Celtics/Jazz trade idea

[Sophomore]

Kelly O really doesn’t do it for me. I don’t see him as an upgrade over Grant; sideways at best.

[Neurotic Guy]

With all due respect, this is a horrendous trade proposal.  That said, you’re going after the wrong Jazz player anyway.  If you want to target someone it’s KO.

I agree in regards to the proposed trade.  I see no need to bring in Clarkson. 

As to Olynyk, I have not seen him play in Utah this season.  Would he give us more than Grant Williams or is he less than Grant Williams?  Not sure how we would be able to bring in his $12.8M contract unless you want to trade White.  Gallinari + Pritchard does not get you there.  I don't think Olynyk, even if we could get him, would actually help us.  He probably wouldn't even play in the playoffs short of injury or foul trouble.

I don't want to lose White, Smart, or Brogdon for any player that doesn't offer a substantial upgrade to the roster.  I consider all three in this trio to be solid and it's great having all 3.  They can all defend, have decent size/strength, all can pass, all can handle the ball. Smart/White outside shooting isn't a strength for either but they can both drive/score and create opportunities for others.  Again, it's great having all 3.   If a quality 4/5 is available with good size who can defend, shoot, move the ball, fit in, I suppose it would balance the roster better and provide some insurance and rest for Rob/Al.   But I don't think KO is that guy though he'd meet some of the criteria.  Like VG, I haven't seen much of KO recently.

[Surferdad]

With all due respect, this is a horrendous trade proposal.  That said, you’re going after the wrong Jazz player anyway.  If you want to target someone it’s KO.

I agree in regards to the proposed trade.  I see no need to bring in Clarkson. 

As to Olynyk, I have not seen him play in Utah this season.  Would he give us more than Grant Williams or is he less than Grant Williams?  Not sure how we would be able to bring in his $12.8M contract unless you want to trade White.  Gallinari + Pritchard does not get you there.  I don't think Olynyk, even if we could get him, would actually help us.  He probably wouldn't even play in the playoffs short of injury or foul trouble.

I don't want to lose White, Smart, or Brogdon for any player that doesn't offer a substantial upgrade to the roster.  I consider all three in this trio to be solid and it's great having all 3.  They can all defend, have decent size/strength, all can pass, all can handle the ball. Smart/White outside shooting isn't a strength for either but they can both drive/score and create opportunities for others.  Again, it's great having all 3.   If a quality 4/5 is available with good size who can defend, shoot, move the ball, fit in, I suppose it would balance the roster better and provide some insurance and rest for Rob/Al.  But I don't think KO is that guy though he'd meet some of the criteria.  Like VG, I haven't seen much of KO recently.

Forget the trade and just wait for Gallo to come back. Then you don't lose anybody.

[Vermont Green]

Forget the trade and just wait for Gallo to come back. Then you don't lose anybody.

I think that is the X-factor regarding any decision to trade for another big or wing.  Even as we stand right now with Horford, RWIII, Grant playing most of the minutes and Kornet and Griffin filling in, we can get by.  If they think there is a realistic chance that Gallinari can come back and play even 10-15 minutes, spell Grant some, offer some different match up looks, they probably don't do anything much in terms of trades.

If they decide to target a player with White or maybe Gallinari + Pritchard, the player they get back needs to make a difference.  A big that can play as well or better than Grant or even Horford.  Actually improve the playoff rotation.  Or a bigger wing that can push Hauser down the depth chart, good enough to start in a pinch or give valuable, regular bench minutes (like White does at the guard position).  If they feel like there is a chance Gallinari is coming back, it is far more likely they target the wing, or just do nothing.

If there really is no chance he is going to play this year, as has been the party line to this point, I don't mind exploring trades that include Gallinari if we can get back a rotation player.  Not for another Kornet or even Hauser but for someone at the Grant level or White level, but who does different things.  Some one who would slot 5-8 or so, not someone who would be 10-15.

[Celtics2021]

With all due respect, this is a horrendous trade proposal.  That said, you’re going after the wrong Jazz player anyway.  If you want to target someone it’s KO.

KO or Vanderbilt would be the ones I would want from Utah

KO has been myeh.  I think his playing time will decrease after the deadline, with Ainge no longer shopping him at that point.  On the off chance he gets bought out, Stevens should call, but if we're giving up assets for a Jazz big, it should be for Vanderbilt.  He'd fit into the rotation much better than Olynyk.

[Moranis]

With all due respect, this is a horrendous trade proposal.  That said, you’re going after the wrong Jazz player anyway.  If you want to target someone it’s KO.

