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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #285 on: October 27, 2022, 12:06:28 PM »

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I think the extended primes of Lebron, Chris Paul, steph curry have made us forget that some players do really decline in their early 30’s , especially when they are injury prone (and Davis seems to have ongoing issues with his back). I don’t think Davis has as high value in trades as some may think.

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« Reply #286 on: October 27, 2022, 12:22:05 PM »

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If the Lakers did make Davis available (and he was willing to come here), what would you be willing to give up for him?

Horford + Gallo + two #1s.

The Lakers wouldn't do that.

I don’t even know if I’d do that. AD misses so many games and it’s just going to get worse as he will be turning 30 soon. Last year he played in 40 games. The season before only 36 games. So a max player that’s likely going to miss half the season and he’s already banged up this year. Pass.
He does, but Tatum, Brown, and Davis + guys like Smart, Brogdon.  The team would be the biggest favorite since Durant was in San Francisco.

Sure, but championships aren’t won on paper. Based on past history, Davis is more than likely going to be injured for a good portion of the season. Same reason I don’t want Hayward back, these guys are just not reliable.
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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #287 on: October 27, 2022, 12:27:07 PM »

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If the Lakers did make Davis available (and he was willing to come here), what would you be willing to give up for him?

Horford + Gallo + two #1s.

The Lakers wouldn't do that.

I don’t even know if I’d do that. AD misses so many games and it’s just going to get worse as he will be turning 30 soon. Last year he played in 40 games. The season before only 36 games. So a max player that’s likely going to miss half the season and he’s already banged up this year. Pass.
He does, but Tatum, Brown, and Davis + guys like Smart, Brogdon.  The team would be the biggest favorite since Durant was in San Francisco.

Sure, but championships aren’t won on paper. Based on past history, Davis is more than likely going to be injured for a good portion of the season. Same reason I don’t want Hayward back, these guys are just not reliable.
And you think someone like Horford or Williams won't be?
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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #288 on: October 27, 2022, 12:35:25 PM »

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If the Lakers did make Davis available (and he was willing to come here), what would you be willing to give up for him?

Horford + Gallo + two #1s.

The Lakers wouldn't do that.

I don’t even know if I’d do that. AD misses so many games and it’s just going to get worse as he will be turning 30 soon. Last year he played in 40 games. The season before only 36 games. So a max player that’s likely going to miss half the season and he’s already banged up this year. Pass.
He does, but Tatum, Brown, and Davis + guys like Smart, Brogdon.  The team would be the biggest favorite since Durant was in San Francisco.

Sure, but championships aren’t won on paper. Based on past history, Davis is more than likely going to be injured for a good portion of the season. Same reason I don’t want Hayward back, these guys are just not reliable.
And you think someone like Horford or Williams won't be?

Horford is certainly old and can play limited minutes, but he has actually been pretty durable and reliable. All of his years in Boston he has played 67+ games. Anthony has been good for about 45 the last few years and also missed playoffs.

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« Reply #289 on: October 27, 2022, 12:54:11 PM »

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If the Lakers did make Davis available (and he was willing to come here), what would you be willing to give up for him?

Horford + Gallo + two #1s.

The Lakers wouldn't do that.

I don’t even know if I’d do that. AD misses so many games and it’s just going to get worse as he will be turning 30 soon. Last year he played in 40 games. The season before only 36 games. So a max player that’s likely going to miss half the season and he’s already banged up this year. Pass.
He does, but Tatum, Brown, and Davis + guys like Smart, Brogdon.  The team would be the biggest favorite since Durant was in San Francisco.

Sure, but championships aren’t won on paper. Based on past history, Davis is more than likely going to be injured for a good portion of the season. Same reason I don’t want Hayward back, these guys are just not reliable.
And you think someone like Horford or Williams won't be?

Horford played in 69 games last year, Rob played 61. Both have played more games than AD has over the last two years. They also cost significantly less than Davis does, giving the team flexibility to make moves if needed. I’d rather have Al and Rob.
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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #290 on: October 27, 2022, 01:10:31 PM »

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If the Lakers did make Davis available (and he was willing to come here), what would you be willing to give up for him?

