JB is a low IQ player

[scaryjerry]

KAT is known for being less than a hard-core competitor. Wasn't that part of Jimmy Butler's problem with him ?

We need to add tough minded guys, not more soft temperaments.

With the way Brown ended the season in a thud  and the super max salary that he demands, it would be very hard to trade for a tough minded all star caliber player.

KAT is not 100% ideal, but I'm willing to let him occupy the center position and let White/Brogdon replace Brown. We also still have 3 young guards/PGs from the previous drafts trying to prove their worth in the  NBA.

I think KAT, in a new environment in Boston, will surprise lots of people.

I’m not going to bother arguing any points other then you penciling in Brogdon as still on this team

Get that bum away from my basketball team.

We blaming players for injuries now? He shouldn’t have played, and he should have known that, but he was still a great addition

Yeah, it's not like he can help that he was injured. Sounds like he sustained the injury and gutted it out against Philly (and he had a solid series) but it progressed to a tear in the ECF. Not sure what part of that qualifies him as a bum.

This is where those claims that there's portions of this fanbase that are toxic stems from.

*yawn*
Brogdon regressed into the guy he really is.
No defense. Always hurt. No accountability.

The irony is everyone is making Brown the scapegoat who was also injured. Only difference was Brogdon made sure everyone knew he was hurt once he couldn’t throw it in the ocean.

I think Brogdan is better as a starter. Not sure he like the 6th man role. Brown just has a long track record of making the same mistakes over and over again. And he's going to get paid a contract that is just ridiculous. I think we all want him to change the bad habits for that kind of money.

I’m not fully against moving brown. I’m skeptical of it because I do love the guy but if he’s not all in in Boston and is going to be the highest paid player in the league…unfortunately can’t do that.
But if our answer is making Brogdon a starter count me out of even caring about watching this team.

Brogdon was terrible this round because of his injury.  He is a gamer and a consistent player, aside from the injury issues.  It seems like he is taking a lot of heat for something that was out of his control.  He may not be THE answer, but I'd hardly call him the problem on this team.

Brogdon had a good regular season and deserved 6th man of the year. Congrats! He regressed into who really is in the playoffs. Turnstile defender who can’t stay healthy. When things went south for him he took no personal accountability and blamed the coaching/defense.
Oh the irony.

Get that guy and his 23 mil a year salary away from the team I root for, thanks.

[jpotter33]

I blame the whole team and organization, Folks.   We win and lose as a team.

Players did not always show up and executed poorly.   The sense of opportunity to win a title was not there, and there was no desperation

Coach Maz struggled at times, he is a work in progress.   He was out coached more often than not.

Brad could have added some valuable depth in the buyout market but we ended up with Justin Champagnie.   This was a useless move.  He resigned Al who appears to be shot.    We could have used some depth.   He did build a good roster and losing Gallinari hurt us but he is more worried about team chemistry than talent.   He also does not realize that this team needs some tough guys on the roster.

All of the above, squandered this opportunity.

I would bet the Dunning Kruger effect applies to many of those criticizing Brown's real and basketball IQ.     JK

Agreed with this, but TP for the last line

Perhaps this is true with his general intelligence as a person, as we see so little of these players outside of the basketball context to truly judge them (though his history of aligning with Kanye and Kyrie so often certainly doesn’t bode well for his judgment).

That said, any reasonable person can see that his BBIQ  is below average to poor, especially for a star-level player. You cannot consistently make the poor decisions that he has throughout his career without coming to the same conclusion. He’s just not a smart basketball player.

[angryguy77]

I would supermax brown under one condition, and that is he yells "LeRoy Jenkins" before driving each and every time. He's that careless and that dumb.

[kraidstar]

KAT is known for being less than a hard-core competitor. Wasn't that part of Jimmy Butler's problem with him ?

We need to add tough minded guys, not more soft temperaments.

With the way Brown ended the season in a thud  and the super max salary that he demands, it would be very hard to trade for a tough minded all star caliber player.

