Does Brad suck at free agency?

[cman88]

Brad seems to think signing legit nba players for the bench will somehow disrupt things within the team.

Unfortunately if grant leaves the bench is mighty with guys who you can actually play.

Kornet, Banton, Brisset, Hauser and Walsh won’t even be looked at when the playoffs get here.

That leaves Rob, brogdan and absolutely no wings left to fill the void.

exactly. I'm not saying someone like Josh Richardson or Patrick beverly would necessarily see the floor much with our rotation. But They are NBA quality players who if you needed to could throw into a game or even a playoff game if you had to.

Banton/Brissett wont ever see the floor. nor should you trust them to. I hope Blake Griffin can come back. I think especially if Grant leaves he is a guy you can throw on the floor for 15 minutes a game or so.

[gouki88]

Brad seems to think signing legit nba players for the bench will somehow disrupt things within the team.

Unfortunately if grant leaves the bench is mighty with guys who you can actually play.

Kornet, Banton, Brisset, Hauser and Walsh won’t even be looked at when the playoffs get here.

That leaves Rob, brogdan and absolutely no wings left to fill the void.

exactly. I'm not saying someone like Josh Richardson or Patrick beverly would necessarily see the floor much with our rotation. But They are NBA quality players who if you needed to could throw into a game or even a playoff game if you had to.

Banton/Brissett wont ever see the floor. nor should you trust them to. I hope Blake Griffin can come back. I think especially if Grant leaves he is a guy you can throw on the floor for 15 minutes a game or so.

I’m not sure how Brissett is any less trustworthy than Blake

[celticinorlando]

Brad seems to think signing legit nba players for the bench will somehow disrupt things within the team.

Unfortunately if grant leaves the bench is mighty with guys who you can actually play.

Kornet, Banton, Brisset, Hauser and Walsh won’t even be looked at when the playoffs get here.

That leaves Rob, brogdan and absolutely no wings left to fill the void.

exactly. I'm not saying someone like Josh Richardson or Patrick beverly would necessarily see the floor much with our rotation. But They are NBA quality players who if you needed to could throw into a game or even a playoff game if you had to.

Banton/Brissett wont ever see the floor. nor should you trust them to. I hope Blake Griffin can come back. I think especially if Grant leaves he is a guy you can throw on the floor for 15 minutes a game or so.

I’m not sure how Brissett is any less trustworthy than Blake

I think the difference is Brissett is going to have to play if they lose grant. Is he trustworthy enough to be a rotation player? I’m not sure based on who is was in Indiana….especially on a championship team

[Celtics2021]

Brad seems to think signing legit nba players for the bench will somehow disrupt things within the team.

Unfortunately if grant leaves the bench is mighty with guys who you can actually play.

Kornet, Banton, Brisset, Hauser and Walsh won’t even be looked at when the playoffs get here.

That leaves Rob, brogdan and absolutely no wings left to fill the void.

exactly. I'm not saying someone like Josh Richardson or Patrick beverly would necessarily see the floor much with our rotation. But They are NBA quality players who if you needed to could throw into a game or even a playoff game if you had to.

Banton/Brissett wont ever see the floor. nor should you trust them to. I hope Blake Griffin can come back. I think especially if Grant leaves he is a guy you can throw on the floor for 15 minutes a game or so.

I’m not sure how Brissett is any less trustworthy than Blake

I think the difference is Brissett is going to have to play if they lose grant. Is he trustworthy enough to be a rotation player? I’m not sure based on who is was in Indiana….especially on a championship team

TJ Warren is still looking for a team.  Maybe another year removed from his injury he can be useful?

[BitterJim]

Brad's big moves have been trades leaving basically no money to sign anyone because despite what Wyc says, the team clearly does not have an unlimited budget.

Doesn't have anything to do with Money. Milwaukee and these other teams signing actual NBA players on vet minimums to round out the bench.

Brad signing G-leaguers. Now, we are talking end of the bench. so there is a chance these guys are just waiving towels. BUT still...

Milwaukee doesn't have money, but they do have minutes. If another team had signed Grant and we had traded away Brogdan for non-rotation players, we would be in the running for guys like Martin too. But no one is gonna come get payed the minimum to ride the bench if they can get more money or more opportunities elsewhere. Our best bet is grabbing one or two guys that fall through the cracks this week and are can't afford to be as picky

[Roy H.]

Brad's big moves have been trades leaving basically no money to sign anyone because despite what Wyc says, the team clearly does not have an unlimited budget.