Horford + Gallo + two #1s.

The Lakers wouldn't do that.

I don’t even know if I’d do that. AD misses so many games and it’s just going to get worse as he will be turning 30 soon. Last year he played in 40 games. The season before only 36 games. So a max player that’s likely going to miss half the season and he’s already banged up this year. Pass.
He does, but Tatum, Brown, and Davis + guys like Smart, Brogdon.  The team would be the biggest favorite since Durant was in San Francisco.

Sure, but championships aren’t won on paper. Based on past history, Davis is more than likely going to be injured for a good portion of the season. Same reason I don’t want Hayward back, these guys are just not reliable.
And you think someone like Horford or Williams won't be?

Horford played in 69 games last year, Rob played 61. Both have played more games than AD has over the last two years. They also cost significantly less than Davis does, giving the team flexibility to make moves if needed. I’d rather have Al and Rob.
Rob is missing at least the first 3 months of the year.  Horford has already missed a game and he isn't hurt.  They collectively make 700k less than Davis (and if Rob hits all his incentives they'd actually make more than Davis, thought a number of Rob's incentives are unlikely, especially with him hurt). 

Horford is giving Boston 75% of the games at 7.7 points, 5 rebounds.  There is no Rob until early 2023 at the earliest.  They make over 37 million dollars together.  Add in Gallo, and Boston's 3 main big men are costing Boston 44 million dollars producing less than 8 ppg and 5 rpg in 3 of 12 man games played, and you are worried about Davis missing games.  I just don't get it.

To Roy's point I don't think LA would do something like Horford, Rob, and draft picks for Davis, but I guarantee, if that trade could be made, it would be done already.
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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #291 on: October 27, 2022, 01:54:36 PM »

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Simmons sucks

Here's video of Cryrie screaming at Simmons to shoot

Simmons didn't even look at the basket, just immediately passed it to KD who did shoot it


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Ben needs to see a therapist. It's sad to see him reduced to this with the talent he has. So scared to take shots because he might get fouled and have to go to the line where he shoots 40%. He's a potted plant on offense, you can't even make fun of him it's so sad  :-\
The nearest defender to Simmons was Grayson Allen. Grayson. Allen (sigh). Giannis was coming over but Simmons clearly had an advantage.

Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #292 on: October 27, 2022, 02:24:32 PM »

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If the Lakers did make Davis available (and he was willing to come here), what would you be willing to give up for him?

Horford + Gallo + two #1s.

The Lakers wouldn't do that.

I don’t even know if I’d do that. AD misses so many games and it’s just going to get worse as he will be turning 30 soon. Last year he played in 40 games. The season before only 36 games. So a max player that’s likely going to miss half the season and he’s already banged up this year. Pass.
He does, but Tatum, Brown, and Davis + guys like Smart, Brogdon.  The team would be the biggest favorite since Durant was in San Francisco.

Sure, but championships aren’t won on paper. Based on past history, Davis is more than likely going to be injured for a good portion of the season. Same reason I don’t want Hayward back, these guys are just not reliable.
And you think someone like Horford or Williams won't be?

Horford played in 69 games last year, Rob played 61. Both have played more games than AD has over the last two years. They also cost significantly less than Davis does, giving the team flexibility to make moves if needed. I’d rather have Al and Rob.
Rob is missing at least the first 3 months of the year.  Horford has already missed a game and he isn't hurt.  They collectively make 700k less than Davis (and if Rob hits all his incentives they'd actually make more than Davis, thought a number of Rob's incentives are unlikely, especially with him hurt). 

Horford is giving Boston 75% of the games at 7.7 points, 5 rebounds.  There is no Rob until early 2023 at the earliest.  They make over 37 million dollars together.  Add in Gallo, and Boston's 3 main big men are costing Boston 44 million dollars producing less than 8 ppg and 5 rpg in 3 of 12 man games played, and you are worried about Davis missing games.  I just don't get it.

To Roy's point I don't think LA would do something like Horford, Rob, and draft picks for Davis, but I guarantee, if that trade could be made, it would be done already.

