Let's talk about Joe...

[angryguy77]

On Joe I have three things,

Late game= I prefer to let guys gain experience and feel things out like Joe does late game. The playoffs can have that feel the entire 4qtrs of games so better to get used to the pressure than keep bailing players out with time outs. The regular season is for building so let guys build resistance to the pressure.

DNPs= The rotations, lineups and including player days-off seems the bigger issues. Not sure if that is management team or Joe himself. Why are guys not sketchy with their playing time?

Effort=Too often guys aren't dialed in or ready to compete. Specifically they are not willing to grind against lesser teams. Not sure if that is on Joe though.

You get TO's in the playoffs.....

 What's the point of having a coach if he's going to fold his arms and become a spectator in the final seconds of a game?

He's being doing this all year and last night the team obviously hasn't learned from it. I ask exactly what is being gained?
This is a group of playoff veterans, they're not some rooks who don't know pressure. I'm really struggling to see what exactly they're going to learn that they haven't learned in their decades of playing BB.

It's a dereliction of duty and he's potentially cost us games doing so. As a coach, he is supposed to put his guys in the best position possible to win, not treat them like this is some kind of developmental league. Honestly, it's insulating to his players that he treats them with such disrespect that he feels he has to teach them how to handle closing a game out.

[Who]

4. Tatum has a better relationship with Ime and that doesn’t equate to a better Head Coach.

Mark Jackson played for some great head coaches like Pat Riley, Larry Brown, Jerry Sloan as well as Jeff Van Gundy and Larry Bird.

His favourite coach? Rick Pitino.

Mark Jackson played for him as a rookie in New York. Jackson loved the confidence Pitino instilled in him.

[SparzWizard]

On Joe I have three things,

Late game= I prefer to let guys gain experience and feel things out like Joe does late game. The playoffs can have that feel the entire 4qtrs of games so better to get used to the pressure than keep bailing players out with time outs. The regular season is for building so let guys build resistance to the pressure.

DNPs= The rotations, lineups and including player days-off seems the bigger issues. Not sure if that is management team or Joe himself. Why are guys not sketchy with their playing time?

Effort=Too often guys aren't dialed in or ready to compete. Specifically they are not willing to grind against lesser teams. Not sure if that is on Joe though.

You get TO's in the playoffs.....

 What's the point of having a coach if he's going to fold his arms and become a spectator in the final seconds of a game?

He's being doing this all year and last night the team obviously hasn't learned from it. I ask exactly what is being gained?
This is a group of playoff veterans, they're not some rooks who don't know pressure. I'm really struggling to see what exactly they're going to learn that they haven't learned in their decades of playing BB.

It's a dereliction of duty and he's potentially cost us games doing so. As a coach, he is supposed to put his guys in the best position possible to win, not treat them like this is some kind of developmental league. Honestly, it's insulating to his players that he treats them with such disrespect that he feels he has to teach them how to handle closing a game out.

Exactly, he's a coach and he should be dialing up plays and calling timeouts often. It's what hes literally hired for, among other responsibilities. You can't just shift a responsibility to someone else and especially if they don't know how to make it work after 50 something games.

At that point, don't hire a coach and run every game coach-less. That would be an abomination down the stretch.

[Finkelskyhook]

Just curious....

Does anybody know what the number of times Quickley can drive the exact same way into the paint for a 10ft jumper or layup before adjustments are made?  We obvously didn't reach the number last night.

[Csfan1984]

On Joe I have three things,

Late game= I prefer to let guys gain experience and feel things out like Joe does late game. The playoffs can have that feel the entire 4qtrs of games so better to get used to the pressure than keep bailing players out with time outs. The regular season is for building so let guys build resistance to the pressure.

DNPs= The rotations, lineups and including player days-off seems the bigger issues. Not sure if that is management team or Joe himself. Why are guys not sketchy with their playing time?

Effort=Too often guys aren't dialed in or ready to compete. Specifically they are not willing to grind against lesser teams. Not sure if that is on Joe though.

You get TO's in the playoffs.....

 What's the point of having a coach if he's going to fold his arms and become a spectator in the final seconds of a game?

He's being doing this all year and last night the team obviously hasn't learned from it. I ask exactly what is being gained?
This is a group of playoff veterans, they're not some rooks who don't know pressure. I'm really struggling to see what exactly they're going to learn that they haven't learned in their decades of playing BB.

It's a dereliction of duty and he's potentially cost us games doing so. As a coach, he is supposed to put his guys in the best position possible to win, not treat them like this is some kind of developmental league. Honestly, it's insulating to his players that he treats them with such disrespect that he feels he has to teach them how to handle closing a game out.

I already told you my opinion. The point is for them to get used to higher pressure. If they are still failing then they haven't gotten used to it. This team folded in the finals and a lot was because they couldn't handle the moment. They need to learn resolve even if they lose a few games.

[angryguy77]

On Joe I have three things,

Late game= I prefer to let guys gain experience and feel things out like Joe does late game. The playoffs can have that feel the entire 4qtrs of games so better to get used to the pressure than keep bailing players out with time outs. The regular season is for building so let guys build resistance to the pressure.

DNPs= The rotations, lineups and including player days-off seems the bigger issues. Not sure if that is management team or Joe himself. Why are guys not sketchy with their playing time?

Effort=Too often guys aren't dialed in or ready to compete. Specifically they are not willing to grind against lesser teams. Not sure if that is on Joe though.

You get TO's in the playoffs.....

 What's the point of having a coach if he's going to fold his arms and become a spectator in the final seconds of a game?