KAT is not 100% ideal, but I'm willing to let him occupy the center position and let White/Brogdon replace Brown. We also still have 3 young guards/PGs from the previous drafts trying to prove their worth in the  NBA.

I think KAT, in a new environment in Boston, will surprise lots of people.

I’m not going to bother arguing any points other then you penciling in Brogdon as still on this team

Get that bum away from my basketball team.

We blaming players for injuries now? He shouldn’t have played, and he should have known that, but he was still a great addition

Yeah, it's not like he can help that he was injured. Sounds like he sustained the injury and gutted it out against Philly (and he had a solid series) but it progressed to a tear in the ECF. Not sure what part of that qualifies him as a bum.

This is where those claims that there's portions of this fanbase that are toxic stems from.

*yawn*
Brogdon regressed into the guy he really is.
No defense. Always hurt. No accountability.

The irony is everyone is making Brown the scapegoat who was also injured. Only difference was Brogdon made sure everyone knew he was hurt once he couldn’t throw it in the ocean.

Brown's injury was mostly mental. If he was hurt - and I've seen no confirmation of this - that doesn't account for the putrid shot selection and terrible ballhandling. We pull the game to within 6 in the 3rd and he chucks up a pullup three with 20 seconds left on the shot clock. That's a mental mistake.

If he was injured, then it's even more concerning that he couldn't adjust his game to stop driving into 3 defenders on multiple plays. Again, that's mental.

He had as many field goals as turnovers. If he's injured to the extent that he can't do what he normally does, then adjust. Figure out another way to impact the game. The problem is he doesn't have the BBIQ to understand when that's what he needs to do.

TP nailed it

[angryguy77]

Brown cares more about his brand and his ego than improving his shaky handle. The pathetic chip on his shoulder is tiring.

Good teams know when to sell high. Goodbye Jaylen. That your mom slammed her door in my kids face on Halloween night is not the least of reasons I can’t wait to see you pound Sand in Orlando.

wait...what?

[jpotter33]

I would supermax brown under one condition, and that is he yells "LeRoy Jenkins" before driving each and every time. He's that careless and that dumb.

😂

Seriously, though, can we put in a clause about turnovers and/or turnover to assist ratio as part of any contract? Or how about a requirement that his buddy Kyrie spends the summer with him in a ball handling clinic.

[kraidstar]

Brown cares more about his brand and his ego than improving his shaky handle. The pathetic chip on his shoulder is tiring.

Good teams know when to sell high. Goodbye Jaylen. That your mom slammed her door in my kids face on Halloween night is not the least of reasons I can’t wait to see you pound Sand in Orlando.

wait...what?

Yeah some elucidation is needed here

[keevsnick]

I blame the whole team and organization, Folks.   We win and lose as a team.

Players did not always show up and executed poorly.   The sense of opportunity to win a title was not there, and there was no desperation

Coach Maz struggled at times, he is a work in progress.   He was out coached more often than not.

Brad could have added some valuable depth in the buyout market but we ended up with Justin Champagnie.   This was a useless move.  He resigned Al who appears to be shot.    We could have used some depth.   He did build a good roster and losing Gallinari hurt us but he is more worried about team chemistry than talent.   He also does not realize that this team needs some tough guys on the roster.

All of the above, squandered this opportunity.

I would bet the Dunning Kruger effect applies to many of those criticizing Brown's real and basketball IQ.     JK

Agreed with this, but TP for the last line

Perhaps this is true with his general intelligence as a person, as we see so little of these players outside of the basketball context to truly judge them (though his history of aligning with Kanye and Kyrie so often certainly doesn’t bode well for his judgment).

That said, any reasonable person can see that his BBIQ  is below average to poor, especially for a star-level player. You cannot consistently make the poor decisions that he has throughout his career without coming to the same conclusion. He’s just not a smart basketball player.

Ya look I don't think his BBIQ is bad, I really don't. I think he has a dribbling problem, that's a skill not BBIQ, which to be fair are words people use interchangeably but probably shouldn't.