KO or Vanderbilt would be the ones I would want from Utah

KO has been myeh.  I think his playing time will decrease after the deadline, with Ainge no longer shopping him at that point.  On the off chance he gets bought out, Stevens should call, but if we're giving up assets for a Jazz big, it should be for Vanderbilt.  He'd fit into the rotation much better than Olynyk.

Trade 1

KO, for Gallo, Grant

Trade 2

Vanderbilt into Richardson TPE for 2025 1st Top 4)

Trade 3

Top 55 protected 2nd for Pritchard (into the newly created Vanderbilt TPE)

Trade 4

Gay for 2023 2nd (fits into Hernangomez TPE)

So combining all trades

Gay, Vanderbilt, KO, Top 55 protected 2nd for Gallo, Pritchard, Grant, 2025 1st (top 4), 2023 2nd

Boston Lineup Post-Trades (1 open spot)
Guards - Smart, White, Brogdon
Wings - Tatum, Brown, Hauser, Gay, Jackson
Bigs - Horford, Rob, KO, Vanderbilt, Blake, Kornet

[Celtics2021]

With all due respect, this is a horrendous trade proposal.  That said, you’re going after the wrong Jazz player anyway.  If you want to target someone it’s KO.

KO or Vanderbilt would be the ones I would want from Utah

KO has been myeh.  I think his playing time will decrease after the deadline, with Ainge no longer shopping him at that point.  On the off chance he gets bought out, Stevens should call, but if we're giving up assets for a Jazz big, it should be for Vanderbilt.  He'd fit into the rotation much better than Olynyk.

Trade 1

KO, for Gallo, Grant

Trade 2

Vanderbilt into Richardson TPE for 2025 1st Top 4)

Trade 3

Top 55 protected 2nd for Pritchard (into the newly created Vanderbilt TPE)

Trade 4

Gay for 2023 2nd (fits into Hernangomez TPE)

So combining all trades

Gay, Vanderbilt, KO, Top 55 protected 2nd for Gallo, Pritchard, Grant, 2025 1st (top 4), 2023 2nd

Boston Lineup Post-Trades (1 open spot)
Guards - Smart, White, Brogdon
Wings - Tatum, Brown, Hauser, Gay, Jackson
Bigs - Horford, Rob, KO, Vanderbilt, Blake, Kornet

Ugh, definitely no.  Would rather have Grant than Vanderbilt, and don’t want anything to do with Gay.

Pritchard and two 2nds for Vanderbilt.  I could be talked into a protected 1st for Vanderbilt if we kept PP, but I’d look elsewhere first.

[Moranis]

With all due respect, this is a horrendous trade proposal.  That said, you’re going after the wrong Jazz player anyway.  If you want to target someone it’s KO.

KO or Vanderbilt would be the ones I would want from Utah

KO has been myeh.  I think his playing time will decrease after the deadline, with Ainge no longer shopping him at that point.  On the off chance he gets bought out, Stevens should call, but if we're giving up assets for a Jazz big, it should be for Vanderbilt.  He'd fit into the rotation much better than Olynyk.

Trade 1

KO, for Gallo, Grant

Trade 2

Vanderbilt into Richardson TPE for 2025 1st Top 4)

Trade 3

Top 55 protected 2nd for Pritchard (into the newly created Vanderbilt TPE)

Trade 4

Gay for 2023 2nd (fits into Hernangomez TPE)

So combining all trades

Gay, Vanderbilt, KO, Top 55 protected 2nd for Gallo, Pritchard, Grant, 2025 1st (top 4), 2023 2nd

Boston Lineup Post-Trades (1 open spot)
Guards - Smart, White, Brogdon
Wings - Tatum, Brown, Hauser, Gay, Jackson
Bigs - Horford, Rob, KO, Vanderbilt, Blake, Kornet

Ugh, definitely no.  Would rather have Grant than Vanderbilt, and don’t want anything to do with Gay.

Pritchard and two 2nds for Vanderbilt.  I could be talked into a protected 1st for Vanderbilt if we kept PP, but I’d look elsewhere first.

Vanderbilt is better and has significantly more value than Grant.  I don't think it is close.  He also has a better contract given the extra year at cheaper dollars.

[Celtics2021]

With all due respect, this is a horrendous trade proposal.  That said, you’re going after the wrong Jazz player anyway.  If you want to target someone it’s KO.

KO or Vanderbilt would be the ones I would want from Utah

KO has been myeh.  I think his playing time will decrease after the deadline, with Ainge no longer shopping him at that point.  On the off chance he gets bought out, Stevens should call, but if we're giving up assets for a Jazz big, it should be for Vanderbilt.  He'd fit into the rotation much better than Olynyk.