Regarding Rob, you don’t know that he’s missing at least 3 months. In fact Brad Stevens was asked on 98.5 The Sports Hub’s “Toucher & Rich” if he was worried about Williams’ return being further pushed back and he responded:

“No one has told me that it got moved back. So, no,” Stevens responded.

Also, I never said that Al and Rob collectively made more or less than Davis. I said that they both make less than Davis, which is accurate. So if you lose Rob, as is the case currently, you still have Al. When you trade for AD and he misses half the season, who are you putting on the court now, Luke Kornet? It’s also a lot easier to trade Al or Rob if they are injured vs Davis with his $40M/year contract.  You want to trade away all the C’s depth, plus future assets for a a max player that misses half the season every year and then bet on him being healthy come playoff time? That I don’t get…
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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #293 on: October 27, 2022, 02:56:20 PM »

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If the Lakers did make Davis available (and he was willing to come here), what would you be willing to give up for him?
Horford, TL and GW. No picks

Just unsure on TL health and resigns of Al and GW.

I don't think our team could survive that.  We'd be giving up three big men for one, with nothing but G-league depth behind him.
Could sign Favors and Cousins. Sure AD would like those moves.

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« Reply #294 on: October 27, 2022, 08:11:49 PM »

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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #295 on: October 27, 2022, 09:04:30 PM »

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If the Lakers did make Davis available (and he was willing to come here), what would you be willing to give up for him?

Horford + Gallo + two #1s.

The Lakers wouldn't do that.

I don’t even know if I’d do that. AD misses so many games and it’s just going to get worse as he will be turning 30 soon. Last year he played in 40 games. The season before only 36 games. So a max player that’s likely going to miss half the season and he’s already banged up this year. Pass.
He does, but Tatum, Brown, and Davis + guys like Smart, Brogdon.  The team would be the biggest favorite since Durant was in San Francisco.

Sure, but championships aren’t won on paper. Based on past history, Davis is more than likely going to be injured for a good portion of the season. Same reason I don’t want Hayward back, these guys are just not reliable.
And you think someone like Horford or Williams won't be?

Horford played in 69 games last year, Rob played 61. Both have played more games than AD has over the last two years. They also cost significantly less than Davis does, giving the team flexibility to make moves if needed. I’d rather have Al and Rob.
Rob is missing at least the first 3 months of the year.  Horford has already missed a game and he isn't hurt.  They collectively make 700k less than Davis (and if Rob hits all his incentives they'd actually make more than Davis, thought a number of Rob's incentives are unlikely, especially with him hurt). 

Horford is giving Boston 75% of the games at 7.7 points, 5 rebounds.  There is no Rob until early 2023 at the earliest.  They make over 37 million dollars together.  Add in Gallo, and Boston's 3 main big men are costing Boston 44 million dollars producing less than 8 ppg and 5 rpg in 3 of 12 man games played, and you are worried about Davis missing games.  I just don't get it.

To Roy's point I don't think LA would do something like Horford, Rob, and draft picks for Davis, but I guarantee, if that trade could be made, it would be done already.

Regarding Rob, you don’t know that he’s missing at least 3 months. In fact Brad Stevens was asked on 98.5 The Sports Hub’s “Toucher & Rich” if he was worried about Williams’ return being further pushed back and he responded:

“No one has told me that it got moved back. So, no,” Stevens responded.

Also, I never said that Al and Rob collectively made more or less than Davis. I said that they both make less than Davis, which is accurate. So if you lose Rob, as is the case currently, you still have Al. When you trade for AD and he misses half the season, who are you putting on the court now, Luke Kornet? It’s also a lot easier to trade Al or Rob if they are injured vs Davis with his $40M/year contract.  You want to trade away all the C’s depth, plus future assets for a a max player that misses half the season every year and then bet on him being healthy come playoff time? That I don’t get…
You said significantly less.  I bolded it in case you forgot what you wrote. 

Al and Rob are going to miss more than half the season combined, and make essentially what Davis does.  Davis, however, produces better and nearly does combined (let alone whatever you get from the other spot) on the floor.

