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[Moranis]

Magic has 5 titles, 3 Finals MVP's, 3 regular season MVP's.  Magic also made 5 other Finals.

Curry has 4 titles, just the 1 Finals MVP, 2 regular season MVP's.  Curry made 2 other Finals. 

Shear accolades it still isn't all that close.

I have Curry somewhere in the 11-13 range all time (I haven't thought about it recently), while I have Magic at 5th all time behind only Lebron, Kareem, Jordan, and Wilt. 

[Goldstar88]

Stephen Curry says he's the best point guard in NBA history

Golden State Warriors star Stephen Curry believes he stands at the top of the mountain when it comes to the greatest point guards in NBA history. Speaking with retired star Gilbert Arenas, Curry said Magic Johnson has a “ridiculous” résumé but that he’d put himself above the Los Angeles Lakers legend.@GilsArenaShow

It's like comparing apples & hand grenades. They played the position differently.

Even in this day and age I'm still taking Magic.

Magic would still dominate if he played today. An MVP candidate today just like he was back then.

Steph could not dominate if he played in the 80s. He'd be a Mark Price. A very good player. A perennial All-Star. But he'd get beaten up a lot and struggle to maintain performance levels against tougher defenses.

I tend to agree. Not sure Steph would have had the same level of success if he played in the 80’s or 90’s. Magic would have been dominant in any era. Also, Curry is a very average defender. Feel like that should be factored in as well.

[gouki88]

Magic has 5 titles, 3 Finals MVP's, 3 regular season MVP's.  Magic also made 5 other Finals.

Curry has 4 titles, just the 1 Finals MVP, 2 regular season MVP's.  Curry made 2 other Finals. 

Shear accolades it still isn't all that close.

I have Curry somewhere in the 11-13 range all time (I haven't thought about it recently), while I have Magic at 5th all time behind only Lebron, Kareem, Jordan, and Wilt.

Curry should have an additional Finals MVP though, over Iguodala.

I think you overrate Magic by a touch. He's behind Bird, Russell & Duncan for my mind. Same tier as Curry, Hakeem & Shaq for me.

[boscel33]

It's been a few weeks since I've posted.  Since that time, 8 days in Norway, three days in London, now recovering from COVID at home.  Three plus years into this and I get it for the first time. 

Anyway, still seeing chatter about Oubre, has there been any other talk about another player I missed since I've been out of the picture since the 4th?

[Kernewek]

It's been a few weeks since I've posted.  Since that time, 8 days in Norway, three days in London, now recovering from COVID at home.  Three plus years into this and I get it for the first time. 

Anyway, still seeing chatter about Oubre, has there been any other talk about another player I missed since I've been out of the picture since the 4th?

Hope you enjoyed your stay over here (you certainly had the best weather you could expect), and I hope the covid's not getting you too badly - it seems to be going around quite a bit at the moment.

[Moranis]

Magic has 5 titles, 3 Finals MVP's, 3 regular season MVP's.  Magic also made 5 other Finals.

Curry has 4 titles, just the 1 Finals MVP, 2 regular season MVP's.  Curry made 2 other Finals. 

Shear accolades it still isn't all that close.

I have Curry somewhere in the 11-13 range all time (I haven't thought about it recently), while I have Magic at 5th all time behind only Lebron, Kareem, Jordan, and Wilt.

Curry should have an additional Finals MVP though, over Iguodala.

I think you overrate Magic by a touch. He's behind Bird, Russell & Duncan for my mind. Same tier as Curry, Hakeem & Shaq for me.

Sure and Magic should have won the FMVP that Worthy won and perhaps the one Kareem won (though Magic might have picked one up that should have gone to Kareem earlier).  And I did have it wrong Magic was 5-4 in Finals not 5-5.

