Does Brad suck at free agency?

[footey]

He attracted Schroeder, Griffin and Gallinari in his two previous off-seasons. I’d argue that these are not scrubs. I wish we could get more bargain FAs, but I don’t think it has been as bad as portrayed. I rather wish Celtics used last years TPE and/or Gallo’s injury exception, because they might have contributed towards a ring.

Schroeder signed because we were the only decent playoff team with the MLE left that also had a rotation spot available at PG.

Attracting Blake Griffin late in the summer isn't a positive.

Gallo seemed like a good signing, but our competition was the Bulls.  We passed over better, cheaper fits like Bruce Brown, who ended up being much more useful.

The best part about the Schroeder and Gallo signings turned out to be their moveable contracts.

Don't recall reading that Bruce Brown wanted to sign here last off-season but was rebuffed by Celtics in favor off Gallo.  Positionally Gallo signing made more sense, especially given the added big guard depth from Brogdon trade.  Brad decided we needed another rotational big guy much more than 6'4" Bruce Brown, assuming that Brown was even willing to sign here.   

If Gallo didn't sign his knee, and Brogdon doesn't tear his tendon, do the Celtics get past the Heat and compete for a championship v. Nuggets?  We will never know.  Bad luck, just as signing Gordon Hayward was.  It stinks, but such is life. 

[Moranis]

Brad's big moves have been trades leaving basically no money to sign anyone because despite what Wyc says, the team clearly does not have an unlimited budget.

Doesn't have anything to do with Money. Milwaukee and these other teams signing actual NBA players on vet minimums to round out the bench.

Brad signing G-leaguers. Now, we are talking end of the bench. so there is a chance these guys are just waiving towels. BUT still...

of course it has to do with money. Younger guys are cheaper, cheaper saves lots of tax and avoids 2nd apron.

[Roy H.]

Brad's big moves have been trades leaving basically no money to sign anyone because despite what Wyc says, the team clearly does not have an unlimited budget.

Doesn't have anything to do with Money. Milwaukee and these other teams signing actual NBA players on vet minimums to round out the bench.

Brad signing G-leaguers. Now, we are talking end of the bench. so there is a chance these guys are just waiving towels. BUT still...

of course it has to do with money. Younger guys are cheaper, cheaper saves lots of tax and avoids 2nd apron.

Brissett is actually more expensive than any of the one year vet minimum deals, and Banton makes the same.

[green_bballers13]

To the OP: who has Brad missed out on that would have made a difference in the past?

also

Who is out there right now (on short money) that would push the needle?

I would give him an incomplete so far as there haven't been big signings under Brad. The trades have been impactful, however.

[obnoxiousmime]

It's a fair discussion to have but you can't go overboard. Bruce Brown was great, but he was also playing with little pressure and around two great passers. He wouldn't have been the same on our team.

Ultimately we had a lot of much bigger problems in the Heat series outside of the performance of our role guys.

[gouki88]

His hands are tied, I see us adding around the peripheral edges of the team.  We won't and don't cash to splurge on big free agents.  I think this is more about finance than anything.

It's not, though, because there are a bunch of useful guys taking the minimum.

They have to choose to come here.

They have to be offered a deal first.  Otherwise, it's odd that Danny Ainge could always attract free agents to Boston, but Brad can only sign dumpster dives who are fringe NBA players.

If free agents don't want to come here all of a sudden, then Brad needs to change his pitch.  But, I think it's just that he chooses to pursue docile crap players.  Heck, Danny Green reported that last year he wanted to sign in Boston, and Brad ghosted him.

And, I don't buy that Boston is a uniquely deep team, when we're likely to lose Grant Williams.  We couldn't get Torey Craig to sign here over Chicago to fill that potential void?

Was that the wrong move?

[Moranis]

Brad's big moves have been trades leaving basically no money to sign anyone because despite what Wyc says, the team clearly does not have an unlimited budget.

Doesn't have anything to do with Money. Milwaukee and these other teams signing actual NBA players on vet minimums to round out the bench.

Brad signing G-leaguers. Now, we are talking end of the bench. so there is a chance these guys are just waiving towels. BUT still...

of course it has to do with money. Younger guys are cheaper, cheaper saves lots of tax and avoids 2nd apron.

Brissett is actually more expensive than any of the one year vet minimum deals, and Banton makes the same.

banton signed for just over 2 million.  Brisset was 2.1 million.  That is well below the top level.  For example, Beasley's vet minimum with the Bucks is 2.7 and a 10 year vet is 3.1 million.  Plus, by signing both to 2 year deals, they save a ton of money next year.  Look at Kornet, as an example.


Here is a link thst shows an estimate of the pay scale

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/08/early-nba-minimum-salary-projections-for-2023-24.html#:~:text=Based%20on%20the%20current%202023%2F24%20cap%20estimate%2C%20next,service%20will%20surpass%20%243MM%20for%20the%20first%20time.

Signing guys early in their career saves a bunch of money

[Roy H.]

Brad's big moves have been trades leaving basically no money to sign anyone because despite what Wyc says, the team clearly does not have an unlimited budget.

Doesn't have anything to do with Money. Milwaukee and these other teams signing actual NBA players on vet minimums to round out the bench.

Brad signing G-leaguers. Now, we are talking end of the bench. so there is a chance these guys are just waiving towels. BUT still...

of course it has to do with money. Younger guys are cheaper, cheaper saves lots of tax and avoids 2nd apron.

Brissett is actually more expensive than any of the one year vet minimum deals, and Banton makes the same.

banton signed for just over 2 million.  Brisset was 2.1 million.  That is well below the top level.  For example, Beasley's vet minimum with the Bucks is 2.7 and a 10 year vet is 3.1 million.  Plus, by signing both to 2 year deals, they save a ton of money next year.  Look at Kornet, as an example.