Yeah, I'd absolutely trade Horford, Rob, and some draft picks for Davis and wouldn't give a second thought, and more importantly I think Stevens would do that.  The Lakers would never do that though, so it is a moot point.
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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #296 on: October 27, 2022, 09:17:25 PM »

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If the Lakers did make Davis available (and he was willing to come here), what would you be willing to give up for him?

Horford + Gallo + two #1s.

The Lakers wouldn't do that.

I don’t even know if I’d do that. AD misses so many games and it’s just going to get worse as he will be turning 30 soon. Last year he played in 40 games. The season before only 36 games. So a max player that’s likely going to miss half the season and he’s already banged up this year. Pass.
He does, but Tatum, Brown, and Davis + guys like Smart, Brogdon.  The team would be the biggest favorite since Durant was in San Francisco.

Sure, but championships aren’t won on paper. Based on past history, Davis is more than likely going to be injured for a good portion of the season. Same reason I don’t want Hayward back, these guys are just not reliable.
And you think someone like Horford or Williams won't be?

Horford played in 69 games last year, Rob played 61. Both have played more games than AD has over the last two years. They also cost significantly less than Davis does, giving the team flexibility to make moves if needed. I’d rather have Al and Rob.
Rob is missing at least the first 3 months of the year.  Horford has already missed a game and he isn't hurt.  They collectively make 700k less than Davis (and if Rob hits all his incentives they'd actually make more than Davis, thought a number of Rob's incentives are unlikely, especially with him hurt). 

Horford is giving Boston 75% of the games at 7.7 points, 5 rebounds.  There is no Rob until early 2023 at the earliest.  They make over 37 million dollars together.  Add in Gallo, and Boston's 3 main big men are costing Boston 44 million dollars producing less than 8 ppg and 5 rpg in 3 of 12 man games played, and you are worried about Davis missing games.  I just don't get it.

To Roy's point I don't think LA would do something like Horford, Rob, and draft picks for Davis, but I guarantee, if that trade could be made, it would be done already.

Regarding Rob, you don’t know that he’s missing at least 3 months. In fact Brad Stevens was asked on 98.5 The Sports Hub’s “Toucher & Rich” if he was worried about Williams’ return being further pushed back and he responded:

“No one has told me that it got moved back. So, no,” Stevens responded.

Also, I never said that Al and Rob collectively made more or less than Davis. I said that they both make less than Davis, which is accurate. So if you lose Rob, as is the case currently, you still have Al. When you trade for AD and he misses half the season, who are you putting on the court now, Luke Kornet? It’s also a lot easier to trade Al or Rob if they are injured vs Davis with his $40M/year contract.  You want to trade away all the C’s depth, plus future assets for a a max player that misses half the season every year and then bet on him being healthy come playoff time? That I don’t get…
You said significantly less.  I bolded it in case you forgot what you wrote. 

Al and Rob are going to miss more than half the season combined, and make essentially what Davis does.  Davis, however, produces better and nearly does combined (let alone whatever you get from the other spot) on the floor.

Yeah, I'd absolutely trade Horford, Rob, and some draft picks for Davis and wouldn't give a second thought, and more importantly I think Stevens would do that.  The Lakers would never do that though, so it is a moot point.

Right, Rob and Al both have salaries that are lower than AD’s. He’s receiving a max salary, they are not making that kind of money. Now you are saying that Al and Rob (collectively) are going to miss more than half the season? Do you have a crystal ball or… ???

I don’t think Stevens would make that trade, since he knows this is a real NBA team that just made it to the finals and not one played on NBA2K by fans.
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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #297 on: October 27, 2022, 09:50:36 PM »

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If the Lakers did make Davis available (and he was willing to come here), what would you be willing to give up for him?

Horford + Gallo + two #1s.

The Lakers wouldn't do that.

I don’t even know if I’d do that. AD misses so many games and it’s just going to get worse as he will be turning 30 soon. Last year he played in 40 games. The season before only 36 games. So a max player that’s likely going to miss half the season and he’s already banged up this year. Pass.
He does, but Tatum, Brown, and Davis + guys like Smart, Brogdon.  The team would be the biggest favorite since Durant was in San Francisco.