As for his all time place, Magic went head to head with Bird for their careers and ended up with the better career.  That is why I have Magic ahead of Bird.  I think Duncan is behind Bird, so he can't be ahead of Magic either. Bill is always hard for me to place. The winning is amazing, but his teammates were so good and his teams were so much deeper than his competition. Then couple that with his statistical numbers not being as good as other great players of the era and I have him at 6, just behind Magic and just ahead of Bird.  I think Hakeem is 9 and Shaq is 10.  I'd put Curry in the next group with Moses, Oscar, and Kobe.  I haven't looked at them recently enough to know the order, but I might have Curry 11 at this point.  At 15 is where it really gets hard as I think you could argue for about 10 players to be there

[Birdman]

Lonzo Ball out for the season already..sad..doubt he will ever play again

[Donoghus]

Chris Haynes
@ChrisBHaynes
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Philadelphia 76ers star James Harden is on the cusp of receiving a substantial fine by the league for comments directed towards team president Daryl Morey, league sources tell
@NBAonTNT
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@BleacherReport
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[Goldstar88]

Chris Haynes
@ChrisBHaynes
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Philadelphia 76ers star James Harden is on the cusp of receiving a substantial fine by the league for comments directed towards team president Daryl Morey, league sources tell
@NBAonTNT
,
@BleacherReport
.

Good

[Donoghus]

Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
The NBA is fining Sixers star James Harden $100,000 for his recent comments referring to franchise president Daryl Morey as a “liar,” sources tell ESPN.

And the why

Adrian Wojnarowski
@wojespn
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For the league’s purposes on the fine, Harden’s comments that he would never be part of an organization that included Morey played a bigger part in the fine, sources said. It touched on the league’s rules concerning public trade demands.

[Surferdad]

Magic has 5 titles, 3 Finals MVP's, 3 regular season MVP's.  Magic also made 5 other Finals.

Curry has 4 titles, just the 1 Finals MVP, 2 regular season MVP's.  Curry made 2 other Finals. 

Shear accolades it still isn't all that close.

I have Curry somewhere in the 11-13 range all time (I haven't thought about it recently), while I have Magic at 5th all time behind only Lebron, Kareem, Jordan, and Wilt.

Curry should have an additional Finals MVP though, over Iguodala.

I think you overrate Magic by a touch. He's behind Bird, Russell & Duncan for my mind. Same tier as Curry, Hakeem & Shaq for me.

Sure and Magic should have won the FMVP that Worthy won and perhaps the one Kareem won (though Magic might have picked one up that should have gone to Kareem earlier).  And I did have it wrong Magic was 5-4 in Finals not 5-5.

As for his all time place, Magic went head to head with Bird for their careers and ended up with the better career.  That is why I have Magic ahead of Bird.  I think Duncan is behind Bird, so he can't be ahead of Magic either. Bill is always hard for me to place. The winning is amazing, but his teammates were so good and his teams were so much deeper than his competition. Then couple that with his statistical numbers not being as good as other great players of the era and I have him at 6, just behind Magic and just ahead of Bird.  I think Hakeem is 9 and Shaq is 10.  I'd put Curry in the next group with Moses, Oscar, and Kobe.  I haven't looked at them recently enough to know the order, but I might have Curry 11 at this point.  At 15 is where it really gets hard as I think you could argue for about 10 players to be there

I agree with most of that, and I especially like how you taken head-to-head and same-era into consideration, for example, putting Magic just slightly ahead of Bird. In the same regard, I have to put Russell just ahead of Wilt due to the winning. Where I differ somewhat is I put Kobe ahead of Shaq at 10th, sorry but I just don't think Shaq should be as high as 10th.

Another consideration is "recency bias", so some old-timers guys like Oscar, Cousy, Pettit etc. get less and less consideration as time goes on. I had Oscar in my top-10 for a very long time but with more elite players HOF-ers to choose from now I admit he is probably in the 10-15 range now.

[Roy H.]

Curry should have an additional Finals MVP though, over Iguodala.

Lies!

There are two sides of the ball, muchacho. 

[Moranis]

Curry should have an additional Finals MVP though, over Iguodala.

Lies!

There are two sides of the ball, muchacho.

Sure and Lebron averaged 35.8 p, 13.3 r, and 8.8 a in that series.  Now his shooting percentage was low, but all of that was more a function of Timofey Mozgov being the 2nd best player on that team after game 1.

Iggy winning that award over Curry was a travesty

[Roy H.]

