How about SGA as a fit?

[Csfan1984]

Lets first say he may not be available but if he was for me you go all in for this guy minus the Jays. SGA has always been an interesting player. He has had tremendous runs of filling up the box score in stretches. Hard to tell if either injury or tanking sidelines him more. He has size, speed, handles, passing and is a 35% 3pt shooter with Ts% of 57%. He is a complete player and a touch above the level of Brown for me. He is also turning 24 years old in July and signed for a while.

Keep in mind Al could give the C's some inside info and an idea on chemistry fit so if the team went for him his character would check out.

Due to his age SGA has to cost more than what Jrue Holiday went for. But he isn't a top 10 guy so you can't expect a Kawhi or AD level deal. I'd expect a third team to be in as well to maybe get OKC more long term assets. My best deal would be based on beating Holiday deal but not giving back the high picks or an all star that AD and Kawhi got teams. It's about volume and assets OKC can flip as they are still rebuilding. At the same time I'd push for fillers that could fit in some limited run like Favors and Maledon.

Players given for Holiday vs my offer for SGA
Bledsoe < Smart
Hill < White
RJ Hampton < GW

On picks Bucks gave two unprotected 1st and two future 1st swap rights. We would be doing

C's 2025 1st unprotected
C's 2027 1st unprotected
2028 1st swap rights behind Spurs.
A Third team's 1st and 2nd via salary dump into C's TPE.

(On this TPE trade, it may net an albatross of a dead weight contract and with a tax is equal to eating $35 million. Yet it allows the C's to better the pick package that netted Holiday. Let's just hope whoever C's take in can contribute along with the fillers)

There you have it. For me going all in on SGA is giving them

Smart, White, GW, three 1st, a 2nd, swap rights behind Spurs, and eating salary*
for
SGA, fillers (Maledon and Favors), and a third team's salary dump.

Without knowing the salary dump player leaves us with at least ...
Starters
SGA, Brown, Tatum, Al, TL
Bench
PP, Maledon, Nesmith, Favors, Theis.

Tell me if you go all in for SGA minus Jays? What deal would you offer if he was available?

[Moranis]

It will cost Brown.

[Csfan1984]

https://youtu.be/NbLZo5YRyXc

Because it has some plays with Al.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

If SGA is available, then absolutely yes. I'd probably be more willing to trade for him than Beal.

But I do not think he is available.

[Csfan1984]

It will cost Brown.

Too much of a side step if team dealt Brown. Also OKC has Giddey and Dort along with Brown being older. Brown doesn't make sense for them they would be flipping Brown or just keep SGA.

[johnnygreen]

This reminds me of a scene from the movie My Cousin Vinny:
   Judge Haller: That is a lucid, intelligent, well thought-out objection.
   Vinny Gambini: Thank you, Your Honor.
   Judge Haller: Overruled.

One big factor missing is that SGA is only 23, while Jrue Holiday at the time of that trade to Milwaukee was already 30. OKC would only consider trading SGA if either Jaylen or Jayson was part of the proposal.

[Cman]

it would be great to have SGA on the Celtics. I don't see how it can be done -- put differently, what's in it for OKC (would need to be a hefty return, likely involving Brown)? And, whatever the Cs can offer, is there a team that can offer more (yes)?

[Csfan1984]

This reminds me of a scene from the movie My Cousin Vinny:
   Judge Haller: That is a lucid, intelligent, well thought-out objection.
   Vinny Gambini: Thank you, Your Honor.
   Judge Haller: Overruled.

One big factor missing is that SGA is only 23, while Jrue Holiday at the time of that trade to Milwaukee was already 30. OKC would only consider trading SGA if either Jaylen or Jayson was part of the proposal.

The proposal is better than the Holiday deal in every way not equal to it. Also the Jays are older OKC is still rebuilding. Moving SGA is a means of securing more shots at a top 10 player and then rebuild off that guy. SGA is a top 20-30 player not a must hold onto guy. OKC needs to continue to rebuild or trade all their assets for a number one guy as SGA is a #2.

[Csfan1984]

it would be great to have SGA on the Celtics. I don't see how it can be done -- put differently, what's in it for OKC (would need to be a hefty return, likely involving Brown)? And, whatever the Cs can offer, is there a team that can offer more (yes)?

I actually think there aren't many teams that would offer more than the packaged I laid out. SGA isn't a top 10 guy to garner much more then the deal I have for him. It's four 1st and high level role players none over their prime. All are tradeable pieces to flip. This more about where OKC is as much as C's are. I've been looking at rosters, teams either have higher potential wings (that they would never part with) or high value pick teams that aren't in compete now positions to trade for SGA. Now you could say OKC should wait longer but that's always a tricky slope. As I mention how many games of tanking is SGA going to take before he demands a trade?

[Moranis]

it would be great to have SGA on the Celtics. I don't see how it can be done -- put differently, what's in it for OKC (would need to be a hefty return, likely involving Brown)? And, whatever the Cs can offer, is there a team that can offer more (yes)?

I actually think there aren't many teams that would offer more than the packaged I laid out. SGA isn't a top 10 guy to garner much more then the deal I have for him. It's four 1st and high level role players none over their prime. All are tradeable pieces to flip. This more about where OKC is as much as C's are. I've been looking at rosters, teams either have higher potential wings (that they would never part with) or high value pick teams that aren't in compete now positions to trade for SGA. Now you could say OKC should wait longer but that's always a tricky slope. As I mention how many games of tanking is SGA going to take before he demands a trade?