Sure, but championships aren’t won on paper. Based on past history, Davis is more than likely going to be injured for a good portion of the season. Same reason I don’t want Hayward back, these guys are just not reliable.
And you think someone like Horford or Williams won't be?

Horford played in 69 games last year, Rob played 61. Both have played more games than AD has over the last two years. They also cost significantly less than Davis does, giving the team flexibility to make moves if needed. I’d rather have Al and Rob.
Rob is missing at least the first 3 months of the year.  Horford has already missed a game and he isn't hurt.  They collectively make 700k less than Davis (and if Rob hits all his incentives they'd actually make more than Davis, thought a number of Rob's incentives are unlikely, especially with him hurt). 

Horford is giving Boston 75% of the games at 7.7 points, 5 rebounds.  There is no Rob until early 2023 at the earliest.  They make over 37 million dollars together.  Add in Gallo, and Boston's 3 main big men are costing Boston 44 million dollars producing less than 8 ppg and 5 rpg in 3 of 12 man games played, and you are worried about Davis missing games.  I just don't get it.

To Roy's point I don't think LA would do something like Horford, Rob, and draft picks for Davis, but I guarantee, if that trade could be made, it would be done already.

Regarding Rob, you don’t know that he’s missing at least 3 months. In fact Brad Stevens was asked on 98.5 The Sports Hub’s “Toucher & Rich” if he was worried about Williams’ return being further pushed back and he responded:

“No one has told me that it got moved back. So, no,” Stevens responded.

Also, I never said that Al and Rob collectively made more or less than Davis. I said that they both make less than Davis, which is accurate. So if you lose Rob, as is the case currently, you still have Al. When you trade for AD and he misses half the season, who are you putting on the court now, Luke Kornet? It’s also a lot easier to trade Al or Rob if they are injured vs Davis with his $40M/year contract.  You want to trade away all the C’s depth, plus future assets for a a max player that misses half the season every year and then bet on him being healthy come playoff time? That I don’t get…
You said significantly less.  I bolded it in case you forgot what you wrote. 

Al and Rob are going to miss more than half the season combined, and make essentially what Davis does.  Davis, however, produces better and nearly does combined (let alone whatever you get from the other spot) on the floor.

Yeah, I'd absolutely trade Horford, Rob, and some draft picks for Davis and wouldn't give a second thought, and more importantly I think Stevens would do that.  The Lakers would never do that though, so it is a moot point.

Right, Rob and Al both have salaries that are lower than AD’s. He’s receiving a max salary, they are not making that kind of money. Now you are saying that Al and Rob (collectively) are going to miss more than half the season? Do you have a crystal ball or… ???

I don’t think Stevens would make that trade, since he knows this is a real NBA team that just made it to the finals and not one played on NBA2K by fans.
Rob isn't going to play till January at the earliest (at least by most every account).  When he comes back, he isn't going to play every game the rest of the season either.  Al isn't playing back to backs and will also miss other games just as he has done basically every year (he has been missing at least 12 games a year since he in Boston the first time).  So yeah, between the 164 games between them, I think they play right around 82.

Al + Rob make in base salary $37,214,287.  Rob has likely incentives of 223,215 and unlikely incentives of 1,116,072 (according to spotrac).  Adding in the likely incentives, takes their combined salary to $37,437,502.  Anthony Davis makes $37,980,720.  In other words, they basically make the same amount of money.  Yes, Rob and Al make less, but it isn't SIGNIFICANTLY and they make essentially a max contract.
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Re: NBA Season 2022-23
« Reply #298 on: October 27, 2022, 10:01:26 PM »

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If the Lakers did make Davis available (and he was willing to come here), what would you be willing to give up for him?

Horford + Gallo + two #1s.

The Lakers wouldn't do that.

I don’t even know if I’d do that. AD misses so many games and it’s just going to get worse as he will be turning 30 soon. Last year he played in 40 games. The season before only 36 games. So a max player that’s likely going to miss half the season and he’s already banged up this year. Pass.
He does, but Tatum, Brown, and Davis + guys like Smart, Brogdon.  The team would be the biggest favorite since Durant was in San Francisco.

