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Trade with the Clippers?
« on: June 29, 2022, 11:00:58 AM »

Offline Goldstar88

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The LAC are adding John Wall, which gives them a logjam at guard.  George, Jackson, Powell, Mann, Kennard, and now Wall. Only so many minutes to go around and I can’t imagine one of those guys is going to be OK not playing.

Obviously George isn’t going anywhere, probably the same for Jackson as he’s the starting point guard. Have to assume Wall is going to play, otherwise why bring him in. So that leaves Kennard, Mann, and Powell. Not too high on Luke due to his subpar defense, but those other two might be worth considering…
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Re: Trade with the Clippers?
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2022, 11:04:03 AM »

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bring home terrance mann!!

haha

it'd be nice
but i doubt lac moves him

whos to say what wall has left
jackson seems not great
george is scheduled to be injured again any minute
and even when healthy hes soft

if i was them i'd keep the mann around :)
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« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2022, 11:36:30 AM »

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I’ve been calling for Luke Kennard since before the trade deadline, and I’m going to continue to do so.  Rumor is he’s in the block, and despite Lawrence Frank’s protestations to the contrary, the rumor seems legit with the Clippers on track to be in excess of $40 million over the tax, due in part to the logjam at the guard and wing you’ve described.
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« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2022, 01:50:54 PM »

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Quote from: Celtics2021 on June 29, 2022, 11:36:30 AM
I’ve been calling for Luke Kennard since before the trade deadline, and I’m going to continue to do so.  Rumor is he’s in the block, and despite Lawrence Frank’s protestations to the contrary, the rumor seems legit with the Clippers on track to be in excess of $40 million over the tax, due in part to the logjam at the guard and wing you’ve described.

I know he can shoot the lights out, but isn’t Luke’s defense highly suspect? Not sure Ime would let him see the court.
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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2022, 01:58:56 PM »

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Quote from: Goldstar88 on June 29, 2022, 01:50:54 PM
Quote from: Celtics2021 on June 29, 2022, 11:36:30 AM
I’ve been calling for Luke Kennard since before the trade deadline, and I’m going to continue to do so.  Rumor is he’s in the block, and despite Lawrence Frank’s protestations to the contrary, the rumor seems legit with the Clippers on track to be in excess of $40 million over the tax, due in part to the logjam at the guard and wing you’ve described.

I know he can shoot the lights out, but isn’t Luke’s defense highly suspect? Not sure Ime would let him see the court.

He’s not a lockdown defender, but the Clippers were 3.8 points better defensively with him on the court than off.  I get there is a lot of noise in those numbers, but a highly suspect defender probably is going to have a negative on-off defense over nearly 2000 minutes, and not a reasonably positive one.

It’s not his strength, but he’s not a liability, or at least wasn’t last year.
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« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2022, 01:59:12 PM »

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Why Luke Kennard?

How do you look at that list and not want Norm Powell? He's a pretty good defender, and he can take people off the dribble as well as shoot over 40% for 3's. He's more money but he's way better than Kennard.
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« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2022, 02:04:42 PM »

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Quote from: td450 on June 29, 2022, 01:59:12 PM
Why Luke Kennard?

How do you look at that list and not want Norm Powell? He's a pretty good defender, and he can take people off the dribble as well as shoot over 40% for 3's. He's more money but he's way better than Kennard.

Because the Clippers just made a deadline deal for him trading their recent 1st round pick, and thus he’s less likely to be available than Kennard, whom he’s probably ahead of in the rotation for the reasons you describe.

Kennard is reportedly gettable, thus I want him.  Powell is not.
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« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2022, 02:19:54 PM »

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Quote from: Celtics2021 on June 29, 2022, 02:04:42 PM
Quote from: td450 on June 29, 2022, 01:59:12 PM
Why Luke Kennard?

How do you look at that list and not want Norm Powell? He's a pretty good defender, and he can take people off the dribble as well as shoot over 40% for 3's. He's more money but he's way better than Kennard.

Because the Clippers just made a deadline deal for him trading their recent 1st round pick, and thus he’s less likely to be available than Kennard, whom he’s probably ahead of in the rotation for the reasons you describe.

Kennard is reportedly gettable, thus I want him.  Powell is not.

I thought they included a 2nd rounder in that trade.