Doesn't have anything to do with Money. Milwaukee and these other teams signing actual NBA players on vet minimums to round out the bench.

Brad signing G-leaguers. Now, we are talking end of the bench. so there is a chance these guys are just waiving towels. BUT still...

Milwaukee doesn't have money, but they do have minutes. If another team had signed Grant and we had traded away Brogdan for non-rotation players, we would be in the running for guys like Martin too. But no one is gonna come get payed the minimum to ride the bench if they can get more money or more opportunities elsewhere. Our best bet is grabbing one or two guys that fall through the cracks this week and are can't afford to be as picky

This is what I wrote to wdleehi:

Right now we have seven established vets under contract who have proven themselves as reliable NBA players:

KP, Tatum, Brown, Timelord, Horford, White, Brogdon

After that, there's a bunch of guys who weren't trusted enough to play much in the playoffs:

Hauser, Pritchard, Kornet, Champagnie

And the news guys, who aren't clear rotation plays:

Brissett, Banton

Is the argument that there wasn't a single free agent who would have challenged players outside the top-7 for playing team?  As for "which players are likely to miss time", pretty much everybody in our rotation other than Tatum and White.

I think our depth has taken a hit as of now, and there should be opportunities for outside players.

[celticinorlando]

I think there are minutes at the back up wing and power forward to be had.

Nobody should be afraid to compete with Sam Hauser. And if grant goes, there is a clear need off of the bench at the 4.

That doesn’t even factor in a back up pG because we know brogdan will be hurt.

There are minutes to be had off the bench.

[Roy H.]

I think there are minutes at the back up wing and power forward to be had.

Nobody should be afraid to compete with Sam Hauser. And if grant goes, there is a clear need off of the bench at the 4.

That doesn’t even factor in a back up pG because we know brogdan will be hurt.

There are minutes to be had off the bench.

And since Timelord, KP and Brogdon are made of glass and Horford is old, I can't imagine any agent or player should be worried about being glued to the bench.

[GreenEnvy]

I think there are minutes at the back up wing and power forward to be had.

Nobody should be afraid to compete with Sam Hauser. And if grant goes, there is a clear need off of the bench at the 4.

That doesn’t even factor in a back up pG because we know brogdan will be hurt.

There are minutes to be had off the bench.

I’m not particularly worried about PF. We know Tatum will play some of his minutes there. Horford and Porzingis both can play alongside Timelord. Honestly, if Grant was to return, we probably have a logjam. Out best bet is to use him in a S&T for a backup wing or PG.

[action781]

Our 3rd stringers so far this season are:

G: JD Davison
G: Jordan Walsh
F: Oshae Brisset
F: Dalano Banton
C: Luke Kornet

Who there do we trust in a playoff game? Do we trust any of those 5 guys in a playoff game?

Are there any third stringers out there who are meant to be trusted in a playoff game?  Who does GSW, Phoenix, Milwaukee, Philly, Denver have on their third string right now that can be trusted in a playoff game?

Here are the players with the 11th most total playoff minutes for the final 4 playoff teams:
Denver:  Reggie Jackson, 6 gp, 18 total minutes
Lakers: Wenyen Gabriel, 10 gp, 37 total minutes
Miami: Yurtseven, 8 gp, 16 total minutes (not counting Herro and Oladipo)
Boston: Luke Kornet, 8 gp, 32 total minutes

They're really not meant to be played much and I don't know how many of those minutes were garbage minutes.

Playoff rotations for most teams usually condense down to 8 men -- 5 starters, 1 big, 1 wing, 1 ball handler.  So the emergency playoff depth and spot minutes should be your 9th and 10th men, not 11th-15th men.  I think if an injury happens, its most likely that your other rotation players are going to absorb the minutes rather than looking at your 3rd string.

Miami is the unusual team that had injuries to 2 rotation players, but had the depth to go into their 11th-15th men to absorb that.  But consider if you asked Miami Heat fans last offseason, "Do you trust [Cody Zeller, Haywood Highsmith] in a playoff game?" that answer would have been very similar to how we trust our 11th men right now.  Sometimes you just have to give players the chance.  And as for Kevin Love, I wonder how many people would have said 6 months ago "Yes I trust Kevin Love in a playoff game, but not Blake Griffin."

[BitterJim]

Brad's big moves have been trades leaving basically no money to sign anyone because despite what Wyc says, the team clearly does not have an unlimited budget.

Doesn't have anything to do with Money. Milwaukee and these other teams signing actual NBA players on vet minimums to round out the bench.