Sure, but championships aren’t won on paper. Based on past history, Davis is more than likely going to be injured for a good portion of the season. Same reason I don’t want Hayward back, these guys are just not reliable.
And you think someone like Horford or Williams won't be?

Horford played in 69 games last year, Rob played 61. Both have played more games than AD has over the last two years. They also cost significantly less than Davis does, giving the team flexibility to make moves if needed. I’d rather have Al and Rob.
Rob is missing at least the first 3 months of the year.  Horford has already missed a game and he isn't hurt.  They collectively make 700k less than Davis (and if Rob hits all his incentives they'd actually make more than Davis, thought a number of Rob's incentives are unlikely, especially with him hurt). 

Horford is giving Boston 75% of the games at 7.7 points, 5 rebounds.  There is no Rob until early 2023 at the earliest.  They make over 37 million dollars together.  Add in Gallo, and Boston's 3 main big men are costing Boston 44 million dollars producing less than 8 ppg and 5 rpg in 3 of 12 man games played, and you are worried about Davis missing games.  I just don't get it.

To Roy's point I don't think LA would do something like Horford, Rob, and draft picks for Davis, but I guarantee, if that trade could be made, it would be done already.

Regarding Rob, you don’t know that he’s missing at least 3 months. In fact Brad Stevens was asked on 98.5 The Sports Hub’s “Toucher & Rich” if he was worried about Williams’ return being further pushed back and he responded:

“No one has told me that it got moved back. So, no,” Stevens responded.

Also, I never said that Al and Rob collectively made more or less than Davis. I said that they both make less than Davis, which is accurate. So if you lose Rob, as is the case currently, you still have Al. When you trade for AD and he misses half the season, who are you putting on the court now, Luke Kornet? It’s also a lot easier to trade Al or Rob if they are injured vs Davis with his $40M/year contract.  You want to trade away all the C’s depth, plus future assets for a a max player that misses half the season every year and then bet on him being healthy come playoff time? That I don’t get…
You said significantly less.  I bolded it in case you forgot what you wrote. 

Al and Rob are going to miss more than half the season combined, and make essentially what Davis does.  Davis, however, produces better and nearly does combined (let alone whatever you get from the other spot) on the floor.

Yeah, I'd absolutely trade Horford, Rob, and some draft picks for Davis and wouldn't give a second thought, and more importantly I think Stevens would do that.  The Lakers would never do that though, so it is a moot point.

Right, Rob and Al both have salaries that are lower than AD’s. He’s receiving a max salary, they are not making that kind of money. Now you are saying that Al and Rob (collectively) are going to miss more than half the season? Do you have a crystal ball or… ???

I don’t think Stevens would make that trade, since he knows this is a real NBA team that just made it to the finals and not one played on NBA2K by fans.
Rob isn't going to play till January at the earliest (at least by most every account).  When he comes back, he isn't going to play every game the rest of the season either.  Al isn't playing back to backs and will also miss other games just as he has done basically every year (he has been missing at least 12 games a year since he in Boston the first time).  So yeah, between the 164 games between them, I think they play right around 82.

Al + Rob make in base salary $37,214,287.  Rob has likely incentives of 223,215 and unlikely incentives of 1,116,072 (according to spotrac).  Adding in the likely incentives, takes their combined salary to $37,437,502.  Anthony Davis makes $37,980,720.  In other words, they basically make the same amount of money.  Yes, Rob and Al make less, but it isn't SIGNIFICANTLY and they make essentially a max contract.
So you think TL plays 12 games this year. If Horford averages missing 12 games a year, that's how many games you think Williams plays? 12?

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If the Lakers did make Davis available (and he was willing to come here), what would you be willing to give up for him?

Horford + Gallo + two #1s.

The Lakers wouldn't do that.

I don’t even know if I’d do that. AD misses so many games and it’s just going to get worse as he will be turning 30 soon. Last year he played in 40 games. The season before only 36 games. So a max player that’s likely going to miss half the season and he’s already banged up this year. Pass.
He does, but Tatum, Brown, and Davis + guys like Smart, Brogdon.  The team would be the biggest favorite since Durant was in San Francisco.