What happened in this game is the C's as a whole could not hit a three, and Tatum got hurt first play and Brogdon was already hurt. Tatum, Brogdon, Hit Threes are three of your four ways of generating offense, Brown is the 4th.

So Brown probably rightly thought "I have to make something happen, because if I don't we're screwed." Problem is his shot is off just like everyone else's so he starts pressing, that leads to turnovers, leads to more pressing. But there's not way out, Brogdan was awful,m Tatum can't move, and even in situations Brown makes the right play the c's are throwing up bricks.

It sucks for him because he was put in a situation he isn't equipped to succeed in which was "carry and entire team when nobody else besides Derick White is playing well and the opponent is hitting half there threes."

Jaylen is good as a #2 option, he's not good as "needs to be Kawhi Leonard for us to win."

[kraidstar]

I blame the whole team and organization, Folks.   We win and lose as a team.

Players did not always show up and executed poorly.   The sense of opportunity to win a title was not there, and there was no desperation

Coach Maz struggled at times, he is a work in progress.   He was out coached more often than not.

Brad could have added some valuable depth in the buyout market but we ended up with Justin Champagnie.   This was a useless move.  He resigned Al who appears to be shot.    We could have used some depth.   He did build a good roster and losing Gallinari hurt us but he is more worried about team chemistry than talent.   He also does not realize that this team needs some tough guys on the roster.

All of the above, squandered this opportunity.

I would bet the Dunning Kruger effect applies to many of those criticizing Brown's real and basketball IQ.     JK

Agreed with this, but TP for the last line

Perhaps this is true with his general intelligence as a person, as we see so little of these players outside of the basketball context to truly judge them (though his history of aligning with Kanye and Kyrie so often certainly doesn’t bode well for his judgment).

That said, any reasonable person can see that his BBIQ  is below average to poor, especially for a star-level player. You cannot consistently make the poor decisions that he has throughout his career without coming to the same conclusion. He’s just not a smart basketball player.

Ya look I don't think his BBIQ is bad, I really don't. I think he has a dribbling problem, that's a skill not BBIQ, which to be fair are words people use interchangeably but probably shouldn't.

What happened in this game is the C's as a whole could not hit a three, and Tatum got hurt first play and Brogdon was already hurt. Tatum, Brogdon, Hit Threes are three of your four ways of generating offense, Brown is the 4th.

So Brown probably rightly thought "I have to make something happen, because if I don't we're screwed." Problem is his shot is off just like everyone else's so he starts pressing, that leads to turnovers, leads to more pressing. But there's not way out, Brogdan was awful,m Tatum can't move, and even in situations Brown makes the right play the c's are throwing up bricks.

It sucks for him because he was put in a situation he isn't equipped to succeed in which was "carry and entire team when nobody else besides Derick White is playing well and the opponent is hitting half there threes."

Jaylen is good as a #2 option, he's not good as "needs to be Kawhi Leonard for us to win."

I think he's not a "natural" ball handler.

Some guys can dribble in their sleep. It's second nature and they don't need to devote much mental bandwidth to it. When crunch-time fear starts hogging that bandwidth, guys like Jaylen and even Jayson start losing control of their handle.

And when you are expending all of that energy just to keep control of the ball, it is that much harder to read the court, change speeds, fake out defenders, etc.

As a result we get horrendous turnovers, ill-advised shots, bad balance, and poor ball movement.

[Kernewek]

I would supermax brown under one condition, and that is he yells "LeRoy Jenkins" before driving each and every time. He's that careless and that dumb.

Now that's a reference I wasn't expecting to see today

I blame the whole team and organization, Folks.   We win and lose as a team.

Players did not always show up and executed poorly.   The sense of opportunity to win a title was not there, and there was no desperation

Coach Maz struggled at times, he is a work in progress.   He was out coached more often than not.

