Celtics Trade Deadline

[Goldstar88]

No chance Utah would have interest in this trade.  They may consider a Grant for Vanderbilt trade but beyond that the C's are giving up nothing that would cause them to even pick up the phone.  Pritchard at this point wouldn't be in their rotation either.  Utah traded Bogdanovic pretty much straight up for Olynyk in the summer, I doubt they are going to give him away now.  Gay is playable Gallo is not.

I think the C’s would likely have to attach a first round pick as well. I’m not high on Vanderbilt, he can’t shoot, but I’d much rather have Kelly than Grant.

I have watched all of Utah's games this year and in my opinion the C's should not be interested in Vanderbilt at all.  He doesn't fit with Timelord at all and next to Horford wouldn't be great either.  Much prefer Grant in both cases.  Playing him as a small ball center isn't good either.

I agree, but I’d rather have Kelly over Grant. He’s a legit 4/5. Utah is full rebuild and Olynyk being over 30 doesn’t fit their timeline. Grant and Pritchard do, though. Then throw in the C’s first round pick for this year…. That makes a lot of sense for both teams.

we don't have our first pick this year -- went to Indy in the Brogdon deal.  I wouldn't be throwing a first rounder in for either KO or Vanderbilt.  each is a bench guy that isn't going to be someone you want on the court in the final minutes of a game.

Well, you are dealing with Danny Ainge, so good luck not giving up something that you didn't want to. Lol.

And this is why a trade won’t get made.  Neither of those two are worth a first to the Celtics, and Olynyk especially isn’t because we’d have to also give up at least someone on the fringe of the rotation to make salaries work.

Other than Rob, I can’t think of any players the C’s have had success drafting in the late 20’s. I mean, the last two picks in the teens were not very good with Langford and Nesmith. What’s that old saying, “A bird in the hand…” Would much rather have the proven players.

It’s not about how the Celtics have drafted (especially considering Stevens wasn’t the one making those picks), it’s a) what 1st-round picks are worth across the league and b) the limit of how many firsts you can trade.  The Celtics have 3 first rounders they can trade through the next trade deadline.  Trade one now and you’re down to two.  So if you make that trade, it really needs be for someone who’s more than the 8th or 9th man in your rotation, with the possible exception of a player on his rookie scale contract you hope to control for 5-6 seasons.  Secondly, the last two firsts the Celtics have traded have been for Malcolm Brogdon and Derrick White, who are a) better, b) on longer contracts, and c) younger (than Olynyk).

I don’t think a pick in the high 20’s has a ton of value around the league. The draft, especially late first round, is a complete crapshoot. Olynyk is a sure thing. He would immediately be the best big off the C’s bench by a wide margin and could be a huge piece for a playoff run this season and next.

[Celtics2021]

No chance Utah would have interest in this trade.  They may consider a Grant for Vanderbilt trade but beyond that the C's are giving up nothing that would cause them to even pick up the phone.  Pritchard at this point wouldn't be in their rotation either.  Utah traded Bogdanovic pretty much straight up for Olynyk in the summer, I doubt they are going to give him away now.  Gay is playable Gallo is not.

I think the C’s would likely have to attach a first round pick as well. I’m not high on Vanderbilt, he can’t shoot, but I’d much rather have Kelly than Grant.

I have watched all of Utah's games this year and in my opinion the C's should not be interested in Vanderbilt at all.  He doesn't fit with Timelord at all and next to Horford wouldn't be great either.  Much prefer Grant in both cases.  Playing him as a small ball center isn't good either.

I agree, but I’d rather have Kelly over Grant. He’s a legit 4/5. Utah is full rebuild and Olynyk being over 30 doesn’t fit their timeline. Grant and Pritchard do, though. Then throw in the C’s first round pick for this year…. That makes a lot of sense for both teams.

we don't have our first pick this year -- went to Indy in the Brogdon deal.  I wouldn't be throwing a first rounder in for either KO or Vanderbilt.  each is a bench guy that isn't going to be someone you want on the court in the final minutes of a game.

Well, you are dealing with Danny Ainge, so good luck not giving up something that you didn't want to. Lol.

And this is why a trade won’t get made.  Neither of those two are worth a first to the Celtics, and Olynyk especially isn’t because we’d have to also give up at least someone on the fringe of the rotation to make salaries work.

Other than Rob, I can’t think of any players the C’s have had success drafting in the late 20’s. I mean, the last two picks in the teens were not very good with Langford and Nesmith. What’s that old saying, “A bird in the hand…” Would much rather have the proven players.

