2023 Official NBA Trade Deadline/Buyout Thread

[#1P4P]

I’m wondering if guys are signing elsewhere in part because the Celts aren’t offering the DPE.

have we not used the DPE because we are still waiting for more buyouts, or a magical unicorn to appear?
maybe there are still some buyouts that are coming that non-NBA insiders don't know about?

Or maybe Kyrie’s bad-mouthing is making it hard for us to attract a good buyout guy?

Or maybe… 1. We haven’t requested their services because the buyouts have been Guards, we have 5, and we don’t need them; and, 2. players and agents want a promise of playing time that we won’t give them.

[Celtics2021]

I’m wondering if guys are signing elsewhere in part because the Celts aren’t offering the DPE.

have we not used the DPE because we are still waiting for more buyouts, or a magical unicorn to appear?
maybe there are still some buyouts that are coming that non-NBA insiders don't know about?

Or maybe Kyrie’s bad-mouthing is making it hard for us to attract a good buyout guy?

Or maybe:

(1) The Cs front office isn’t wild about any of the guys available. They’ve largely moved on from the weakest players on the roster, and each of the “best” buyout players comes with a big ?, at least.

or

(2) Buyout guys who look at the Boston depth chart think: I’m going to sit the bench if I go there. If they go to Phoenix, the Suns just traded away three rotation players to get Durant - there is opportunity. The Clippers PG situation is a mess. Cs are the deepest team in the league.

I still think we may pick somebody up - I can’t say what Brad and co think if Barton and Green - but I don’t think the issue is popularity or that the FO is stingy. There has to be an opportunity that makes sense to both sides.

I think it’s absolutely #2.  Will Barton is getting a buyout because he doesn’t like his role — he’s not going to sign up somewhere where he might get DNPs.  And Stevens is going to be honest with whomever he signs — he wants someone ready if their number is called, but who understands it might not get called every night.  Lying to someone and say they’ve got guaranteed minutes is just going to add an upset player to the locker room, and there isn’t anyone out there good enough promise minutes to.  Some have a better chance than others to get minutes, but none are going to walk into a rotation role.

[Phantom255x]

I don't think the money is as much a factor as I think people are making it out to be. Something to keep in mind is a lot of these buyout guys probably already have gotten a lot of money over their careers. And some of them are probably seeking another lucrative contract after, but that can only be possible if they play well for a team. Meaning more minutes and opportunity.

The C's can offer a little more money but probably not as much opportunity/minutes as others.

I still hope we get Barton or Johnson. But if those guys go elsewhere, I think the C's do nothing else

[Roy H.]

I’m wondering if guys are signing elsewhere in part because the Celts aren’t offering the DPE.

have we not used the DPE because we are still waiting for more buyouts, or a magical unicorn to appear?
maybe there are still some buyouts that are coming that non-NBA insiders don't know about?

Or maybe Kyrie’s bad-mouthing is making it hard for us to attract a good buyout guy?

Or maybe:

(1) The Cs front office isn’t wild about any of the guys available. They’ve largely moved on from the weakest players on the roster, and each of the “best” buyout players comes with a big ?, at least.

or

(2) Buyout guys who look at the Boston depth chart think: I’m going to sit the bench if I go there. If they go to Phoenix, the Suns just traded away three rotation players to get Durant - there is opportunity. The Clippers PG situation is a mess. Cs are the deepest team in the league.

I still think we may pick somebody up - I can’t say what Brad and co think if Barton and Green - but I don’t think the issue is popularity or that the FO is stingy. There has to be an opportunity that makes sense to both sides.

I think it’s absolutely #2.  Will Barton is getting a buyout because he doesn’t like his role — he’s not going to sign up somewhere where he might get DNPs.  And Stevens is going to be honest with whomever he signs — he wants someone ready if their number is called, but who understands it might not get called every night.  Lying to someone and say they’ve got guaranteed minutes is just going to add an upset player to the locker room, and there isn’t anyone out there good enough promise minutes to.  Some have a better chance than others to get minutes, but none are going to walk into a rotation role.

We have an extra $2 million or more to make up for the difference in role.  Most guys value money over minutes, so it’s likely that the Celtics aren’t offering it.

[Celtics2021]

I’m wondering if guys are signing elsewhere in part because the Celts aren’t offering the DPE.

have we not used the DPE because we are still waiting for more buyouts, or a magical unicorn to appear?
maybe there are still some buyouts that are coming that non-NBA insiders don't know about?

Or maybe Kyrie’s bad-mouthing is making it hard for us to attract a good buyout guy?

Or maybe:

(1) The Cs front office isn’t wild about any of the guys available. They’ve largely moved on from the weakest players on the roster, and each of the “best” buyout players comes with a big ?, at least.

or

(2) Buyout guys who look at the Boston depth chart think: I’m going to sit the bench if I go there. If they go to Phoenix, the Suns just traded away three rotation players to get Durant - there is opportunity. The Clippers PG situation is a mess. Cs are the deepest team in the league.