Trade 1

KO, for Gallo, Grant

Trade 2

Vanderbilt into Richardson TPE for 2025 1st Top 4)

Trade 3

Top 55 protected 2nd for Pritchard (into the newly created Vanderbilt TPE)

Trade 4

Gay for 2023 2nd (fits into Hernangomez TPE)

So combining all trades

Gay, Vanderbilt, KO, Top 55 protected 2nd for Gallo, Pritchard, Grant, 2025 1st (top 4), 2023 2nd

Boston Lineup Post-Trades (1 open spot)
Guards - Smart, White, Brogdon
Wings - Tatum, Brown, Hauser, Gay, Jackson
Bigs - Horford, Rob, KO, Vanderbilt, Blake, Kornet

Ugh, definitely no.  Would rather have Grant than Vanderbilt, and don’t want anything to do with Gay.

Pritchard and two 2nds for Vanderbilt.  I could be talked into a protected 1st for Vanderbilt if we kept PP, but I’d look elsewhere first.

Vanderbilt is better and has significantly more value than Grant.  I don't think it is close.  He also has a better contract given the extra year at cheaper dollars.

No he isn’t.  They do different things well which are both valuable — I think Grant is more valuable in his role to the Celtics than Vanderbilt would be.  He’s also an unrestricted free agent after next year, unlike Grant, so even if he is better, we’re not going to be able to keep him when his contract runs out.

But the real point is Grant and Vanderbilt would share the court well together, so there’s no need to swap them out, and certainly not at the cost of a future 1st.  That would be a heavy price for a marginal, at best, improvement.

[Vermont Green]

With all due respect, this is a horrendous trade proposal.  That said, you’re going after the wrong Jazz player anyway.  If you want to target someone it’s KO.

KO or Vanderbilt would be the ones I would want from Utah

KO has been myeh.  I think his playing time will decrease after the deadline, with Ainge no longer shopping him at that point.  On the off chance he gets bought out, Stevens should call, but if we're giving up assets for a Jazz big, it should be for Vanderbilt.  He'd fit into the rotation much better than Olynyk.

Trade 1

KO, for Gallo, Grant

Trade 2

Vanderbilt into Richardson TPE for 2025 1st Top 4)

Trade 3

Top 55 protected 2nd for Pritchard (into the newly created Vanderbilt TPE)

Trade 4

Gay for 2023 2nd (fits into Hernangomez TPE)

So combining all trades

Gay, Vanderbilt, KO, Top 55 protected 2nd for Gallo, Pritchard, Grant, 2025 1st (top 4), 2023 2nd

Boston Lineup Post-Trades (1 open spot)
Guards - Smart, White, Brogdon
Wings - Tatum, Brown, Hauser, Gay, Jackson
Bigs - Horford, Rob, KO, Vanderbilt, Blake, Kornet

Ugh, definitely no.  Would rather have Grant than Vanderbilt, and don’t want anything to do with Gay.

Pritchard and two 2nds for Vanderbilt.  I could be talked into a protected 1st for Vanderbilt if we kept PP, but I’d look elsewhere first.

Vanderbilt is better and has significantly more value than Grant.  I don't think it is close.  He also has a better contract given the extra year at cheaper dollars.

No he isn’t.  They do different things well which are both valuable — I think Grant is more valuable in his role to the Celtics than Vanderbilt would be.  He’s also an unrestricted free agent after next year, unlike Grant, so even if he is better, we’re not going to be able to keep him when his contract runs out.

But the real point is Grant and Vanderbilt would share the court well together, so there’s no need to swap them out, and certainly not at the cost of a future 1st.  That would be a heavy price for a marginal, at best, improvement.

I am with Celtics2021 on this one.  Grant is important to the team.  Vanderbilt may have value and may surpass Grant as some point, but right now loosing Grant would hurt the team in the here and now.  Vanderbilt may not even play in our playoff rotation.  Grant has a role, knows the role, knows how to play with our stars, has deep playoff experience.  Makes no sense to me to trade Grant.  Pritchard and picks?  Sure, but not Grant.

[Moranis]

With all due respect, this is a horrendous trade proposal.  That said, you’re going after the wrong Jazz player anyway.  If you want to target someone it’s KO.

KO or Vanderbilt would be the ones I would want from Utah

KO has been myeh.  I think his playing time will decrease after the deadline, with Ainge no longer shopping him at that point.  On the off chance he gets bought out, Stevens should call, but if we're giving up assets for a Jazz big, it should be for Vanderbilt.  He'd fit into the rotation much better than Olynyk.