He's being doing this all year and last night the team obviously hasn't learned from it. I ask exactly what is being gained?
This is a group of playoff veterans, they're not some rooks who don't know pressure. I'm really struggling to see what exactly they're going to learn that they haven't learned in their decades of playing BB.

It's a dereliction of duty and he's potentially cost us games doing so. As a coach, he is supposed to put his guys in the best position possible to win, not treat them like this is some kind of developmental league. Honestly, it's insulating to his players that he treats them with such disrespect that he feels he has to teach them how to handle closing a game out.

I already told you my opinion. The point is for them to get used to higher pressure. If they are still failing then they haven't gotten used to it. This team folded in the finals and a lot was because they couldn't handle the moment. They need to learn resolve even if they lose a few games.

They are not used to pressure? Last years' playoffs were a walk in the park? Game 7's in both series against the bucks and heat were high pressure.

They were out played in the finals partly due to being run through the meat grinder in the EC playoffs.

The can resolve the issue, it's the job of the coach to......coach them through those times.

 

[celticinorlando]

Not having white in the game late in the 4th and in overtimes was just plain bad.

[Csfan1984]

On Joe I have three things,

Late game= I prefer to let guys gain experience and feel things out like Joe does late game. The playoffs can have that feel the entire 4qtrs of games so better to get used to the pressure than keep bailing players out with time outs. The regular season is for building so let guys build resistance to the pressure.

DNPs= The rotations, lineups and including player days-off seems the bigger issues. Not sure if that is management team or Joe himself. Why are guys not sketchy with their playing time?

Effort=Too often guys aren't dialed in or ready to compete. Specifically they are not willing to grind against lesser teams. Not sure if that is on Joe though.

You get TO's in the playoffs.....

 What's the point of having a coach if he's going to fold his arms and become a spectator in the final seconds of a game?

He's being doing this all year and last night the team obviously hasn't learned from it. I ask exactly what is being gained?
This is a group of playoff veterans, they're not some rooks who don't know pressure. I'm really struggling to see what exactly they're going to learn that they haven't learned in their decades of playing BB.

It's a dereliction of duty and he's potentially cost us games doing so. As a coach, he is supposed to put his guys in the best position possible to win, not treat them like this is some kind of developmental league. Honestly, it's insulating to his players that he treats them with such disrespect that he feels he has to teach them how to handle closing a game out.

I already told you my opinion. The point is for them to get used to higher pressure. If they are still failing then they haven't gotten used to it. This team folded in the finals and a lot was because they couldn't handle the moment. They need to learn resolve even if they lose a few games.

They are not used to pressure? Last years' playoffs were a walk in the park? Game 7's in both series against the bucks and heat were high pressure.

They were out played in the finals partly due to being run through the meat grinder in the EC playoffs.

The can resolve the issue, it's the job of the coach to......coach them through those times.

Meat grinder? They swept the most talented team round one. They made the second best team that was missing their second best player tap it's final game by half time (but it was a series). Then in ECF their easiest opponent they almost joked. In Finals they did joke after they were up and nearly closing out a dagger game that could have sealed the series.

Things getting harder for them each round wasn't talent or fatigue or battles. Going through the EC was about the pressure that is why the team grew worse in each round. Had they played every team as focused and as hard as the Nets they would have won it all. Joe needs to let them grow mentally and learn from tight spots.

[Roy H.]

Jay King: Joe Mazzulla said he made a mistake not playing Derrick White late in last night’s game.
– via Twitter ByJayKing

[Silas]

Jay King: Joe Mazzulla said he made a mistake not playing Derrick White late in last night’s game.
– via Twitter ByJayKing

You would think that one of Joe's assistants might have mentioned that D White was available.

[86MaxwellSmart]

Jay King: Joe Mazzulla said he made a mistake not playing Derrick White late in last night’s game.
– via Twitter ByJayKing

You would think that one of Joe's assistants might have mentioned that D White was available.

Man these guys are in over their heads, and they're in charge of The Boston Celtics. SMH

[blink]

Jay King: Joe Mazzulla said he made a mistake not playing Derrick White late in last night’s game.
– via Twitter ByJayKing

You would think that one of Joe's assistants might have mentioned that D White was available.

I don't know why Joe even says this stuff after the fact.  So frustrating.  Is he trolling the interviewer?  Or did he forget how well White has played lately?  Part of me thinks he just trusts Smart (and the other starters) more.  But even that should have its limits.

[Indocelts]

I always despised Joe’s hands off approach in crunch time as I don’t think our players can handle it, as shown time and time again. Remember, Tatum has a high turnover rate during crunch time this season. Coincidence?

[Roy H.]

I always despised Joe’s hands off approach in crunch time...

I consider it to be the George Costanza approach to coaching.  No timeouts, no adjustments.  It's all part of the plan.

[Indocelts]

1.  What strengths / weaknesses does he have as a coach?


Here's why we're in the current situation we are:  Joe's gone to a playoff rotation way too soon. He's shortened it to 7 guys - filling in as needed. And the results have been two fold. Grant has lost his rhythm at both ends of the court - though he played well defensively last night. He's lost Pritchard. He's probably lost Luke as contributor. Muscala hasn't really been effective being used this way. And then secondly, his vets/stars are either tired or aren't bringing it every night - or for significant portions of games. We've been watching the later over the past two games (and late in the Cavs win if you want to throw that in)..

This.

He lost his bench players and relied too much to Tatum, Brown and Smart to make the 3s, rather than giving it to Brogdon, White and Horford.