I still think we may pick somebody up - I can’t say what Brad and co think if Barton and Green - but I don’t think the issue is popularity or that the FO is stingy. There has to be an opportunity that makes sense to both sides.

I think it’s absolutely #2.  Will Barton is getting a buyout because he doesn’t like his role — he’s not going to sign up somewhere where he might get DNPs.  And Stevens is going to be honest with whomever he signs — he wants someone ready if their number is called, but who understands it might not get called every night.  Lying to someone and say they’ve got guaranteed minutes is just going to add an upset player to the locker room, and there isn’t anyone out there good enough promise minutes to.  Some have a better chance than others to get minutes, but none are going to walk into a rotation role.

We have an extra $2 million or more to make up for the difference in role.  Most guys value money over minutes, so it’s likely that the Celtics aren’t offering it.

I think you’re overrating money for a short-season signing. First of all, unless something different is negotiated by the player and team, half of every dollar above the minimum salary earned goes back to the original team, so our relative purchasing power can be limited.  Secondly, for players concerned about money, having a bigger role will help them earn more in their next contract if they seek to sign for more than the vet min over the summer.

The extra money the Celtics have to offer isn’t nothing, but it also isn’t everything.

[gouki88]

Reggie Jackson was a great get for Denver

G: Jamal Murray, Reggie Jackson
G: K Caldwell-Pope
F: Michael Porter Jr, Bruce Brown
F: Aaron Gordon
C: Nikola Jokic, Thomas Bryant


They now have a solid 8 man rotation. Some Jeff Green as a 9th man option. I am not that convinced by T Bryant but the top 7 guys are very good. Hopefully Bryant will be sufficient.

The Denver Nuggets are amazing. Best starting line-up. This year could be Jokic' his first title.

Their starting lineup is much worse than Smart-Brown-Tatum-Horford-Williams, or Smart-White-Brown-Tatum-Horford

[radiohead]

Brad mentioned that whoever the buyout candidate is, he should be okay with “not playing but be ready to play” much like the way that Blake Griffin and PP are. Maybe that’s the reason why the early buyout guys signed elsewhere. I would imagine Will Barton too would want some playing time. Hopefully Brad can sell the situation well to whoever we want to sign.

[liam]

Brad mentioned that whoever the buyout candidate is, he should be okay with “not playing but be ready to play” much like the way that Blake Griffin and PP are. Maybe that’s the reason why the early buyout guys signed elsewhere. I would imagine Will Barton too would want some playing time. Hopefully Brad can sell the situation well to whoever we want to sign.

Sounds like Stanly Johnson.... 

[Roy H.]

Brad mentioned that whoever the buyout candidate is, he should be okay with “not playing but be ready to play” much like the way that Blake Griffin and PP are. Maybe that’s the reason why the early buyout guys signed elsewhere. I would imagine Will Barton too would want some playing time. Hopefully Brad can sell the situation well to whoever we want to sign.

Yep, here are his quotes:

“We could decide to address that with another wing,” Stevens said. “But the reality of our team is, again, if we bring in somebody that needs to play 20 minutes, then Derrick White and Malcolm Brogdon off the bench don’t play as much, right? And then Grant Williams doesn’t play as much. We have a lot of options that we can push the guards up – Smart, Brogdon, White can play more wing, and Grant can play a smaller big and now we can play bigger. So whatever we call wings and bigs these days, it’s just a bunch of dudes that can play and hopefully make each other better.”

“there’s a lot of different ways to look at it,” Stevens said. “But I think the way that you phrased it is, yeah, ‘can play but doesn’t need to play.’ And that’s a hard needle to thread, right? And I don’t blame anybody that wouldn’t want to fill that role. But I think we’re really deep right now. And we already have a bunch of guys that are giving up for one cause, and they’ve done it. And before you got in here I was talking about what Blake’s meant and his ability to just step in the other night after not playing a lot and his willingness to do that, which is not an easy thing to do. And you know if there was something that moves the needle even differently, then we have to consider it, obviously. But I think that that’s probably the most likely thing.”

“You’ll look at it and you will decide, okay, is there somebody that fits that need and who’s really excited to be here if that’s the case,” Stevens explained. “Or is it do you feel like you’ve got that all filled and maybe invest in a younger player. And so we’re going to assess all that over the next few days and try to figure it out.”

[Celtics2021]

Is there another Sam Hauser we can stash for next year?  For those who watch the Maine Celtics, is Luka Samanic viable?  I’d prefer someone for this year, obviously, but if that doesn’t happen, there are other ways to effectively utilize the last spot.

[Vermont Green]

Brad mentioned that whoever the buyout candidate is, he should be okay with “not playing but be ready to play” much like the way that Blake Griffin and PP are. Maybe that’s the reason why the early buyout guys signed elsewhere. I would imagine Will Barton too would want some playing time. Hopefully Brad can sell the situation well to whoever we want to sign.