It’s not about how the Celtics have drafted (especially considering Stevens wasn’t the one making those picks), it’s a) what 1st-round picks are worth across the league and b) the limit of how many firsts you can trade.  The Celtics have 3 first rounders they can trade through the next trade deadline.  Trade one now and you’re down to two.  So if you make that trade, it really needs be for someone who’s more than the 8th or 9th man in your rotation, with the possible exception of a player on his rookie scale contract you hope to control for 5-6 seasons.  Secondly, the last two firsts the Celtics have traded have been for Malcolm Brogdon and Derrick White, who are a) better, b) on longer contracts, and c) younger (than Olynyk).

I don’t think a pick in the high 20’s has a ton of value around the league. The draft, especially late first round, is a complete crapshoot. Olynyk is a sure thing. He would immediately be the best big off the C’s bench by a wide margin and could be a huge piece for a playoff run this season and next.

The Celtics literally got Malcolm Brogdon for a presumed pick in the late 20s and one of the draft choices (Nesmith) that you panned all of 7 months ago.  Brogdon >> than Olynyk.  This argument holds zero water.

[Goldstar88]

No chance Utah would have interest in this trade.  They may consider a Grant for Vanderbilt trade but beyond that the C's are giving up nothing that would cause them to even pick up the phone.  Pritchard at this point wouldn't be in their rotation either.  Utah traded Bogdanovic pretty much straight up for Olynyk in the summer, I doubt they are going to give him away now.  Gay is playable Gallo is not.

I think the C’s would likely have to attach a first round pick as well. I’m not high on Vanderbilt, he can’t shoot, but I’d much rather have Kelly than Grant.

I have watched all of Utah's games this year and in my opinion the C's should not be interested in Vanderbilt at all.  He doesn't fit with Timelord at all and next to Horford wouldn't be great either.  Much prefer Grant in both cases.  Playing him as a small ball center isn't good either.

I agree, but I’d rather have Kelly over Grant. He’s a legit 4/5. Utah is full rebuild and Olynyk being over 30 doesn’t fit their timeline. Grant and Pritchard do, though. Then throw in the C’s first round pick for this year…. That makes a lot of sense for both teams.

we don't have our first pick this year -- went to Indy in the Brogdon deal.  I wouldn't be throwing a first rounder in for either KO or Vanderbilt.  each is a bench guy that isn't going to be someone you want on the court in the final minutes of a game.

Well, you are dealing with Danny Ainge, so good luck not giving up something that you didn't want to. Lol.

And this is why a trade won’t get made.  Neither of those two are worth a first to the Celtics, and Olynyk especially isn’t because we’d have to also give up at least someone on the fringe of the rotation to make salaries work.

Other than Rob, I can’t think of any players the C’s have had success drafting in the late 20’s. I mean, the last two picks in the teens were not very good with Langford and Nesmith. What’s that old saying, “A bird in the hand…” Would much rather have the proven players.

It’s not about how the Celtics have drafted (especially considering Stevens wasn’t the one making those picks), it’s a) what 1st-round picks are worth across the league and b) the limit of how many firsts you can trade.  The Celtics have 3 first rounders they can trade through the next trade deadline.  Trade one now and you’re down to two.  So if you make that trade, it really needs be for someone who’s more than the 8th or 9th man in your rotation, with the possible exception of a player on his rookie scale contract you hope to control for 5-6 seasons.  Secondly, the last two firsts the Celtics have traded have been for Malcolm Brogdon and Derrick White, who are a) better, b) on longer contracts, and c) younger (than Olynyk).

I don’t think a pick in the high 20’s has a ton of value around the league. The draft, especially late first round, is a complete crapshoot. Olynyk is a sure thing. He would immediately be the best big off the C’s bench by a wide margin and could be a huge piece for a playoff run this season and next.

The Celtics literally got Malcolm Brogdon for a presumed pick in the late 20s and one of the draft choices (Nesmith) that you panned all of 7 months ago.  Brogdon >> than Olynyk.  This argument holds zero water.

How many games does Brogdon miss every year? He played 36 games last season. 36! Let’s not pretend that wasn’t a major factor in the trade. What’s the best ability? Availability. C’s also gave up Nesmith who Indiana presumably thinks/thought was a nice young player with good upside and Theis who is a solid bench player.

The C’s should be doing everything they can to win a championship now. Olynyk would help with that more than a high 20 something draft pick.

