Can the C's resign KP long term?

[keevsnick]

Hopefully the cap continues to go up at the rate that it has.  Under the new CBA the max the cap can increase per year is 10%.

2023 - 2024 = 136.021 and 165.294
2024 - 2025 = 149.623 and 181.823
2025 - 2026 = 164.59 and 200.005

I was really surprised the players agreed to limiting increases to 10% — I think it’ll go up by 10% every year of the CBA.

The players get their money either way. They are guaranteed their 50% split of league revenue, if the league revenue goes up by more than the cap they basically just get a check written to them by the NBA.

In essence limiting the cap increase just changes WHICH players get paid. In the event of a big cap bump the only players that really benefit are the player that are free agents IN THAT OFF SEASON. This happened during the KD offseaosn where a bunch of mediocre guys got big contracts biggest of the huge cap jump.

Doing cap smoothing just means the money gets spread around to all nab players.

[Vermont Green]

So if the max is 2 years about $38M each, and what people are hoping for is something closer to $30M per year, I don't see this happening unless we give him the full $77M extension.  I know there is injury history but that is a discount on what Porzingis's production would cost from a more durable player.  He has been 20+ points and around 8 rebs with 35%-38% from 3 the last several seasons.  If Porzingis was durable, he would be a super max player.  Instead, he is something less than that.

I am OK in any case, $32M, $35M, $38M, whatever.  We are going to be over the second apron the next two seasons anyway with Brown's and Tatum's contracts kicking in.  It is only 2 seasons, it is worth the risk in my opinion.  I suspect that this has already been settled as part of him picking up the option and essentially agreeing to the trade.

I like what I am hearing in terms of him being excited about coming to Boston.  I don't think that was the case when he was traded to DAL and I can't imagine he was any happier to be sent to WAS.  I am really looking forward to seeing what he can do.  I think he can be a winning player in BOS.

[Celtics2021]

Hopefully the cap continues to go up at the rate that it has.  Under the new CBA the max the cap can increase per year is 10%.

2023 - 2024 = 136.021 and 165.294
2024 - 2025 = 149.623 and 181.823
2025 - 2026 = 164.59 and 200.005

I was really surprised the players agreed to limiting increases to 10% — I think it’ll go up by 10% every year of the CBA.

The players get their money either way. They are guaranteed their 50% split of league revenue, if the league revenue goes up by more than the cap they basically just get a check written to them by the NBA.

In essence limiting the cap increase just changes WHICH players get paid. In the event of a big cap bump the only players that really benefit are the player that are free agents IN THAT OFF SEASON. This happened during the KD offseaosn where a bunch of mediocre guys got big contracts biggest of the huge cap jump.

Doing cap smoothing just means the money gets spread around to all nab players.

It actually rolls over to the next year of the cap, and with the big increase in the media deal, there will be a lot to roll over.  We won’t hear about it for 7 years, but I think this is going to be a sticking point in the next CBA negotiations — there’s going to be a large pile of cash that hasn’t finished rolling over yet, and owners are going to try to reclaim a chunk of it.  I’ll see if I can find this prediction in 2030 or whenever the opt out year is.  (Spoiler: I won’t).

[jambr380]

Why are we only allowed to offer a 2yr extension anyway? He is coming off of a 5yr deal. Aren't teams typically able to offer 4yr extensions in these circumstances? I know I am missing something, but people keep reporting that the Celtics can offer 2 years without explaining why. Thanks in advance btw!

[Celtics2021]

Why are we only allowed to offer a 2yr extension anyway? He is coming off of a 5yr deal. Aren't teams typically able to offer 4yr extensions in these circumstances? I know I am missing something, but people keep reporting that the Celtics can offer 2 years without explaining why. Thanks in advance btw!

Extend & Trade deals are limited to two additional seasons. After 6 months have passed, we could offer him a longer deal as you describe.  The raises are also more limited currently.

[jambr380]

Why are we only allowed to offer a 2yr extension anyway? He is coming off of a 5yr deal. Aren't teams typically able to offer 4yr extensions in these circumstances? I know I am missing something, but people keep reporting that the Celtics can offer 2 years without explaining why. Thanks in advance btw!

Extend & Trade deals are limited to two additional seasons. After 6 months have passed, we could offer him a longer deal as you describe.  The raises are also more limited currently.

Okay, the extend and trade part makes sense. I was all over Coon's CBAFAQ several years back when the Celtics had cap space each year, but have leaned on posters like you, BitterJim, Roy, etc more recently. I don't know if you were here during saltlover's reign, but he was a wealth of information. In fact, one might believe that you are the former saltlover 

[Vermont Green]

So the trade will be done after July 1 and the extension already offered (by WAS) and accepted? 

[gouki88]

I am surprised Porzingis is willing to sign a 2 year deal. If I were him, I'd be trying to get as long term a deal as possible given his injury history. Far from a sure thing that he can get comparable 2yrs from now. Just coming off his career year, lock in that long term money now.

A 2 year $60m extension ($96m over 3 years) would take his career earnings to around $235 million. He would also still only be 30 by the contract's end.

[vjcsmoke]

I'm cool with the reported 2 year 60m extension.  30m per year is reasonable for a star player in today's crazy salary cap era.

Hopefully KP will fit in nicely with the Jays and give us that extra dimension we've been missing - a big man who can protect the rim and pick up the slack for scoring!

[PAOBoston]

This is a great deal. I can’t believe the extension is only $60 mil!

[trickybilly]

This is a great deal. I can’t believe the extension is only $60 mil!

Yep, if he's healthy that will be the best value contract in the league in 26/27

[gouki88]

KP earning significantly less than Fred VanVleet & Jerami Grant, players I would argue he is definitely superior to. Nice!

[cman88]

I'm cool with the reported 2 year 60m extension.  30m per year is reasonable for a star player in today's crazy salary cap era.

Hopefully KP will fit in nicely with the Jays and give us that extra dimension we've been missing - a big man who can protect the rim and pick up the slack for scoring!

It's actually more than decent. I mean van fleet is making 43million.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Brad Stevens continues to show he is already one of the best front office execs out there. Great value.

[keevsnick]

Not bad. Traded Smart (on a 3/60 contract) + Galo and Muscala expiring's for a net of KP, 24' GSW First, 4 future seconds then locked up KP for a total of 96/3.

If he stays healthy, he'll be very tradeable, its a low enough contract that MAYBE they can keep KP/Tatum/Brown together for three years before it all gets too expensive.