to have the problem of an all-world player returning to their team for the stretch run.

I think this year in particular, it's more of Jaylen Brown's team than Tatum since he won't be 100% physically, whether it's from shooting form but also in the endurance and game form. However, if Tatum can accept that, I think they'll both be very dangerous come playoff time.

Much less for Brown, the question I think is how will some of the role players role change and will they adapt quickly. When you are getting minutes, it's much easier to find your rhythm but with Tatum impacting that, will some of these guys still be effective at shorter bursts?

Tatum generally makes those around him better.  For example Derrick White.  I think White will be better, not worse, once Tatum is back, and back in the flow.  I am not worried in the least about Hauser or Pritchard or Queta either, I think they will all be better, not worse, once Tatum's gravity is back on the court.  They have played with him before, won titles.  The rest, guys like Scheierman and Hugo will just have to deal with it if their roles change/reduce.

The big question is Brown.  He might not get as many shots, but I am not worried about that and I don't think he is either.  The shots he does get should be better shots.

What exactly are people worried about that somehow the team will be worse off with Tatum?  I don't see it.

The only concern I have is the ball getting stuck on JT.   C's have been moving the ball lately - moving it well!  Got to keep that going.

While I agree with you, Tatum has shown that he is an excellent passer.

In last year's playoffs a few games I'd look at halftime and he'd have eight assists already.

If he can keep that mentality, and not hold on to it when there are :07 left for an ISO jumper, then I'll be happy.

He can, just hope he does.  And hope that having him on the court won't change the mentality of others. 

I've been really impressed with the ball movement recently - even though at times DW, PP, and JB take it to the lane and work the play in isolation.  Having that ability - as they do and JT does - is a great asset, made even greater when there is a threat to pass out of it.  It's the over-dribbling with everyone in the arena knowing your going to shoot it - and most likely long range - that makes me crazy.     

Re: Celtics News
« Reply #2675 on: Yesterday at 02:13:14 PM »

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So, is this going to be Jayson Tatum's team again or is it Jaylen Brown's team?

The dumbest, laziest, most contrived argument in local basketball media.

Based on what I have seen over the past several seasons, Tatum has been, no doubt, the better player.  Brown is good too, Tatum is better.  Brown may be more vocal with teammates, or whatever, and that is fine.  I don't think Tatum cares.  Smart was that way too.

I expect a choppy period while Tatum gets his legs back under him, but I am not concerned that having one of the best players in the world, RETURN to a team that is already good, is going to some how be a problem.  A team that Tatum won a title on!

I am sure that all the NBA teams would like to have the problem of an all-world player returning to their team for the stretch run.

I think this year in particular, it's more of Jaylen Brown's team than Tatum since he won't be 100% physically, whether it's from shooting form but also in the endurance and game form. However, if Tatum can accept that, I think they'll both be very dangerous come playoff time.

Much less for Brown, the question I think is how will some of the role players role change and will they adapt quickly. When you are getting minutes, it's much easier to find your rhythm but with Tatum impacting that, will some of these guys still be effective at shorter bursts?

Tatum generally makes those around him better.  For example Derrick White.  I think White will be better, not worse, once Tatum is back, and back in the flow.  I am not worried in the least about Hauser or Pritchard or Queta either, I think they will all be better, not worse, once Tatum's gravity is back on the court.  They have played with him before, won titles.  The rest, guys like Scheierman and Hugo will just have to deal with it if their roles change/reduce.

The big question is Brown.  He might not get as many shots, but I am not worried about that and I don't think he is either.  The shots he does get should be better shots.

What exactly are people worried about that somehow the team will be worse off with Tatum?  I don't see it.

The only concern I have is the ball getting stuck on JT.   C's have been moving the ball lately - moving it well!  Got to keep that going.

But you?re not worried about the ball getting stuck in JBs hand? Believe Brown has the second highest usage rate in the NBA.
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Re: Celtics News
« Reply #2676 on: Yesterday at 02:44:41 PM »

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So, is this going to be Jayson Tatum's team again or is it Jaylen Brown's team?

The dumbest, laziest, most contrived argument in local basketball media.

Based on what I have seen over the past several seasons, Tatum has been, no doubt, the better player.  Brown is good too, Tatum is better.  Brown may be more vocal with teammates, or whatever, and that is fine.  I don't think Tatum cares.  Smart was that way too.