Brad could have added some valuable depth in the buyout market but we ended up with Justin Champagnie.   This was a useless move.  He resigned Al who appears to be shot.    We could have used some depth.   He did build a good roster and losing Gallinari hurt us but he is more worried about team chemistry than talent.   He also does not realize that this team needs some tough guys on the roster.

All of the above, squandered this opportunity.

I would bet the Dunning Kruger effect applies to many of those criticizing Brown's real and basketball IQ.     JK

Agreed with this, but TP for the last line

Perhaps this is true with his general intelligence as a person, as we see so little of these players outside of the basketball context to truly judge them (though his history of aligning with Kanye and Kyrie so often certainly doesn’t bode well for his judgment).

That said, any reasonable person can see that his BBIQ  is below average to poor, especially for a star-level player. You cannot consistently make the poor decisions that he has throughout his career without coming to the same conclusion. He’s just not a smart basketball player.

I don't think he's great at making decisions with the ball in his hands. Otherwise I think he's fine?

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

I blame the whole team and organization, Folks.   We win and lose as a team.

Players did not always show up and executed poorly.   The sense of opportunity to win a title was not there, and there was no desperation

Coach Maz struggled at times, he is a work in progress.   He was out coached more often than not.

Brad could have added some valuable depth in the buyout market but we ended up with Justin Champagnie.   This was a useless move.  He resigned Al who appears to be shot.    We could have used some depth.   He did build a good roster and losing Gallinari hurt us but he is more worried about team chemistry than talent.   He also does not realize that this team needs some tough guys on the roster.

All of the above, squandered this opportunity.

I would bet the Dunning Kruger effect applies to many of those criticizing Brown's real and basketball IQ.     JK

Agreed with this, but TP for the last line

Perhaps this is true with his general intelligence as a person, as we see so little of these players outside of the basketball context to truly judge them (though his history of aligning with Kanye and Kyrie so often certainly doesn’t bode well for his judgment).

That said, any reasonable person can see that his BBIQ  is below average to poor, especially for a star-level player. You cannot consistently make the poor decisions that he has throughout his career without coming to the same conclusion. He’s just not a smart basketball player.

Ya look I don't think his BBIQ is bad, I really don't. I think he has a dribbling problem, that's a skill not BBIQ, which to be fair are words people use interchangeably but probably shouldn't.

Dribbling is a skill, but the low BBIQ is evident from his continued insistence on trying to dribble through two or three guys at once—that's difficult for most players, but even more so for a guy who can't dribble. But it's like he thinks he can do it, when he obviously can't, which to me reflects low BBIQ. And that pull-up three he took yesterday when the Cs still had a chance was very ill-advised.

[keevsnick]

I blame the whole team and organization, Folks.   We win and lose as a team.

Players did not always show up and executed poorly.   The sense of opportunity to win a title was not there, and there was no desperation

Coach Maz struggled at times, he is a work in progress.   He was out coached more often than not.

Brad could have added some valuable depth in the buyout market but we ended up with Justin Champagnie.   This was a useless move.  He resigned Al who appears to be shot.    We could have used some depth.   He did build a good roster and losing Gallinari hurt us but he is more worried about team chemistry than talent.   He also does not realize that this team needs some tough guys on the roster.

All of the above, squandered this opportunity.

I would bet the Dunning Kruger effect applies to many of those criticizing Brown's real and basketball IQ.     JK

Agreed with this, but TP for the last line

Perhaps this is true with his general intelligence as a person, as we see so little of these players outside of the basketball context to truly judge them (though his history of aligning with Kanye and Kyrie so often certainly doesn’t bode well for his judgment).

That said, any reasonable person can see that his BBIQ  is below average to poor, especially for a star-level player. You cannot consistently make the poor decisions that he has throughout his career without coming to the same conclusion. He’s just not a smart basketball player.

Ya look I don't think his BBIQ is bad, I really don't. I think he has a dribbling problem, that's a skill not BBIQ, which to be fair are words people use interchangeably but probably shouldn't.