Trade 1

KO, for Gallo, Grant

Trade 2

Vanderbilt into Richardson TPE for 2025 1st Top 4)

Trade 3

Top 55 protected 2nd for Pritchard (into the newly created Vanderbilt TPE)

Trade 4

Gay for 2023 2nd (fits into Hernangomez TPE)

So combining all trades

Gay, Vanderbilt, KO, Top 55 protected 2nd for Gallo, Pritchard, Grant, 2025 1st (top 4), 2023 2nd

Boston Lineup Post-Trades (1 open spot)
Guards - Smart, White, Brogdon
Wings - Tatum, Brown, Hauser, Gay, Jackson
Bigs - Horford, Rob, KO, Vanderbilt, Blake, Kornet

Ugh, definitely no.  Would rather have Grant than Vanderbilt, and don’t want anything to do with Gay.

Pritchard and two 2nds for Vanderbilt.  I could be talked into a protected 1st for Vanderbilt if we kept PP, but I’d look elsewhere first.

Vanderbilt is better and has significantly more value than Grant.  I don't think it is close.  He also has a better contract given the extra year at cheaper dollars.

No he isn’t.  They do different things well which are both valuable — I think Grant is more valuable in his role to the Celtics than Vanderbilt would be.  He’s also an unrestricted free agent after next year, unlike Grant, so even if he is better, we’re not going to be able to keep him when his contract runs out.

But the real point is Grant and Vanderbilt would share the court well together, so there’s no need to swap them out, and certainly not at the cost of a future 1st.  That would be a heavy price for a marginal, at best, improvement.

I am with Celtics2021 on this one.  Grant is important to the team.  Vanderbilt may have value and may surpass Grant as some point, but right now loosing Grant would hurt the team in the here and now.  Vanderbilt may not even play in our playoff rotation.  Grant has a role, knows the role, knows how to play with our stars, has deep playoff experience.  Makes no sense to me to trade Grant.  Pritchard and picks?  Sure, but not Grant.

It was getting KO though also.  It wasn't just Grant for Vanderbilt, it was also swapping out injured Gallo for not injured KO.  KO basically replaces Grant's shooting and with better size, rebounding, and passing (though obviously is a pure big rather than a swing).  I just think replacing Grant and Pritchard (who won't be in the playoff rotation at all) with KO and Vanderbilt makes Boston a better team.  A lot more size with a better roster construction.  The Gay part isn't necessary, but that seemed like a decent use of the Hernangomez TPE and provides a salary similar to Gallo (for trading this year or over the summer). 

[bogg]

Just a reminder that Olynyk and Vanderbilt are both full-time starters for Utah, with an additional year on both their contracts remaining, and they're both good fits with Lauri. Either is going to command a premium from Ainge, these aren't spare-parts-buy-low opportunities. Any trade talks likey start at the 2025 first and go from there, and salary matching on Olynyk is inconvenient.

[Celtics2021]

Just a reminder that Olynyk and Vanderbilt are both full-time starters for Utah, with an additional year on both their contracts remaining, and they're both good fits with Lauri. Either is going to command a premium from Ainge, these aren't spare-parts-buy-low opportunities. Any trade talks likey start at the 2025 first and go from there, and salary matching on Olynyk is inconvenient.

Olynyk is only a starter because Ainge is shopping him.  He will be on the bench after the All-Star game has passed.

[Moranis]

Just a reminder that Olynyk and Vanderbilt are both full-time starters for Utah, with an additional year on both their contracts remaining, and they're both good fits with Lauri. Either is going to command a premium from Ainge, these aren't spare-parts-buy-low opportunities. Any trade talks likey start at the 2025 first and go from there, and salary matching on Olynyk is inconvenient.

Olynyk is only a starter because Ainge is shopping him.  He will be on the bench after the All-Star game has passed.

I don't think that is true at all. 

[bogg]

Just a reminder that Olynyk and Vanderbilt are both full-time starters for Utah, with an additional year on both their contracts remaining, and they're both good fits with Lauri. Either is going to command a premium from Ainge, these aren't spare-parts-buy-low opportunities. Any trade talks likey start at the 2025 first and go from there, and salary matching on Olynyk is inconvenient.

Olynyk is only a starter because Ainge is shopping him.  He will be on the bench after the All-Star game has passed.

Yea, he's shopping him for an additional first. If Ainge didn't want Olynyk's money on the books for next year he wouldn't have flipped Bogdanovic's expiring contract for him in the first place.

Also, wouldn't be so sure he's due for a drastic decrease in minutes. Olynyk certainly isn't the future in Utah, but Markkanen's turned into a possible all-star being flanked by Olynyk and Vanderbilt. Not convinced they mess with that if no deals shake out.