Here is a link thst shows an estimate of the pay scale

https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/08/early-nba-minimum-salary-projections-for-2023-24.html#:~:text=Based%20on%20the%20current%202023%2F24%20cap%20estimate%2C%20next,service%20will%20surpass%20%243MM%20for%20the%20first%20time.

Signing guys early in their career saves a bunch of money

For one year minimum deals, teams only pay the rate of the vet minimum with guys with two years experience.  The league subsidizes the rest.  That's been the case for well over a decade.  Only the subsidized amount counts against the tax.

[obnoxiousmime]

His hands are tied, I see us adding around the peripheral edges of the team.  We won't and don't cash to splurge on big free agents.  I think this is more about finance than anything.

It's not, though, because there are a bunch of useful guys taking the minimum.

They have to choose to come here.

They have to be offered a deal first.  Otherwise, it's odd that Danny Ainge could always attract free agents to Boston, but Brad can only sign dumpster dives who are fringe NBA players.

If free agents don't want to come here all of a sudden, then Brad needs to change his pitch.  But, I think it's just that he chooses to pursue docile crap players.  Heck, Danny Green reported that last year he wanted to sign in Boston, and Brad ghosted him.

And, I don't buy that Boston is a uniquely deep team, when we're likely to lose Grant Williams.  We couldn't get Torey Craig to sign here over Chicago to fill that potential void?

I don't think the team's leadership is strong enough for Stevens to feel comfortable signing guys who want larger roles than they're given. The Lakers can sign a guy like Cam Reddish because LeBron is on the team and Darvin Ham is no-nonsense guy. Joe couldn't even control Grant Williams improvising and trying to do too much to prove his value in free agency.

You can tell how worried they are about it when you hear stories about the recruitment of guys coming in. It really feels like they're all told that they need to accept a role deferential to Jaylen and Jayson (Schroder, Kemba, Porzingis, etc.), otherwise things aren't going to work. I have a hard time believing other teams with clearly established hierarchies even need to bring that up.

If Ime were still here, he'd probably have some juice to take on hard-headed, stubborn players. Joe just doesn't really have that cachet yet. Joe can't even handle the media without getting flustered and defensive. BOO! It's Gary Washburn! Oh no!

[mobilija]

JRich Choosing elsewhere....Beverly choosing elsewhere for less....hmmm, maybe Brad doesn't suck at free agency?

Must be something else....maybe players don't wanna play for fans that suck at being supportive and level headed?

[Roy H.]

JRich Choosing elsewhere....Beverly choosing elsewhere for less....hmmm, maybe Brad doesn't suck at free agency?

Must be something else....maybe players don't wanna play for fans that suck at being supportive and level headed?

What fanbase has universally supportive and level-headed fans?

And, have those fans changed a lot since Danny was here?  He seemed to attract a lot of vet free agents, for the minimum or otherwise.

[RJ87]

I said this in another thread and I'll repeat it here:

Our top 7 are pretty much set in some order: White/Brown/JT/KP/Rob/Al/Brogdon... We're not offering guys a ton of money and a 7th/8th man role at best. It's just not as attractive as some of y'all think it is.

A guy like JRich took a minimum, but he's going to start in Miami and it's where he started his career. Eric Gordon is going to be the 1st guard off the bench in Phoenix.

Without a clearly defined role, we don't have the $ to be interesting. To date, one player has signed for the taxpayer MLE this offseason: Reggie Jackson in Denver. A lot of guys have been able to get slightly more because teams can divvy up the NTPMLE.

[Roy H.]

I said this in another thread and I'll repeat it here:

Our top 7 are pretty much set in some order: White/Brown/JT/KP/Rob/Al/Brogdon... We're not offering guys a ton of money and a 7th/8th man role at best. It's just not as attractive as some of y'all think it is.

A guy like JRich took a minimum, but he's going to start in Miami and it's where he started his career. Eric Gordon is going to be the 1st guard off the bench in Phoenix.

Without a clearly defined role, we don't have the $ to be interesting. To date, one player has signed for the non-taxpayer MLE this offseason: Reggie Jackson in Denver. A lot of guys have been able to get slightly more because teams can divvy up the TPMLE.

Are guys taking the vet minimum generally asking for more than the 8th spot in the rotation, though? 

Other teams are bound by the same constrictions we are, but they're filling the latter part of their rotation with solid-to-good players, and we aren't.

[Kuberski33]

JRich Choosing elsewhere....Beverly choosing elsewhere for less....hmmm, maybe Brad doesn't suck at free agency?

Must be something else....maybe players don't wanna play for fans that suck at being supportive and level headed?

Beverly wasn't against coming here. Last season in one of his podcasts he mentioned that he really liked what the C's were doing offensively with their actions off the ball - Joe being the coach.

[Celtics4ever]

It did not help us when Bobby Manning and Joe Sway came out with their Marcus report right before free agency stating the C's never called Marcus and he thought he was safe.  This happened right before or during free agency and I realized that they were tying to break a story but people hear this stuff and are affected by it.   Now Gallo is saying he was surprised and people already thought we did IT wrong.  I am afraid this stuff coupled with the racist past reputation  haunts us during free agency.

Now, I know. we had the first Afro-American player and head coach but do  modern players....

You never hear people talking about Atlanta's history in the civil war when it comes to players but our past is always brought it.  I know it is more recent but the  Abolition Movement had it origins in New England.

I also think Brad is paralyzed his need for good character guys who fit out culture over good players if that makes sense.