Without Brown then a team like Sacramento trading the 4th pick (and a player or two) just makes way more sense for OKC than taking on what you have from Boston.

Without Brown, OKC doesn't even pick up the phone.

[Csfan1984]

it would be great to have SGA on the Celtics. I don't see how it can be done -- put differently, what's in it for OKC (would need to be a hefty return, likely involving Brown)? And, whatever the Cs can offer, is there a team that can offer more (yes)?

I actually think there aren't many teams that would offer more than the packaged I laid out. SGA isn't a top 10 guy to garner much more then the deal I have for him. It's four 1st and high level role players none over their prime. All are tradeable pieces to flip. This more about where OKC is as much as C's are. I've been looking at rosters, teams either have higher potential wings (that they would never part with) or high value pick teams that aren't in compete now positions to trade for SGA. Now you could say OKC should wait longer but that's always a tricky slope. As I mention how many games of tanking is SGA going to take before he demands a trade?

Without Brown then a team like Sacramento trading the 4th pick (and a player or two) just makes way more sense for OKC than taking on what you have from Boston.

Without Brown, OKC doesn't even pick up the phone.

That makes sense for OKC but not the Kings. SGA and Fox are redundant.

Again Brown for SGA makes no sense for either team.

[Moranis]

it would be great to have SGA on the Celtics. I don't see how it can be done -- put differently, what's in it for OKC (would need to be a hefty return, likely involving Brown)? And, whatever the Cs can offer, is there a team that can offer more (yes)?

I actually think there aren't many teams that would offer more than the packaged I laid out. SGA isn't a top 10 guy to garner much more then the deal I have for him. It's four 1st and high level role players none over their prime. All are tradeable pieces to flip. This more about where OKC is as much as C's are. I've been looking at rosters, teams either have higher potential wings (that they would never part with) or high value pick teams that aren't in compete now positions to trade for SGA. Now you could say OKC should wait longer but that's always a tricky slope. As I mention how many games of tanking is SGA going to take before he demands a trade?

Without Brown then a team like Sacramento trading the 4th pick (and a player or two) just makes way more sense for OKC than taking on what you have from Boston.

Without Brown, OKC doesn't even pick up the phone.

That makes sense for OKC but not the Kings. SGA and Fox are redundant.

Again Brown for SGA makes no sense for either team.

Correct, which is why Boston and OKC won't be involved in a trade involving SGA.  Boston just doesn't have the assets to acquire someone like him without Brown, which makes no sense for Boston to do.

Also, I think Fox and SGA would be fine together. 

[Csfan1984]

it would be great to have SGA on the Celtics. I don't see how it can be done -- put differently, what's in it for OKC (would need to be a hefty return, likely involving Brown)? And, whatever the Cs can offer, is there a team that can offer more (yes)?

I actually think there aren't many teams that would offer more than the packaged I laid out. SGA isn't a top 10 guy to garner much more then the deal I have for him. It's four 1st and high level role players none over their prime. All are tradeable pieces to flip. This more about where OKC is as much as C's are. I've been looking at rosters, teams either have higher potential wings (that they would never part with) or high value pick teams that aren't in compete now positions to trade for SGA. Now you could say OKC should wait longer but that's always a tricky slope. As I mention how many games of tanking is SGA going to take before he demands a trade?

Without Brown then a team like Sacramento trading the 4th pick (and a player or two) just makes way more sense for OKC than taking on what you have from Boston.

Without Brown, OKC doesn't even pick up the phone.

That makes sense for OKC but not the Kings. SGA and Fox are redundant.

Again Brown for SGA makes no sense for either team.

Correct, which is why Boston and OKC won't be involved in a trade involving SGA.  Boston just doesn't have the assets to acquire someone like him without Brown, which makes no sense for Boston to do.

Also, I think Fox and SGA would be fine together.

Cleary I disagree. I think Smart, White, GW, a salary dump, a 2nd, and four first is more than enough for SGA. And if Kings feel Haliburton was redundant darn sure SGA would be. Kings need a elite wing.

[Who]

Subsequent trades of Smart and another of D White to contenders should net them another pair of 1st rounders. That would make 6 first round picks for SGA.

That is not a bad offer. That is in the realm of possibility to me.

The decision is whether they'd rather keep one of the two building blocks they have or keep loading up on future assets; I could see them going either way.

I'd do it if OKC would. Great deal for BOS.

[Csfan1984]

Subsequent trades of Smart and another of D White to contenders should net them another pair of 1st rounders. That would make 6 first round picks for SGA.

That is not a bad offer. That is in the realm of possibility to me.

The decision is whether they'd rather keep one of the two building blocks they have or keep loading up on future assets; I could see them going either way.

I'd do it if OKC would. Great deal for BOS.

The Thunder could maybe also flip GW for a 1st. GW looked good till the ECF and finals. He had a very good year overall and was huge in Bucks series. A playoff team should be willing to deal a 1st for GW. That's a possible seven 1st. That's a incredible haul. Max (Cedric Maxwell) once said, no player in the NBA is worth 4 first. This might be three more picks than that.