Sure, but championships aren’t won on paper. Based on past history, Davis is more than likely going to be injured for a good portion of the season. Same reason I don’t want Hayward back, these guys are just not reliable.
And you think someone like Horford or Williams won't be?

Horford played in 69 games last year, Rob played 61. Both have played more games than AD has over the last two years. They also cost significantly less than Davis does, giving the team flexibility to make moves if needed. I’d rather have Al and Rob.
Rob is missing at least the first 3 months of the year.  Horford has already missed a game and he isn't hurt.  They collectively make 700k less than Davis (and if Rob hits all his incentives they'd actually make more than Davis, thought a number of Rob's incentives are unlikely, especially with him hurt). 

Horford is giving Boston 75% of the games at 7.7 points, 5 rebounds.  There is no Rob until early 2023 at the earliest.  They make over 37 million dollars together.  Add in Gallo, and Boston's 3 main big men are costing Boston 44 million dollars producing less than 8 ppg and 5 rpg in 3 of 12 man games played, and you are worried about Davis missing games.  I just don't get it.

To Roy's point I don't think LA would do something like Horford, Rob, and draft picks for Davis, but I guarantee, if that trade could be made, it would be done already.

Regarding Rob, you don’t know that he’s missing at least 3 months. In fact Brad Stevens was asked on 98.5 The Sports Hub’s “Toucher & Rich” if he was worried about Williams’ return being further pushed back and he responded:

“No one has told me that it got moved back. So, no,” Stevens responded.

Also, I never said that Al and Rob collectively made more or less than Davis. I said that they both make less than Davis, which is accurate. So if you lose Rob, as is the case currently, you still have Al. When you trade for AD and he misses half the season, who are you putting on the court now, Luke Kornet? It’s also a lot easier to trade Al or Rob if they are injured vs Davis with his $40M/year contract.  You want to trade away all the C’s depth, plus future assets for a a max player that misses half the season every year and then bet on him being healthy come playoff time? That I don’t get…
You said significantly less.  I bolded it in case you forgot what you wrote. 

Al and Rob are going to miss more than half the season combined, and make essentially what Davis does.  Davis, however, produces better and nearly does combined (let alone whatever you get from the other spot) on the floor.

Yeah, I'd absolutely trade Horford, Rob, and some draft picks for Davis and wouldn't give a second thought, and more importantly I think Stevens would do that.  The Lakers would never do that though, so it is a moot point.

Right, Rob and Al both have salaries that are lower than AD’s. He’s receiving a max salary, they are not making that kind of money. Now you are saying that Al and Rob (collectively) are going to miss more than half the season? Do you have a crystal ball or… ???

I don’t think Stevens would make that trade, since he knows this is a real NBA team that just made it to the finals and not one played on NBA2K by fans.
Rob isn't going to play till January at the earliest (at least by most every account).  When he comes back, he isn't going to play every game the rest of the season either.  Al isn't playing back to backs and will also miss other games just as he has done basically every year (he has been missing at least 12 games a year since he in Boston the first time).  So yeah, between the 164 games between them, I think they play right around 82.

Al + Rob make in base salary $37,214,287.  Rob has likely incentives of 223,215 and unlikely incentives of 1,116,072 (according to spotrac).  Adding in the likely incentives, takes their combined salary to $37,437,502.  Anthony Davis makes $37,980,720.  In other words, they basically make the same amount of money.  Yes, Rob and Al make less, but it isn't SIGNIFICANTLY and they make essentially a max contract.
So you think TL plays 12 games this year. If Horford averages missing 12 games a year, that's how many games you think Williams plays? 12?
No I think Horford is going to play more like 55 games.  He has never sat on back to backs before.  He missed those 12 games by just getting banged up.  I expect 20 or so games missed because of injury and another 10 to 15 for just rest. 

I think Rob is going to play in the 30 game range this year. 

Hopefully they are both healthy for the playoffs, but they are going to miss a lot of time.
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