Dribbling is a skill, but the low BBIQ is evident from his continued insistence on trying to dribble through two or three guys at once—that's difficult for most players, but even more so for a guy who can't dribble. But it's like he thinks he can do it, when he obviously can't, which to me reflects low BBIQ. And that pull-up three he took yesterday when the Cs still had a chance was very ill-advised.

But... that wasn't really what happened this game? He threw a bad pass, had two offensive fouls, a travel, and got back tapped twice at least. Like the issue wasn't dribbling into a crowd. The issue was he had to be a #1 option and couldn't.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

I blame the whole team and organization, Folks.   We win and lose as a team.

Players did not always show up and executed poorly.   The sense of opportunity to win a title was not there, and there was no desperation

Coach Maz struggled at times, he is a work in progress.   He was out coached more often than not.

Brad could have added some valuable depth in the buyout market but we ended up with Justin Champagnie.   This was a useless move.  He resigned Al who appears to be shot.    We could have used some depth.   He did build a good roster and losing Gallinari hurt us but he is more worried about team chemistry than talent.   He also does not realize that this team needs some tough guys on the roster.

All of the above, squandered this opportunity.

I would bet the Dunning Kruger effect applies to many of those criticizing Brown's real and basketball IQ.     JK

Agreed with this, but TP for the last line

Perhaps this is true with his general intelligence as a person, as we see so little of these players outside of the basketball context to truly judge them (though his history of aligning with Kanye and Kyrie so often certainly doesn’t bode well for his judgment).

That said, any reasonable person can see that his BBIQ  is below average to poor, especially for a star-level player. You cannot consistently make the poor decisions that he has throughout his career without coming to the same conclusion. He’s just not a smart basketball player.

Ya look I don't think his BBIQ is bad, I really don't. I think he has a dribbling problem, that's a skill not BBIQ, which to be fair are words people use interchangeably but probably shouldn't.

Dribbling is a skill, but the low BBIQ is evident from his continued insistence on trying to dribble through two or three guys at once—that's difficult for most players, but even more so for a guy who can't dribble. But it's like he thinks he can do it, when he obviously can't, which to me reflects low BBIQ. And that pull-up three he took yesterday when the Cs still had a chance was very ill-advised.

But... that wasn't really what happened this game? He threw a bad pass, had two offensive fouls, a travel, and got back tapped twice at least. Like the issue wasn't dribbling into a crowd. The issue was he had to be a #1 option and couldn't.

Except it was an issue, at least once. There was a play early in the first quarter where he brought the ball over halfcourt, on the left side, and tried shooting down the left sideline against two defenders, with a third defender nearby guarding another Celtic, and Brown lost the handle, then tried to get the ball back but committed a foul in the process. It was a classic Brown flub, then he compounded it by committing an early foul.

[keevsnick]

I blame the whole team and organization, Folks.   We win and lose as a team.

Players did not always show up and executed poorly.   The sense of opportunity to win a title was not there, and there was no desperation

Coach Maz struggled at times, he is a work in progress.   He was out coached more often than not.

Brad could have added some valuable depth in the buyout market but we ended up with Justin Champagnie.   This was a useless move.  He resigned Al who appears to be shot.    We could have used some depth.   He did build a good roster and losing Gallinari hurt us but he is more worried about team chemistry than talent.   He also does not realize that this team needs some tough guys on the roster.

All of the above, squandered this opportunity.

I would bet the Dunning Kruger effect applies to many of those criticizing Brown's real and basketball IQ.     JK

Agreed with this, but TP for the last line

Perhaps this is true with his general intelligence as a person, as we see so little of these players outside of the basketball context to truly judge them (though his history of aligning with Kanye and Kyrie so often certainly doesn’t bode well for his judgment).

That said, any reasonable person can see that his BBIQ  is below average to poor, especially for a star-level player. You cannot consistently make the poor decisions that he has throughout his career without coming to the same conclusion. He’s just not a smart basketball player.

Ya look I don't think his BBIQ is bad, I really don't. I think he has a dribbling problem, that's a skill not BBIQ, which to be fair are words people use interchangeably but probably shouldn't.