Brad signing G-leaguers. Now, we are talking end of the bench. so there is a chance these guys are just waiving towels. BUT still...

Milwaukee doesn't have money, but they do have minutes. If another team had signed Grant and we had traded away Brogdan for non-rotation players, we would be in the running for guys like Martin too. But no one is gonna come get payed the minimum to ride the bench if they can get more money or more opportunities elsewhere. Our best bet is grabbing one or two guys that fall through the cracks this week and are can't afford to be as picky

This is what I wrote to wdleehi:

Right now we have seven established vets under contract who have proven themselves as reliable NBA players:

KP, Tatum, Brown, Timelord, Horford, White, Brogdon

After that, there's a bunch of guys who weren't trusted enough to play much in the playoffs:

Hauser, Pritchard, Kornet, Champagnie

And the news guys, who aren't clear rotation plays:

Brissett, Banton

Is the argument that there wasn't a single free agent who would have challenged players outside the top-7 for playing team?  As for "which players are likely to miss time", pretty much everybody in our rotation other than Tatum and White.

I think our depth has taken a hit as of now, and there should be opportunities for outside players.

Opportunities are possible, but other teams have guaranteed rotation spots to offer. No one is gonna sign on the first few days of free agency to possibly sit behind Hauser or need a starter to get injured for them to even come off the bench. Those arguments will start to be attractive once the remaining players realize that the good opportunities are gone, but we haven't reached that point yet. Hopefully we do before the decent players dry up, because I want us to get 1 or 2 of them. And while we wait those guys out, if Brad wants to grab one or two of his binkies go ahead. Those guys won't prevent us from signing a legit vet later

[action781]

I think Brad is scarred from that 2019 roster and now holds firmly as a philosophy that you just can't have too many players who have an expectation of minutes and touches.  And I think there's some truth to it.  I don't think too many of these productive NBA players are cool with the idea of being a 3rd stringer.  They largely want to play, have an impact, and keep their value up for their next contract.  The best/only way to keep their value up is to get playing time.

[Who]

I think Brad is scarred from that 2019 roster and now holds firmly as a philosophy that you just can't have too many players who have an expectation of minutes and touches. And I think there's some truth to it.  I don't think too many of these productive NBA players are cool with the idea of being a 3rd stringer.  They largely want to play, have an impact, and keep their value up for their next contract.  The best/only way to keep their value up is to get playing time.

Agreed. Huge influence on Brad's thinking.

[tonydelk]

I think Brad is scarred from that 2019 roster and now holds firmly as a philosophy that you just can't have too many players who have an expectation of minutes and touches. And I think there's some truth to it.  I don't think too many of these productive NBA players are cool with the idea of being a 3rd stringer.  They largely want to play, have an impact, and keep their value up for their next contract.  The best/only way to keep their value up is to get playing time.

Agreed. Huge influence on Brad's thinking.

TP.  This is exactly right with vets IMO.  If they won't play they won't sign unless they don't have any other options.  So why not take a chance at young hungry cheap players who still have room for development.  Maybe you get lucky with a max strus or gabe vincent etc.  Or you just turn the roster over the following year with the same type of players or if you actually have PT you can sign a vet at that time.  Right now the rotation is pretty much set.  I still think they need a wing who can score off the bench.  Hopefully they can replace Champagne with Javonte Green or Terence Davis.  Both are available and probably looking for more then the vet minimum so we will see.

[Celtics2021]

I think Brad is scarred from that 2019 roster and now holds firmly as a philosophy that you just can't have too many players who have an expectation of minutes and touches. And I think there's some truth to it.  I don't think too many of these productive NBA players are cool with the idea of being a 3rd stringer.  They largely want to play, have an impact, and keep their value up for their next contract.  The best/only way to keep their value up is to get playing time.

Agreed. Huge influence on Brad's thinking.

TP.  This is exactly right with vets IMO.  If they won't play they won't sign unless they don't have any other options.  So why not take a chance at young hungry cheap players who still have room for development.  Maybe you get lucky with a max strus or gabe vincent etc.  Or you just turn the roster over the following year with the same type of players or if you actually have PT you can sign a vet at that time.  Right now the rotation is pretty much set.  I still think they need a wing who can score off the bench.  Hopefully they can replace Champagne with Javonte Green or Terence Davis.  Both are available and probably looking for more then the vet minimum so we will see.

Yep. I think there are a couple vets who are waiting to see what happens with Grant — if Grant leaves and they haven’t signed elsewhere, there could be mutual interest.  The hard part with the RFA waiting game is that other options move on while you wait.