I get that, but things have changed. They have added Wall and probably are now more convinced Mann needs minutes too. He's kinda pricey for a team that is well stocked for that type of player. They dumped some serious junk out when they got him, and also got Covington, who is useful. That was part of it too.

I do agree they will probably give away Kennard, but we don't need another empty calorie rotation guy. We need someone who can win you a few quarters in a playoff series.

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« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2022, 02:30:03 PM »

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Send them Theis and Pritchard
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« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2022, 02:35:20 PM »

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G: J.Wall, R.Jackson
G: N.Powell, T.Mann
F: K.Leonard, L.Kennard
F: P.George, R.Covington, Marcus Morris
C: Zubac, (?)

Rotation looks pretty solid to me. Not sure they need to trade anyone. Should be enough minutes to go around there.

Edit: Ah, forgot Covington.

Okay, yeah. Either Covington, Morris or Kennard looks the odd man out to me.
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« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2022, 02:35:27 PM »

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Quote from: td450 on June 29, 2022, 02:19:54 PM
Quote from: Celtics2021 on June 29, 2022, 02:04:42 PM
Quote from: td450 on June 29, 2022, 01:59:12 PM
Why Luke Kennard?

How do you look at that list and not want Norm Powell? He's a pretty good defender, and he can take people off the dribble as well as shoot over 40% for 3's. He's more money but he's way better than Kennard.

Because the Clippers just made a deadline deal for him trading their recent 1st round pick, and thus he’s less likely to be available than Kennard, whom he’s probably ahead of in the rotation for the reasons you describe.

Kennard is reportedly gettable, thus I want him.  Powell is not.

I thought they included a 2nd rounder in that trade.

I get that, but things have changed. They have added Wall and probably are now more convinced Mann needs minutes too. He's kinda pricey for a team that is well stocked for that type of player. They dumped some serious junk out when they got him, and also got Covington, who is useful. That was part of it too.

I do agree they will probably give away Kennard, but we don't need another empty calorie rotation guy. We need someone who can win you a few quarters in a playoff series.

They sent Keon Johnson, who was their 1st round pick last June.

As to Kennard, I think you’re seriously underrating him.  He was arguably the Clippers best (healthy) player last year.  He took a big leap forward from earlier in his career.
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« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2022, 02:37:00 PM »

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Quote from: Who on June 29, 2022, 02:35:20 PM
G: J.Wall, R.Jackson
G: N.Powell, T.Mann
F: K.Leonard, L.Kennard
F: P.George, Marcus Morris
C: Zubac, (?)

Rotation looks pretty solid to me. Not sure they need to trade anyone. Should be enough minutes to go around there.

You’re missing that a) they also have Robert Covington, and b) are widely expect to resign Batum at somewhere in the $7-10 million range.
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« Reply #12 on: June 29, 2022, 03:50:15 PM »

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I would happily take Kennard. Adding the 26 year old, league leader in three point shooting would be huge. And, his defense isn't as bad as some are making it out to be.
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« Reply #13 on: June 29, 2022, 04:27:03 PM »

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I would take Kennard in a heartbeat. The price would likely not be that high beyond absorbing his salary into the Fournier exception, if LAC are indeed ready to move him.

2 years plus a team friendly option, and he's an absolutely elite shooter off the bench just entering his prime. No, he's not a star and has limitations, but that's about as good as it gets for a role player that would cost mostly $$$.

Theoretically we could do something like Theis + Nesmith and a future pick, if we were going to use the TPE separately, but that seems doubtful.

Maybe we should just go get Huerter and Kennard both, and scrap 2PT shots altogether =P
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« Reply #14 on: June 29, 2022, 04:33:56 PM »

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Quote from: Who on June 29, 2022, 02:35:20 PM
G: J.Wall, R.Jackson
G: N.Powell, T.Mann
F: K.Leonard, L.Kennard
F: P.George, R.Covington, Marcus Morris
C: Zubac, (?)

Rotation looks pretty solid to me. Not sure they need to trade anyone. Should be enough minutes to go around there.

Edit: Ah, forgot Covington.

Okay, yeah. Either Covington, Morris or Kennard looks the odd man out to me.

Kennard is definitely not a forward and Morris is not a 3rd stringer.
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