[mobilija]

I'd like to see what Brad can do with a late 1st round draft pick.

I still like his 2nd round choices and have some hope for them. Both need to learn to shoot but have potential.

[slamtheking]

I'd like to see what Brad can do with a late 1st round draft pick.

I still like his 2nd round choices and have some hope for them. Both need to learn to shoot but have potential.

you'll be waiting at least one more year to find out and I'd be surprised if he doesn't trade that before the start of next season considering his track record

[Celtics2021]

No chance Utah would have interest in this trade.  They may consider a Grant for Vanderbilt trade but beyond that the C's are giving up nothing that would cause them to even pick up the phone.  Pritchard at this point wouldn't be in their rotation either.  Utah traded Bogdanovic pretty much straight up for Olynyk in the summer, I doubt they are going to give him away now.  Gay is playable Gallo is not.

I think the C’s would likely have to attach a first round pick as well. I’m not high on Vanderbilt, he can’t shoot, but I’d much rather have Kelly than Grant.

I have watched all of Utah's games this year and in my opinion the C's should not be interested in Vanderbilt at all.  He doesn't fit with Timelord at all and next to Horford wouldn't be great either.  Much prefer Grant in both cases.  Playing him as a small ball center isn't good either.

I agree, but I’d rather have Kelly over Grant. He’s a legit 4/5. Utah is full rebuild and Olynyk being over 30 doesn’t fit their timeline. Grant and Pritchard do, though. Then throw in the C’s first round pick for this year…. That makes a lot of sense for both teams.

we don't have our first pick this year -- went to Indy in the Brogdon deal.  I wouldn't be throwing a first rounder in for either KO or Vanderbilt.  each is a bench guy that isn't going to be someone you want on the court in the final minutes of a game.

Well, you are dealing with Danny Ainge, so good luck not giving up something that you didn't want to. Lol.

And this is why a trade won’t get made.  Neither of those two are worth a first to the Celtics, and Olynyk especially isn’t because we’d have to also give up at least someone on the fringe of the rotation to make salaries work.

Other than Rob, I can’t think of any players the C’s have had success drafting in the late 20’s. I mean, the last two picks in the teens were not very good with Langford and Nesmith. What’s that old saying, “A bird in the hand…” Would much rather have the proven players.

It’s not about how the Celtics have drafted (especially considering Stevens wasn’t the one making those picks), it’s a) what 1st-round picks are worth across the league and b) the limit of how many firsts you can trade.  The Celtics have 3 first rounders they can trade through the next trade deadline.  Trade one now and you’re down to two.  So if you make that trade, it really needs be for someone who’s more than the 8th or 9th man in your rotation, with the possible exception of a player on his rookie scale contract you hope to control for 5-6 seasons.  Secondly, the last two firsts the Celtics have traded have been for Malcolm Brogdon and Derrick White, who are a) better, b) on longer contracts, and c) younger (than Olynyk).

I don’t think a pick in the high 20’s has a ton of value around the league. The draft, especially late first round, is a complete crapshoot. Olynyk is a sure thing. He would immediately be the best big off the C’s bench by a wide margin and could be a huge piece for a playoff run this season and next.

The Celtics literally got Malcolm Brogdon for a presumed pick in the late 20s and one of the draft choices (Nesmith) that you panned all of 7 months ago.  Brogdon >> than Olynyk.  This argument holds zero water.

How many games does Brogdon miss every year? He played 36 games last season. 36! Let’s not pretend that wasn’t a major factor in the trade. What’s the best ability? Availability. C’s also gave up Nesmith who Indiana presumably thinks/thought was a nice young player with good upside. Plus Theis who is a solid bench player.

Kelly Olynyk played 40 games last year.  40!  And again, you just called Nesmith “not very good”.  You’re seriously undervaluing picks, and being very inconsistent as you do so.  Kelly Olynyk is only worth a first-round pick if you’re also dumping bad salary in the trade.  The worst salary the Celtics have is Gallo, and his salary isn’t that bad.  Look for Olynyk to go to the Heat as part of their moving on from Duncan Robinson’s contract, or to the Suns for Landry Shamet’s contract.  Either of those teams would give a first because they’re also getting rid of a long-term deal they don’t want.  He’s not getting a first on his own.

[tonydelk]

I'd like to see what Brad can do with a late 1st round draft pick.