Dribbling is a skill, but the low BBIQ is evident from his continued insistence on trying to dribble through two or three guys at once—that's difficult for most players, but even more so for a guy who can't dribble. But it's like he thinks he can do it, when he obviously can't, which to me reflects low BBIQ. And that pull-up three he took yesterday when the Cs still had a chance was very ill-advised.

But... that wasn't really what happened this game? He threw a bad pass, had two offensive fouls, a travel, and got back tapped twice at least. Like the issue wasn't dribbling into a crowd. The issue was he had to be a #1 option and couldn't.

Except it was an issue, at least once. There was a play early in the first quarter where he brought the ball over halfcourt, on the left side, and tried shooting down the left sideline against two defenders, with a third defender nearby guarding another Celtic, and Brown lost the handle, then tried to get the ball back but committed a foul in the process. It was a classic Brown flub, then he compounded it by committing an early foul.

Look, a lot of players try to do too much when things fall apart. Brown falls into that category. So does Tatum sometimes, so does Smart. It sucks, but Brown saw Tatum hobbled, brogdon out, the team throwing up bricks, and as a result he pressed. I don't like what i saw, but i get why it happened. Thats all i'm saying.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

I blame the whole team and organization, Folks.   We win and lose as a team.

Players did not always show up and executed poorly.   The sense of opportunity to win a title was not there, and there was no desperation

Coach Maz struggled at times, he is a work in progress.   He was out coached more often than not.

Brad could have added some valuable depth in the buyout market but we ended up with Justin Champagnie.   This was a useless move.  He resigned Al who appears to be shot.    We could have used some depth.   He did build a good roster and losing Gallinari hurt us but he is more worried about team chemistry than talent.   He also does not realize that this team needs some tough guys on the roster.

All of the above, squandered this opportunity.

I would bet the Dunning Kruger effect applies to many of those criticizing Brown's real and basketball IQ.     JK

Agreed with this, but TP for the last line

Perhaps this is true with his general intelligence as a person, as we see so little of these players outside of the basketball context to truly judge them (though his history of aligning with Kanye and Kyrie so often certainly doesn’t bode well for his judgment).

That said, any reasonable person can see that his BBIQ  is below average to poor, especially for a star-level player. You cannot consistently make the poor decisions that he has throughout his career without coming to the same conclusion. He’s just not a smart basketball player.

Ya look I don't think his BBIQ is bad, I really don't. I think he has a dribbling problem, that's a skill not BBIQ, which to be fair are words people use interchangeably but probably shouldn't.

Dribbling is a skill, but the low BBIQ is evident from his continued insistence on trying to dribble through two or three guys at once—that's difficult for most players, but even more so for a guy who can't dribble. But it's like he thinks he can do it, when he obviously can't, which to me reflects low BBIQ. And that pull-up three he took yesterday when the Cs still had a chance was very ill-advised.

But... that wasn't really what happened this game? He threw a bad pass, had two offensive fouls, a travel, and got back tapped twice at least. Like the issue wasn't dribbling into a crowd. The issue was he had to be a #1 option and couldn't.

Except it was an issue, at least once. There was a play early in the first quarter where he brought the ball over halfcourt, on the left side, and tried shooting down the left sideline against two defenders, with a third defender nearby guarding another Celtic, and Brown lost the handle, then tried to get the ball back but committed a foul in the process. It was a classic Brown flub, then he compounded it by committing an early foul.

Look, a lot of players try to do too much when things fall apart. Brown falls into that category. So does Tatum sometimes, so does Smart. It sucks, but Brown saw Tatum hobbled, brogdon out, the team throwing up bricks, and as a result he pressed. I don't like what i saw, but i get why it happened. Thats all i'm saying.

Point taken. And I don't want to argue. At this point, I'm just so frustrated with this team that I'm trying to avoid saying much of anything about them, because most of what would come out of my mouth would be negative, LOL.