Did Stevens trade for enough 2nds on draft night to ship Brogdon?

[todd_days_41]

It’s my strong belief that Stevens busy night last week was in an effort to acquire capital to attach to Brogdon in a deal this summer. Did he get enough? Does anyone have the details of those 3-4 future 2nds they can post?

How many 2nds would be needed to find a trade partner in a fairly lopsided salary dump?

And before I get ripped — yes, i know he’s a very good player, and I like Brogdon. But his injury status and history makes him difficult to have on the books (for any team) in the new CBA. I’m strictly interested in the transactional side here.

[Vermont Green]

I don't think Boston would need to attach anything to Brogdon to get a trade done if they wanted to trade him.  There is kind of a cloud over him right now due to the injury and the rescinded trade but that does not change the fact that he is a good player.  LAC was reportedly willing to give up Morris, Amir Coffey and the 30th pick for Brogdon.

The current report on Brogdon's injury is 4-8 weeks of rest.  I think if LAC had had time to confirm this, Brogdon would be in LA already.  I don't think Brogdon will be traded now.  The whole point was to trade one of Smart, White, or Brogdon to balance the roster.  The point wasn't to trade Brogdon for the sake of trading Brogdon.  The roster is balanced now, we have the reigning 6MOY returning to be our 6th man again.  I will be very surprised if the Celtics dump his salary.

And if they did want to trade him but not take any salary back, it would probably need to be a 3-way, like the LAC deal, but instead of us getting a player like Porzingis, we would take back low cost prospects or something from the 3rd team.

[Surferdad]

Brogdon historically is a 20 ppg starter. Injury concerns aside, not sure why we would trade him.

Malcom Brogdon came here as a starter and was willing to take the 6th man role and lo-and-behold, he won 6MOY. He has been a good soldier, willing to take a lesser role for the sake of the team. I predict Brogdon will blossom as the starting PG (if he gets the nod over White).

[cman88]

Brogdon historically is a 20 ppg starter. Injury concerns aside, not sure why we would trade him.

Malcom Brogdon came here as a starter and was willing to take the 6th man role and lo-and-behold, he won 6MOY. He has been a good soldier, willing to take a lesser role for the sake of the team. I predict Brogdon will blossom as the starting PG (if he gets the nod over White).

Yeah, I don't quite understand this narrative from fans that we should trade Brogdon now. I've never seen a bigger case of "recency bias." its as if everything before the injury was wiped from fans brains.

Brad said he wanted to add more balance to the team considering we had 3 guards who all can average 15ppg and all could start.  SO basically it was Smart or Brogdon. If the Brogdon trade goes through smart is probably still on this team.

now for some reason fans want to turn guard into a weakness with just white/Pritchard? Brogdon averaged 20ppg the 2 years in Indiana as a starting guard. with the loss of smart he becomes EVEN MORE important to this team. I believe Brad when he says they expect Brogdon to be a significant contributor for this team next year.

unless people somehow think Pritchard is anywhere close to his level to be the #1 backup to White....that scares me.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

I think you could say that Stevens' philosophy as a GM is similar to his philosophy as a coach - be as versatile and flexibility as possible.

One at a time, he added bigger contracts, including Brogdon. A few years ago Smart was the only mid-tier contract we could trade, but he gained the flexibility to trade Brogdon, or White, or Smart.

But the other thing I see is that he is always trying to get the best player in the trade.

Based on those observations, Stevens is unlikely to dump Brogdon for pieces that are not quite ready to help us win a championship. I've tried going through the NBA and looking at teams that may want a player like Brogdon, who may also be willing to trade a different player back that would help us win a championship better, but I haven't come up with many options.

However, the additional draft picks give us the flexibility to trade Brogdon in the future if a better opportunity game up. I think that's the key.

[Roy H.]

Yeah, Brogdon isn't a guy you need to salary dump.  He's got positive value.

[Goldstar88]

It’s my strong belief that Stevens busy night last week was in an effort to acquire capital to attach to Brogdon in a deal this summer. Did he get enough? Does anyone have the details of those 3-4 future 2nds they can post?

How many 2nds would be needed to find a trade partner in a fairly lopsided salary dump?

And before I get ripped — yes, i know he’s a very good player, and I like Brogdon. But his injury status and history makes him difficult to have on the books (for any team) in the new CBA. I’m strictly interested in the transactional side here.

With that said, why would a team trade for him? Especially when he’s currently injured.

I don’t think he’s going to get traded now that Smart is gone. White will likely start and Brogdon is the perfect backup at the PG and SG positions.

[celticinorlando]

Brogdon historically is a 20 ppg starter. Injury concerns aside, not sure why we would trade him.

Malcom Brogdon came here as a starter and was willing to take the 6th man role and lo-and-behold, he won 6MOY. He has been a good soldier, willing to take a lesser role for the sake of the team. I predict Brogdon will blossom as the starting PG (if he gets the nod over White).

This. Brogdan is going to be a key piece in winning this season.

[No Nickname]

Brogdon historically is a 20 ppg starter. Injury concerns aside, not sure why we would trade him.