I still like his 2nd round choices and have some hope for them. Both need to learn to shoot but have potential.

you'll be waiting at least one more year to find out and I'd be surprised if he doesn't trade that before the start of next season considering his track record

I'd really like to see what Brad can do.  The year they traded for Al the rumor was they were high on Alperin Sengun.  He's developed really really well this year and man I'd love to have him on this team.  His 2nd round picks have upside and that's all you can expect out of a 2nd rounder. 

[Goldstar88]

No chance Utah would have interest in this trade.  They may consider a Grant for Vanderbilt trade but beyond that the C's are giving up nothing that would cause them to even pick up the phone.  Pritchard at this point wouldn't be in their rotation either.  Utah traded Bogdanovic pretty much straight up for Olynyk in the summer, I doubt they are going to give him away now.  Gay is playable Gallo is not.

I think the C’s would likely have to attach a first round pick as well. I’m not high on Vanderbilt, he can’t shoot, but I’d much rather have Kelly than Grant.

I have watched all of Utah's games this year and in my opinion the C's should not be interested in Vanderbilt at all.  He doesn't fit with Timelord at all and next to Horford wouldn't be great either.  Much prefer Grant in both cases.  Playing him as a small ball center isn't good either.

I agree, but I’d rather have Kelly over Grant. He’s a legit 4/5. Utah is full rebuild and Olynyk being over 30 doesn’t fit their timeline. Grant and Pritchard do, though. Then throw in the C’s first round pick for this year…. That makes a lot of sense for both teams.

we don't have our first pick this year -- went to Indy in the Brogdon deal.  I wouldn't be throwing a first rounder in for either KO or Vanderbilt.  each is a bench guy that isn't going to be someone you want on the court in the final minutes of a game.

Well, you are dealing with Danny Ainge, so good luck not giving up something that you didn't want to. Lol.

And this is why a trade won’t get made.  Neither of those two are worth a first to the Celtics, and Olynyk especially isn’t because we’d have to also give up at least someone on the fringe of the rotation to make salaries work.

Other than Rob, I can’t think of any players the C’s have had success drafting in the late 20’s. I mean, the last two picks in the teens were not very good with Langford and Nesmith. What’s that old saying, “A bird in the hand…” Would much rather have the proven players.

It’s not about how the Celtics have drafted (especially considering Stevens wasn’t the one making those picks), it’s a) what 1st-round picks are worth across the league and b) the limit of how many firsts you can trade.  The Celtics have 3 first rounders they can trade through the next trade deadline.  Trade one now and you’re down to two.  So if you make that trade, it really needs be for someone who’s more than the 8th or 9th man in your rotation, with the possible exception of a player on his rookie scale contract you hope to control for 5-6 seasons.  Secondly, the last two firsts the Celtics have traded have been for Malcolm Brogdon and Derrick White, who are a) better, b) on longer contracts, and c) younger (than Olynyk).

I don’t think a pick in the high 20’s has a ton of value around the league. The draft, especially late first round, is a complete crapshoot. Olynyk is a sure thing. He would immediately be the best big off the C’s bench by a wide margin and could be a huge piece for a playoff run this season and next.

The Celtics literally got Malcolm Brogdon for a presumed pick in the late 20s and one of the draft choices (Nesmith) that you panned all of 7 months ago.  Brogdon >> than Olynyk.  This argument holds zero water.

How many games does Brogdon miss every year? He played 36 games last season. 36! Let’s not pretend that wasn’t a major factor in the trade. What’s the best ability? Availability. C’s also gave up Nesmith who Indiana presumably thinks/thought was a nice young player with good upside. Plus Theis who is a solid bench player.

Kelly Olynyk played 40 games last year.  40!  And again, you just called Nesmith “not very good”.  You’re seriously undervaluing picks, and being very inconsistent as you do so.  Kelly Olynyk is only worth a first-round pick if you’re also dumping bad salary in the trade.  The worst salary the Celtics have is Gallo, and his salary isn’t that bad.  Look for Olynyk to go to the Heat as part of their moving on from Duncan Robinson’s contract, or to the Suns for Landry Shamet’s contract.  Either of those teams would give a first because they’re also getting rid of a long-term deal they don’t want.  He’s not getting a first on his own.

I’m not being inconsistent. Read what I wrote. Nesmith who Indiana presumably thinks/thought was a nice young player with good upside.

I don’t think they would have traded for him if they didn’t think he had upside. For me, I’ve always felt like Romeo had a better chance to make it in the league. That’s a different discussion, though.

