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Re: 2023 offseason CelticStrong fantasy draft
« Reply #90 on: July 15, 2023, 07:57:52 PM »

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To be clear can we draft someone who started before the merger but was still in the league after it. So a if guy like Kareem wasn't a top 75 player could we draft him?  And if so, how should we account for someone like that? Do we only account for the post-merger seasons in our analysis of the player? Another top 75 that really represents this issue is Havlicek.  He played a couple of seasons post-merger, but no one would draft him based on those couple of seasons.  Just looking for clarity

I say yes, all guys who played 1976-77 onwards are available to draft.

We only consider single season performance in these things rather than career so how they played pre 1976 doesn't matter.

Havlicek of 1976-77 may get drafted. He was an All-Star his final two years and a well rounded SF. He is better than some other SFs who put up more guady stat lines due to his two-way game.

Edit: Hondo would be top 75 so he couldn't be drafted. But yeah you just got to take one of their 1976-77 or onwards seasons if selecting a player who started before the merger.
we don't always select a season in these things.  That is part of the clarity I was seeking.  If we select seasons then any season post-merger can be used that is probably cleaner.
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Wings - Dantley, Bowen, J. Jackson
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Re: 2023 offseason CelticStrong fantasy draft
« Reply #91 on: July 15, 2023, 08:27:41 PM »

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To be clear can we draft someone who started before the merger but was still in the league after it. So a if guy like Kareem wasn't a top 75 player could we draft him?  And if so, how should we account for someone like that? Do we only account for the post-merger seasons in our analysis of the player? Another top 75 that really represents this issue is Havlicek.  He played a couple of seasons post-merger, but no one would draft him based on those couple of seasons.  Just looking for clarity

I say yes, all guys who played 1976-77 onwards are available to draft.

We only consider single season performance in these things rather than career so how they played pre 1976 doesn't matter.

Havlicek of 1976-77 may get drafted. He was an All-Star his final two years and a well rounded SF. He is better than some other SFs who put up more guady stat lines due to his two-way game.

Edit: Hondo would be top 75 so he couldn't be drafted. But yeah you just got to take one of their 1976-77 or onwards seasons if selecting a player who started before the merger.
we don't always select a season in these things.  That is part of the clarity I was seeking.  If we select seasons then any season post-merger can be used that is probably cleaner.
Selecting seasons is how this is going I think - any post-merger seasons, regardless of when a guy was drafted, so long as they are retired & not in the 75
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: 2023 offseason CelticStrong fantasy draft - teams in OP
« Reply #92 on: July 16, 2023, 03:35:56 AM »

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Ew, I get the ugly stepsister of LA. Hopefully I'll be able to do better in this draft than the Clippers have in their history.
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PG: Dennis Johnson / Jo Jo White / Stephon Marbury
SG: Sidney Moncrief / World B. Free
SF: Chris Mullin / Ron Artest
PF: Detlef Schrempf / Tom Chambers / Buck Williams
C: Ben Wallace / Andrew Bynum

Re: 2023 offseason CelticStrong fantasy draft - teams in OP
« Reply #93 on: July 16, 2023, 03:44:22 AM »

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Ew, I get the ugly stepsister of LA. Hopefully I'll be able to do better in this draft than the Clippers have in their history.
At least you didn't get the purple and gold!

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'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: 2023 offseason CelticStrong fantasy draft - teams in OP
« Reply #94 on: July 17, 2023, 12:59:07 PM »

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This draft will get real flat real quick. So many players of a similar talent level.

Hard to figure any type of pre-draft plan. It'll also be hard to create any separation team from team.

Re: 2023 offseason CelticStrong fantasy draft - teams in OP
« Reply #95 on: July 17, 2023, 01:28:27 PM »

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I forget how this works.  Is there a specified era that this team is playing by?  Like, 2023 rules, 1995 rules, etc.?

Also, we keep saying top-75, but it includes all 76 players the league listed?


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Re: 2023 offseason CelticStrong fantasy draft - teams in OP
« Reply #96 on: July 17, 2023, 02:57:56 PM »

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I forget how this works.  Is there a specified era that this team is playing by?  Like, 2023 rules, 1995 rules, etc.?

Also, we keep saying top-75, but it includes all 76 players the league listed?

Yeah, we could definitely use a post/thread outlining the parameters here.


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Re: 2023 offseason CelticStrong fantasy draft - teams in OP
« Reply #97 on: July 17, 2023, 03:52:25 PM »

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I'm wondering if the talent level evens out after the first two rounds and stays constant until the 7th-8th round.

Re: 2023 offseason CelticStrong fantasy draft - teams in OP
« Reply #98 on: July 17, 2023, 04:39:52 PM »

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I forget how this works.  Is there a specified era that this team is playing by?  Like, 2023 rules, 1995 rules, etc.?

Also, we keep saying top-75, but it includes all 76 players the league listed?

Yeah, we could definitely use a post/thread outlining the parameters here.
Am planning on mocking up a draft thread with the parameters - bit bogged down in this thread of brainstorming.

I had forgotten it was 76 because of the tie - the NBA 75 refers to the anniversary team, not the number specifically.
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: 2023 offseason CelticStrong fantasy draft - teams in OP
« Reply #99 on: July 17, 2023, 05:34:31 PM »

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Rules can be found here: https://forum.celticsstrong.com/index.php?topic=108272.msg3179405#new

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'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: 2023 offseason CelticStrong fantasy draft - teams in OP
« Reply #100 on: July 21, 2023, 06:06:59 PM »

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The draft lottery will be held in approx. 24 hours
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: 2023 offseason CelticStrong fantasy draft - teams in OP
« Reply #101 on: July 22, 2023, 08:08:43 PM »

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Just about to start posting pick allocations, beginning with 12 :)
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: 2023 offseason CelticStrong fantasy draft - teams in OP
« Reply #102 on: July 22, 2023, 08:16:26 PM »

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The 12th pick in the CelticsStrong Historical draft belongs to...

Kernewek & the Washington Generals!
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: 2023 offseason CelticStrong fantasy draft - teams in OP
« Reply #103 on: July 22, 2023, 08:17:16 PM »

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The 11th pick of the CS Historical draft will go to...

Donoghus & the Sacramento Kings!
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)

Re: 2023 offseason CelticStrong fantasy draft - teams in OP
« Reply #104 on: July 22, 2023, 08:18:04 PM »

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The 10th pick of the CS Historical draft goes to...

Roy H. & the Cleveland Cavaliers!
'23 Historical Draft: Orlando Magic.

PG: Terry Porter (90-91) / Steve Francis (00-01)
SG: Joe Dumars (92-93) / Jeff Hornacek (91-92) / Jerry Stackhouse (00-01)
SF: Brandon Roy (08-09) / Walter Davis (78-79)
PF: Terry Cummings (84-85) / Paul Millsap (15-16)
C: Chris Webber (00-01) / Ralph Sampson (83-84) / Andrew Bogut (09-10)