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Re: Anyone Else Still Not Over It?
« Reply #15 on: June 03, 2023, 03:56:04 PM »

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I'm over it, but see it as a lost opportunity.
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Re: Anyone Else Still Not Over It?
« Reply #16 on: June 03, 2023, 04:33:06 PM »

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It's hard to "get over it" when you know the team didn't put its best foot forward all playoffs. If they had lost to a clearly better team while giving their best effort, it would have been easy to tip your cap and move on. I know some people think we should have won against the Warriors last year, but I thought the better team won. This year I don't think anybody thinks the Heat were actually better in talent, they just were more consistent, better coached, and mentally stronger.

The haphazard coaching situation, the inconsistent effort, the weird lack of a home court advantage, the same unforced/lazy TOs, these are all things that aren't necessarily talent-related but cost the team games. Yes, they had injuries to Brogdon in game 1 and Tatum in game 7, but the Heat had injuries too and the Celtics were actually one of the healthiest teams in the playoffs. They never should have even been in a situation where they had to win 4 in a row, so I'm not going to accept Tatum's ankle sprain as an excuse.

Re: Anyone Else Still Not Over It?
« Reply #17 on: June 03, 2023, 04:51:33 PM »

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I'm over it....till I get on this site and read all the over reactive handwringing, calling people they don't know with vast more experience clowns and idiots. That serves no constructive purpose and tends to get me all riled up. I've always felt the worst part about being a Boston sports fan is Boston sports fans. Prolly the only worse set of fans are Philly fans. But yeah, I'm ready to move on.
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I find the perspective of those way more p---ed off than me to be cathartic. A humbling experience, really.
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Re: Anyone Else Still Not Over It?
« Reply #18 on: June 03, 2023, 05:04:32 PM »

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I'm not over it. In fact, the Celtics and the Bruins having great regular seasons end terribly in the playoffs has me rethinking my emotional investment in sports. It consumes too much of my time and energy and the pain-to-joy ratio is way off-balance.

In a way, I wish I could be like those people who get so much joy out of watching young players develop and who, even though they do get disappointed when the Cs are eliminated, are able to just be like, "Ah well, what are you gonna do? Great season, guys! Can't wait til next year!" But I'm not like that. I care more about the name on the front of the jersey and want to see titles, especially now that the Lakers have officially tied the Celtics in the banner count.

I understand that process is a real thing and has value, but sometimes I get the feeling that Brad and his biggest supporters put more value in process than in results, sort of like, "Yeah, we want titles, but it's more important to create a pleasant atmosphere for players and fans and a solid product on the floor every season, and that we see personal growth." It gives me a very "corporate kumbaya" feeling. Like, even if there's disappointment, there isn't really disappointment — "everything is zen." I see absolutely zero Larry-Bird-calling-his-teammates-sissies grit with this iteration of the Celtics, and that concerns me.

And I do believe the Celtics players want to win, but it's as though the buddy-buddy, we're-all-friends-from-our-AAU-days spirit that's now prevalent across the NBA has sapped a lot of these guys of some of their competitive fire. They don't despise their opponents when they're on the court; they don't want to figuratively grind them into dust. Almost like the players think that pushing a lead past 20 and keeping it there is being mean.

And what I find interesting is that the game itself is now played with that kind of spirit — lots of 3-pointers (basically a no-contact play) and not much physical, interior play; lots of ticky-tack fouls called, meaning star players are often living at the free-throw line without really earning it. In other words, the game, like most of the players now, doesn't have grit or fire to it; it's mostly finesse and seeing who can make the longest 3pt heaves.

But I digress. Clearly I'm still not over it, LOL.

I find a lot to engage with in this post - even though I'm someone who isn't usually going to brood over whether we win or lose a particular game or series, because at the end of the day, it's just a bunch of guys I don't know playing basketball. That they're our bunch of guys we don't know playing basketball is equally the most inconsequential and the most important thing ever, because that's fandom.

I do believe that basketball is the best team sport to see individual athletic excellence in action, and as a fan of a league "where amazing happens" there's a lot to get out of any NBA game that doesn't feature a Lakers' victory.
And like all of us, I think the Celtics being one of the best teams in the league for any given season is preferable to them being bad.

Obviously as a fandom I think we all hope for a 2007-2008 style barnstorm every year, but those sort of 'called shot' seasons are so few and far between I'd rather just try and enjoy the ride than try to backseat drive from all the way back on the tailgate.

Every title is a matter of luck meeting opportunity meeting talent - which is why I think process is really important. For a super simple example, imagine two universes - one where you started cheering for the Celtics in 2012 and one where you started cheering for Philadelphia.

If that makes me an empty-faced Corpo automoton with a Zen garden on my desk, so be it. :)
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Re: Anyone Else Still Not Over It?
« Reply #19 on: June 03, 2023, 05:05:33 PM »

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I'd probably be over it if they got swept or went down meekly in 5.