I expect a choppy period while Tatum gets his legs back under him, but I am not concerned that having one of the best players in the world, RETURN to a team that is already good, is going to some how be a problem.  A team that Tatum won a title on!

I am sure that all the NBA teams would like to have the problem of an all-world player returning to their team for the stretch run.

I think this year in particular, it's more of Jaylen Brown's team than Tatum since he won't be 100% physically, whether it's from shooting form but also in the endurance and game form. However, if Tatum can accept that, I think they'll both be very dangerous come playoff time.

Much less for Brown, the question I think is how will some of the role players role change and will they adapt quickly. When you are getting minutes, it's much easier to find your rhythm but with Tatum impacting that, will some of these guys still be effective at shorter bursts?

Tatum generally makes those around him better.  For example Derrick White.  I think White will be better, not worse, once Tatum is back, and back in the flow.  I am not worried in the least about Hauser or Pritchard or Queta either, I think they will all be better, not worse, once Tatum's gravity is back on the court.  They have played with him before, won titles.  The rest, guys like Scheierman and Hugo will just have to deal with it if their roles change/reduce.

The big question is Brown.  He might not get as many shots, but I am not worried about that and I don't think he is either.  The shots he does get should be better shots.

What exactly are people worried about that somehow the team will be worse off with Tatum?  I don't see it.

The only concern I have is the ball getting stuck on JT.   C's have been moving the ball lately - moving it well!  Got to keep that going.

But you?re not worried about the ball getting stuck in JBs hand? Believe Brown has the second highest usage rate in the NBA.

Idk whether his usage rate has gone down lately, but my eyes tell me the team?s been moving the ball better.  I don?t see many perimeter-dwelling ISO step-back threes from JB.

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« Reply #2677 on: Yesterday at 03:15:53 PM »

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So, is this going to be Jayson Tatum's team again or is it Jaylen Brown's team?

The dumbest, laziest, most contrived argument in local basketball media.

Based on what I have seen over the past several seasons, Tatum has been, no doubt, the better player.  Brown is good too, Tatum is better.  Brown may be more vocal with teammates, or whatever, and that is fine.  I don't think Tatum cares.  Smart was that way too.

I expect a choppy period while Tatum gets his legs back under him, but I am not concerned that having one of the best players in the world, RETURN to a team that is already good, is going to some how be a problem.  A team that Tatum won a title on!

I am sure that all the NBA teams would like to have the problem of an all-world player returning to their team for the stretch run.

I think this year in particular, it's more of Jaylen Brown's team than Tatum since he won't be 100% physically, whether it's from shooting form but also in the endurance and game form. However, if Tatum can accept that, I think they'll both be very dangerous come playoff time.

Much less for Brown, the question I think is how will some of the role players role change and will they adapt quickly. When you are getting minutes, it's much easier to find your rhythm but with Tatum impacting that, will some of these guys still be effective at shorter bursts?

Tatum generally makes those around him better.  For example Derrick White.  I think White will be better, not worse, once Tatum is back, and back in the flow.  I am not worried in the least about Hauser or Pritchard or Queta either, I think they will all be better, not worse, once Tatum's gravity is back on the court.  They have played with him before, won titles.  The rest, guys like Scheierman and Hugo will just have to deal with it if their roles change/reduce.

The big question is Brown.  He might not get as many shots, but I am not worried about that and I don't think he is either.  The shots he does get should be better shots.

What exactly are people worried about that somehow the team will be worse off with Tatum?  I don't see it.

The only concern I have is the ball getting stuck on JT.   C's have been moving the ball lately - moving it well!  Got to keep that going.

But you?re not worried about the ball getting stuck in JBs hand? Believe Brown has the second highest usage rate in the NBA.

Idk whether his usage rate has gone down lately, but my eyes tell me the team?s been moving the ball better.  I don?t see many perimeter-dwelling ISO step-back threes from JB.

I think for me it is about having two guys who can be ball stoppers at times.  With that being said, come playoff time the ball movement can only get you so far.  You need stars to be able to attack matchups and we no doubt need Tatum for that.

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« Reply #2678 on: Yesterday at 04:12:59 PM »

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So, is this going to be Jayson Tatum's team again or is it Jaylen Brown's team?

The dumbest, laziest, most contrived argument in local basketball media.