Sounds like Stanly Johnson.... 

I am really surprised by all the Stanley Johnson talk.  I had totally written him off as a bust but then I look and see that he is 45% from 3 this season (after compiling a career 30% mark over 7 seasons).  So is this just a fluke or has he figured something out?  He is only 26 years old right now (27 in May) so if he has finally figured something out, it could be the right time to get him.  But if he has figured it out, why are they releasing him?  Why let him go?

I admit I have not seen him actually play in a while.  People are saying that he plays great defense and has a high overall motor.  If he has finally figured out some shooting touch, he would be a great get.  Not so much to help this season but as a prospect.  We can't afford to keep too many prospects on the roster, we are giving up one roster spot to Gallinari already, but he may be able to fit into the 14th spot.  And at worst, he is probably an upgrade over Jackson for the here and now.

It’s worth noting that Johnson was ineligible to be traded since a player has to be with a team for three months before he can be traded, and Johnson signed with the Spurs in mid-December. He almost instantly brought a new level of energy to the bench, averaging 5.8 points, 3.2 rebounds and 2.2 assists on a career high 45% shooting from three in 30 games. He will definitely be a useful piece to a contending team.

https://www.poundingtherock.com/2023/2/12/23596740/report-the-spurs-have-waived-stanley-johnson

[Roy H.]

Is there another Sam Hauser we can stash for next year?  For those who watch the Maine Celtics, is Luka Samanic viable?  I’d prefer someone for this year, obviously, but if that doesn’t happen, there are other ways to effectively utilize the last spot.

The games I've watched, he looks like a career minor leaguer to me.  He seems a little stiff and seemingly lacks a good BBIQ.  So much of his game in the G-league is based upon his size, and I don't think that works as well in the NBA.

The best guy I've seen this year is Marial Shayok.  I get the sense that he's pretty streaky, and he doesn't have great NBA size.  He does seem to be a fairly smart player, but I don't see much NBA potential.

But, if we can't find anybody to fill the spot, we may as well sign somebody to a minimum deal on the last day of the season, and give them a second year non-guaranteed so that we can package aggregate them in a trade.

[Roy H.]

Brad mentioned that whoever the buyout candidate is, he should be okay with “not playing but be ready to play” much like the way that Blake Griffin and PP are. Maybe that’s the reason why the early buyout guys signed elsewhere. I would imagine Will Barton too would want some playing time. Hopefully Brad can sell the situation well to whoever we want to sign.

Sounds like Stanly Johnson.... 

I am really surprised by all the Stanley Johnson talk.  I had totally written him off as a bust but then I look and see that he is 45% from 3 this season (after compiling a career 30% mark over 7 seasons).  So is this just a fluke or has he figured something out?  He is only 26 years old right now (27 in May) so if he has finally figured something out, it could be the right time to get him.  But if he has figured it out, why are they releasing him?  Why let him go?

I admit I have not seen him actually play in a while.  People are saying that he plays great defense and has a high overall motor.  If he has finally figured out some shooting touch, he would be a great get.  Not so much to help this season but as a prospect.  We can't afford to keep too many prospects on the roster, we are giving up one roster spot to Gallinari already, but he may be able to fit into the 14th spot.  And at worst, he is probably an upgrade over Jackson for the here and now.

It’s worth noting that Johnson was ineligible to be traded since a player has to be with a team for three months before he can be traded, and Johnson signed with the Spurs in mid-December. He almost instantly brought a new level of energy to the bench, averaging 5.8 points, 3.2 rebounds and 2.2 assists on a career high 45% shooting from three in 30 games. He will definitely be a useful piece to a contending team.

https://www.poundingtherock.com/2023/2/12/23596740/report-the-spurs-have-waived-stanley-johnson

He's been showing that he can be a competent NBA forward for awhile now, but I do suspect that the outside shooting is a bit of a fluke.  We're talking about 18 makes over the course of the season.

[celticinorlando]

Not really worried about any other team but Milwaukee

[Vermont Green]

The former eighth-overall pick worked on his three-point shot with a well-respected shooting coach in the offseason and it has instantly paid off this season. Even if he is only taking 1.3 attempts per game, a 45% three-point rate is nothing to scoff at.

https://lakeshowlife.com/2023/02/12/lakers-stanley-johnson-reunion-spurs/

The Lakers' forums seem excited to have a chance to get him back.  The 45% shooting is probably not going to hold up and certainly not if he is forced into any pressure situations but if he can maintain even 35%, he could still be a useful player.

I have to wonder, why wait 7 seasons to get a shooting coach?  He was a career 322 for 1074 (29.98%) for 7 seasons.  Anyway, I am sure he is in the consideration mix for the last slot.  I don't think we are going to get Barton or Burks, Ross is going to go to the Suns, so why not Stanley Johnson?