Instead they won Games 4-6, then laid a dud in Game 7. Felt like they lost two series within one  :P
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Re: Anyone Else Still Not Over It?
« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2023, 05:25:54 PM »

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What really upsets me is the lack of front office accountability & journalistic integrity.

How has no journalist asked Stevens, WHY is he bringing back Mazzulla? Not one sports journalist has brought up his ‘questionable’ tactics, the fact players have publicly denounced his decisions and the fact this squad is constructed to WIN NOW.

Kevin Arnovitz recently left sports journalism and I believe it was because he was sick of ESPN being a shill for major sports organizations…and I can’t blame him.
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Re: Anyone Else Still Not Over It?
« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2023, 05:37:41 PM »

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I lost faith after losing Gm 3 ECF. I am still a little angry (wasted opportunity) but mostly in the acceptance phase of things. Ready to move on. Focus on the next season and dreaming about what the C's have to do to win next year.

Re: Anyone Else Still Not Over It?
« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2023, 06:13:32 PM »

Offline tenn_smoothie

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I don't get over these kind of losses.
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Re: Anyone Else Still Not Over It?
« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2023, 06:22:18 PM »

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What really upsets me is the lack of front office accountability & journalistic integrity.

How has no journalist asked Stevens, WHY is he bringing back Mazzulla? Not one sports journalist has brought up his ‘questionable’ tactics, the fact players have publicly denounced his decisions and the fact this squad is constructed to WIN NOW.

Kevin Arnovitz recently left sports journalism and I believe it was because he was sick of ESPN being a shill for major sports organizations…and I can’t blame him.

Ed, Are you reading my thoughts all the way from Michigan ?
Your posts are about these same bigger issues that I am finding so disconcerting right now..
There is a lot more to this than just a lost playoff series.
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Re: Anyone Else Still Not Over It?
« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2023, 06:29:44 PM »

Offline Kernewek

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What really upsets me is the lack of front office accountability & journalistic integrity.

How has no journalist asked Stevens, WHY is he bringing back Mazzulla? Not one sports journalist has brought up his ‘questionable’ tactics, the fact players have publicly denounced his decisions and the fact this squad is constructed to WIN NOW.

Kevin Arnovitz recently left sports journalism and I believe it was because he was sick of ESPN being a shill for major sports organizations…and I can’t blame him.

As far as I’m aware Arnovitz was trying his hand in TV. Not sure if that’s still the case, but I doubt ESPN being ESPN had much of anything to do with it.

You’re right that sports journalism isn’t real journalism, but it never has been. If you ask ‘hard hitting questions’ you’ll just find your question dodged, be ignored for the rest of the session, and not asked back to the next Q&A
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Re: Anyone Else Still Not Over It?
« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2023, 06:53:27 PM »

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Re: Anyone Else Still Not Over It?
« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2023, 07:46:57 PM »

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What really upsets me is the lack of front office accountability & journalistic integrity.

How has no journalist asked Stevens, WHY is he bringing back Mazzulla? Not one sports journalist has brought up his ‘questionable’ tactics, the fact players have publicly denounced his decisions and the fact this squad is constructed to WIN NOW.

Kevin Arnovitz recently left sports journalism and I believe it was because he was sick of ESPN being a shill for major sports organizations…and I can’t blame him.

Yeah it's a fair point. Bunch of softball questions were asked to CBS. Brad didn't even really explain why they decided to keep Mazzulla, just kept saying they believe he's the best fit for the job. Like, could someone ask him if he felt that Mazzulla would be better than other candidates out there?
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Re: Anyone Else Still Not Over It?
« Reply #27 on: June 03, 2023, 08:18:10 PM »

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One week ago, arguably one of the greatest buzzer-beating wins in playoff history to send the series 3-3 forcing Game 7 after trailing 3-0.

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Re: Anyone Else Still Not Over It?
« Reply #28 on: June 03, 2023, 09:15:12 PM »

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I am not over it.  We had a chance to make history.  Win one game, find a way to win one game at home, and become the first team to come back from 0-3 in the playoffs.  But instead we were flatter than a pancake, Tatum got hurt, Brown had his turnover game, and the rest of the team just jacked 3s.

The win in game 6 was really a mirage.  Barely got it to a game 6, lucky bounce.

I hope Tatum and Brown aren't over it yet, and that they use this for fuel this summer and next year.   I am not convinced that is the case, but I really hope so.

Re: Anyone Else Still Not Over It?
« Reply #29 on: June 03, 2023, 09:37:21 PM »

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Last year I got over it pretty quickly. I was mad that we wasted a perfect opportunity for Banner 18, but realized I am less invested in basketball than I used to be. I dislike the modern game. I seldom watch any basketball games that aren’t Celtics games. I occasionally watch the WNBA and prefer it to the men’s games. They actually play team basketball.

This is me also. Only I watch old NBA games on youtube rather than WNBA games. I enjoy the old games more than today's league.

Essentially less invested not because I am less interested in basketball but because I find today's basketball less captivating than bball of the past. So I am more checked out than I was before.