Malcom Brogdon came here as a starter and was willing to take the 6th man role and lo-and-behold, he won 6MOY. He has been a good soldier, willing to take a lesser role for the sake of the team. I predict Brogdon will blossom as the starting PG (if he gets the nod over White).

Hell yeah.  Yes, his injury came at the worst time this year.  But it's not a knee or foot or achilles issue.  I'd be more concerned over those.
 
Brogdon is a smart player.  A leader too.  The guy is respected by his teammates and around the league.

He's strong as hell and has a super-quick drive to the basket for sneaky layups.  And his three-point shooting is above par.

The fact that he's willing to be our 6th-man is incredible.  He could be a starter on just under half the teams in the league.

[jmen788]

Assuming Brogdon will heal fully etc., I hope we keep him, he can be big as the 6th man with our new "big 3." If he is completely cooked and will never be the same (some have said that, maybe Windhost), that is a different story.. but do not think that is true/obviously hope it's not.

[todd_days_41]

Yeah, Brogdon isn't a guy you need to salary dump.  He's got positive value.

I don’t think is the open and shut case stated above under the new CBA, depending on how injured he truly is.

And I think the Cs still need to shed $$$ — Brogdon still seems like the most likely to go.

[Kernewek]

Brogdon historically is a 20 ppg starter. Injury concerns aside, not sure why we would trade him.

Malcom Brogdon came here as a starter and was willing to take the 6th man role and lo-and-behold, he won 6MOY. He has been a good soldier, willing to take a lesser role for the sake of the team. I predict Brogdon will blossom as the starting PG (if he gets the nod over White).

Yeah, I don't quite understand this narrative from fans that we should trade Brogdon now. I've never seen a bigger case of "recency bias." its as if everything before the injury was wiped from fans brains.

Brad said he wanted to add more balance to the team considering we had 3 guards who all can average 15ppg and all could start.  SO basically it was Smart or Brogdon. If the Brogdon trade goes through smart is probably still on this team.

now for some reason fans want to turn guard into a weakness with just white/Pritchard? Brogdon averaged 20ppg the 2 years in Indiana as a starting guard. with the loss of smart he becomes EVEN MORE important to this team. I believe Brad when he says they expect Brogdon to be a significant contributor for this team next year.

unless people somehow think Pritchard is anywhere close to his level to be the #1 backup to White....that scares me.

I agree. And Stevens tried to trade Brogdon first, apparently (which makes sense, because he's less important to the team than Smart). But now that you've moved Smart, keeping Brogdon is the logical move.

[keevsnick]

Brogdon historically is a 20 ppg starter. Injury concerns aside, not sure why we would trade him.

Malcom Brogdon came here as a starter and was willing to take the 6th man role and lo-and-behold, he won 6MOY. He has been a good soldier, willing to take a lesser role for the sake of the team. I predict Brogdon will blossom as the starting PG (if he gets the nod over White).

Yeah, I don't quite understand this narrative from fans that we should trade Brogdon now. I've never seen a bigger case of "recency bias." its as if everything before the injury was wiped from fans brains.

Brad said he wanted to add more balance to the team considering we had 3 guards who all can average 15ppg and all could start.  SO basically it was Smart or Brogdon. If the Brogdon trade goes through smart is probably still on this team.

now for some reason fans want to turn guard into a weakness with just white/Pritchard? Brogdon averaged 20ppg the 2 years in Indiana as a starting guard. with the loss of smart he becomes EVEN MORE important to this team. I believe Brad when he says they expect Brogdon to be a significant contributor for this team next year.

unless people somehow think Pritchard is anywhere close to his level to be the #1 backup to White....that scares me.

I agree. And Stevens tried to trade Brogdon first, apparently (which makes sense, because he's less important to the team than Smart). But now that you've moved Smart, keeping Brogdon is the logical move.

So i guess the one argument you could make is that the c's are still facing a money crunch after this season. Now with KP on the books and Brown's extension kicking in starting 24-25 the c's face the 2nd apron. I think you could argue maybe they'd want to dump Brogdon to get off his 22.5 million in 24-25, and doing so a year early might make that easier.

Of course we aren't privy to the c's long terms plan. Maybe they don't care about the 2nd apron for a year or two. Maybe they think an expiring Brogdon will be easy to move.

Strictly team building/talent wise Brogdon is fine for next year. Elite shooters who hold up okay on defense are good players to have, even if he does have issue on small guards or finding Rob on lobs.

[cman88]

Yeah, Brogdon isn't a guy you need to salary dump.  He's got positive value.

I don’t think is the open and shut case stated above under the new CBA, depending on how injured he truly is.

And I think the Cs still need to shed $$$ — Brogdon still seems like the most likely to go.

not really, tons of teams are going all in this year. Brogdons value couldn't be lower right now after the clippers backed out. so you are giving up a 15-20ppg scorer for peanuts.

I still dont see why you would want to take a strength of guards and make it an extreme weakness where White is our only reliable guard.

brad didn't move smart so he could blow up our glut of guards into a weakness. he was going to move one of brogdon/smart/white to create more roster balance.

[Jon]

It should also be pointed out that “injury prone” Malcolm Brogdon played more games that Marcus Smart last season (as did Porzingis).