I’d rather have Olynyk you’d rather have the 28th or whatever pick in next years draft. We are all entitled to our opinions. Just feel like Kelly would be a substantial upgrade over Grant/Kornet and a solid first big off the bench. He’s also under contract for next year at $12M, which is reasonable and being in his early 30’s, he could be a decent Horford replacement in a few years. Grant has shown this year that he clearly is not that guy. Also, I never said he would get a first on his own. It would be part of the trade that Moranis had proposed. See below.

I've proposed elsewhere and still think this is a good trade for both teams (it would be done as 2 using the TPE)

Olynyk, Gay, Vanderbilt for Gallinari, G. Williams, Pritchard, Jackson, Cash, HOU 2nd

That to me solves a lot of the issues on the team.  We get 2 rotations players (KO, Vanderbilt) for 1 rotation player (Grant) and overall upgrade the talent.  The Jazz get some young guys that Ainge clearly likes (since he drafted them), another 2nd round pick, cash, and save a fair amount of money this year.  If it took a protected 1st instead of the 2nd, I'd probably do that, but wouldn't want to take Gay back in that scenario.

[Celtics4ever]

Alperin Sengun is part of OKC future as I see it.   Sure he would be  great pickup  I just don't think we have the assets to get him.

[Birdman]

Alperin Sengun is part of OKC future as I see it.   Sure he would be  great pickup  I just don't think we have the assets to get him.

Sengun  plays for Houston

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Alperin Sengun is part of OKC future as I see it.   Sure he would be  great pickup  I just don't think we have the assets to get him.

Sengun  plays for Houston

Details, details.

[todd_days_41]

“By the way I’m hearing that he’s [Kevin Durant] on the verge of potentially being moved. Obviously we’ve all been speculating about that…that he may be moved. I’m hearing Boston is making some calls. Keep your eye on Jaylen Brown. Keep your eye on that.” - @stephenasmith on FT

Not sure I buy this but it is out there.

I'd be open to moving Brown for the right price, but not for KD.

What’s the right price?  The guys I’d put ahead of JB are probably unobtainable, and I don’t see much benefit in trading him for multiple lesser parts.

That analysis changes if Brown doesn’t want to be here, but if that we’re the case, KD is one of the few guys I’d be interested in.

Does Brown want to be here? For how long? It's not hard to imagine that's questionable, but no one here truly knows.

This rumor will continue to pop up as long as: a) Durant is a Net, b) they're mediocre, and c) Brown is a Celtic -- mostly because it makes some serious sense for both sides. And for those who want to compare Brown's age with KD, remember what Wyc Grousbeck told Brad Stevens about the '23 deadline....

[Goldstar88]

“By the way I’m hearing that he’s [Kevin Durant] on the verge of potentially being moved. Obviously we’ve all been speculating about that…that he may be moved. I’m hearing Boston is making some calls. Keep your eye on Jaylen Brown. Keep your eye on that.” - @stephenasmith on FT

Not sure I buy this but it is out there.

I'd be open to moving Brown for the right price, but not for KD.

What’s the right price?  The guys I’d put ahead of JB are probably unobtainable, and I don’t see much benefit in trading him for multiple lesser parts.

That analysis changes if Brown doesn’t want to be here, but if that we’re the case, KD is one of the few guys I’d be interested in.

Does Brown want to be here? For how long? It's not hard to imagine that's questionable, but no one here truly knows.

This rumor will continue to pop up as long as: a) Durant is a Net, b) they're mediocre, and c) Brown is a Celtic -- mostly because it makes some serious sense for both sides.

If he doesn’t sign an extension over the summer, I’d move him in a trade package for Durant. I’m hoping it doesn’t come to that, though.

[Celtics4ever]

Alperin Sengun is part of OKC future as I see it.   Sure he would be  great pickup  I just don't think we have the assets to get him.

Sengun  plays for Houston

My bad, error, but we still could not pry him loose from them, I wager

[Phantom255x]

Saw this on the contest thread (Credit Roy H). But if CHI is actually considering trading Drummond, then I actually wouldn't hate that for Boston. In fact, it may be more realistic now than some of the other options which may be more expensive now (like Naz Reid).

Easily fits into our TPE, and would probably only take one or two 2nd round picks. And while he does have limitations and only shoots around 55% FTs, he'd still be an upgrade over Kornet/Griffin, and he can definitely give us a valuable 10-15 minutes a game to help the others down the stretch with some rest and in case someone (Horford/Timelord) is hurt.

Also, Stevens typically makes moves in silence and without much buzz/reporting before it, and I don't think Drummond has been mentioned much in trade rumors involving the C's.