Curry should have an additional Finals MVP though, over Iguodala.

Lies!

There are two sides of the ball, muchacho.

Sure and Lebron averaged 35.8 p, 13.3 r, and 8.8 a in that series.  Now his shooting percentage was low, but all of that was more a function of Timofey Mozgov being the 2nd best player on that team after game 1.

Iggy winning that award over Curry was a travesty

Eh.  Lebron had the third lowest FG% of his career in that playoff series.

When Iguodala was in the game, LeBron James shot 38.1 percent from the field, scoring 26 points per 36 minutes with 2.9 turnovers. With Iguodala on the bench, James shot 44 percent, averaging 35 points per 36 minutes with 2.2 turnovers. With Iguodala as the primary defender, opponents shot 37.2 percent overall, and he gave up free throws the same percentage of time (10.8 percent) that he forced a turnover, via Synergy Sports.

Iguodala:  16.3 points, 5.8 rebounds, 4.0 assists, 52.1% FG%, 40.0% 3PT%

Curry: 26.0 points, 5.2 rebounds, 6.3 assists, 44.3% FG%, 38.5% 3PT%

In that series, Curry basically single-handedly lost GS Game 2, shooting 5-for-23 with 6 turnovers.  Overall, Curry was -4 over the first three games.

Iguodala, meanwhile, had a positive +/- in every game in the series.  With Iggy in the starting lineup, GS went 3-0 and smoked the Cavs.  As a starter:  20.3 points, 7.0 rebounds, 4.0 assists, 0.3 turnovers, 2.0 steals, 3 wins, 0 losses, at least +14 in each game, 1 title stolen from Lebron

[Moranis]

Curry should have an additional Finals MVP though, over Iguodala.

Lies!

There are two sides of the ball, muchacho.

Sure and Lebron averaged 35.8 p, 13.3 r, and 8.8 a in that series.  Now his shooting percentage was low, but all of that was more a function of Timofey Mozgov being the 2nd best player on that team after game 1.

Iggy winning that award over Curry was a travesty

Eh.  Lebron had the third lowest FG% of his career in that playoff series.

When Iguodala was in the game, LeBron James shot 38.1 percent from the field, scoring 26 points per 36 minutes with 2.9 turnovers. With Iguodala on the bench, James shot 44 percent, averaging 35 points per 36 minutes with 2.2 turnovers. With Iguodala as the primary defender, opponents shot 37.2 percent overall, and he gave up free throws the same percentage of time (10.8 percent) that he forced a turnover, via Synergy Sports.

Iguodala:  16.3 points, 5.8 rebounds, 4.0 assists, 52.1% FG%, 40.0% 3PT%

Curry: 26.0 points, 5.2 rebounds, 6.3 assists, 44.3% FG%, 38.5% 3PT%

In that series, Curry basically single-handedly lost GS Game 2, shooting 5-for-23 with 6 turnovers.  Overall, Curry was -4 over the first three games.

Iguodala, meanwhile, had a positive +/- in every game in the series.  With Iggy in the starting lineup, GS went 3-0 and smoked the Cavs.  As a starter:  20.3 points, 7.0 rebounds, 4.0 assists, 0.3 turnovers, 2.0 steals, 3 wins, 0 losses, at least +14 in each game, 1 title stolen from Lebron

all 3 of those games, Curry had a better or same +- than Iggy did though.  Lebron was just tired.  He had no help, Iggy got credit for defending a tired Lebron who carried an awful team to 2 wins (and had they closed out game 1 in regulation and Irving doesn't get hurt in OT, Cleveland wins that series) . Mozgov was the 2nd leading scorer for the Cavs.  JR Smith was 3rd and Tristan Thompson was 4th.  That team without Irving and Love was awful (outside of Lebron obviously).  Curry was the leading scorer by nearly 10 a game. He was the assist leader as well and got 5 boards.  Up to that point in time, the only time a player averaged 25/5/5 for the winning team and did not win Finals MVP was Kobenwhen he was woth Shaq.  Lebron was the best player on the floor, but he was on the losing side, so if you didn't vote for Lebron, it should have been Curry, who was the best player and had the best stats of the winning team.