Based on what I have seen over the past several seasons, Tatum has been, no doubt, the better player.  Brown is good too, Tatum is better.  Brown may be more vocal with teammates, or whatever, and that is fine.  I don't think Tatum cares.  Smart was that way too.

I expect a choppy period while Tatum gets his legs back under him, but I am not concerned that having one of the best players in the world, RETURN to a team that is already good, is going to some how be a problem.  A team that Tatum won a title on!

I am sure that all the NBA teams would like to have the problem of an all-world player returning to their team for the stretch run.

I think this year in particular, it's more of Jaylen Brown's team than Tatum since he won't be 100% physically, whether it's from shooting form but also in the endurance and game form. However, if Tatum can accept that, I think they'll both be very dangerous come playoff time.

Much less for Brown, the question I think is how will some of the role players role change and will they adapt quickly. When you are getting minutes, it's much easier to find your rhythm but with Tatum impacting that, will some of these guys still be effective at shorter bursts?

Tatum generally makes those around him better.  For example Derrick White.  I think White will be better, not worse, once Tatum is back, and back in the flow.  I am not worried in the least about Hauser or Pritchard or Queta either, I think they will all be better, not worse, once Tatum's gravity is back on the court.  They have played with him before, won titles.  The rest, guys like Scheierman and Hugo will just have to deal with it if their roles change/reduce.

The big question is Brown.  He might not get as many shots, but I am not worried about that and I don't think he is either.  The shots he does get should be better shots.

What exactly are people worried about that somehow the team will be worse off with Tatum?  I don't see it.

The only concern I have is the ball getting stuck on JT.   C's have been moving the ball lately - moving it well!  Got to keep that going.

But you?re not worried about the ball getting stuck in JBs hand? Believe Brown has the second highest usage rate in the NBA.

Idk whether his usage rate has gone down lately, but my eyes tell me the team?s been moving the ball better.  I don?t see many perimeter-dwelling ISO step-back threes from JB.

For whatever it's worth, we've averaged 1.4 fewer assists per 100 possessions this year, dropping from 12th in the NBA last season to 20th this year.  The total offense has been almost exactly the same (0.1 more points per 100 possessions last year).

45.8% of our 2PTs are assisted; 78.6% of our 3PTs are.  Last year it was 50.5% of 2PTs and 79.4% of 3PTs.

So, if "assists / assist percentage" is used as a proxy for "ball movement", there's no evidence we've been better this year.


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« Reply #2679 on: Yesterday at 05:02:02 PM »

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Tatum was medically cleared to practice in early February and cleared to play at the end of the month, but it took longer for him to feel psychologically ready, he says. The way he feels now is "night and day" compared to the beginning of the season, "and physically you're clear, you can do all the things," he says. "But it's a long time that I haven't competed or played in a game. That mental hurdle is a real thing."

Will he be the same Jayson Tatum who was a six-time NBA All-Star and who led his team to a championship in 2024? "I understand the magnitude of the injury that I had, and it's not like the first day I step on the court that I'm going to be who I was in the playoffs last year," he says. "I understand there's going to be a grace period or progression. I want to feel like wherever I start, I'm trending upward to get back to who I was. And I have no doubt that is possible."
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« Reply #2680 on: Yesterday at 09:16:34 PM »

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Vuc to have surgery on his broken ring finger tomorrow.  He'll be out for one month.


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Vuc to have surgery on his broken ring finger tomorrow.  He'll be out for one month.

Baylor should just do the same. Playoffs are still 6+ weeks away when you factor in the additional 1 week of play-in games
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« Reply #2682 on: Yesterday at 10:27:56 PM »

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Vuc to have surgery on his broken ring finger tomorrow.  He'll be out for one month.

If he comes back in a month, there will be 4 games left until the playoffs.
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« Reply #2683 on: Yesterday at 10:40:55 PM »

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Vuc to have surgery on his broken ring finger tomorrow.  He'll be out for one month.

If he comes back in a month, there will be 4 games left until the playoffs.

Not ideal for a guy who is still settling in.

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« Reply #2684 on: Yesterday at 10:42:59 PM »

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Vuc to have surgery on his broken ring finger tomorrow.  He'll be out for one month.

Baylor should just do the same. Playoffs are still 6+ weeks away when you factor in the additional 1 week of play-in games

I assumed Baylor did not have a displaced fracture and thus surgery is not necessary.  Do I have his injury incorrect?